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Prove your religion or get the f~~~ out of here trying to claim it is true because you cannot show it thereby you don’t know it.
That’s funny coming from someone that BELIEVES in the big bang THEORY, and the THEORY of evolution when theirs literally NO concrete proof. In fact, there is concrete proof that the Vatican invented these concepts to control secular society and narcissistic self worshiping atheists. Repeat after me, “it evolved over millions and millions of years” “it evolved over millions and millions of years” “it evolved over millions and millions of years” “it evolved over millions and millions of years” “it evolved over millions and millions of years” “it evolved over millions and millions of years”
That’s why you believe in it. And why you don’t question it. Typical religious hypocrite.
AND… Apparently your reading skills need a little work. I do not believe in religion. Atheism is a religion that leaves people empty and angry. Notice how angry you are? You can’t even think coherently and read what I’ve stated 25 times.
I do not like religion. I am not religious like you. I believe the Bible is true and there isn’t a single story in the Bible that I have been able to prove a lie. In fact most are proven to have happened. I have faith, because I was not there, that Jesus Christ paid the penalty for me. That He took my place and that his blood being shed literally paid the debt for my sin. There is nothing I can do to be saved but believe. No good works, no religion, no church. Just faith. See, this actually contradicts religion.
It’s difficult debating fematheistatholic because they get so emotional and catty. Then they start twisting words, manipulating, and playing the victim while doling out passive aggressive attacks. Like calling someone a bigot. Or am I a misogynist bro?
The fact is atheism is a religion. It has it’s bible, the book of darwin, and all the government books you are forced to read and repeat for 18 years of your life. It has preachers like dawkins, and missionaries like bill nye the science guy, hahahahaha it’s actually funny you think atheism is not a religion… when in fact its just as religiously culty as the vatican.
It’s a little funny because the debate is exactly the same with a catholic, feminist, or atheist. You are all culty and religious. Read your Bibles men.
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That’s funny coming from someone that BELIEVES in the big bang THEORY, and the THEORY of evolution when theirs literally NO concrete proof. In fact,
Evolution has more evidence behind it then anything in the bible.
there is concrete proof that the Vatican invented these concepts to control secular society and narcissistic self worshiping atheists
Prove that Evolution and the Big bang theory are just Vatican made conspiracies then? If you make a positive assertion it is your obligation to prove it or i can just throw it out via hitchens razor.
That’s why you believe in it. And why you don’t question it.
When i have questions at least with science i will get answers with evidence to back it up over religion. When i say where is the evidence science goes and shows it when i say where is the evidence for religion you give me none outside of the Vatican creating the evil conspiracy to control us.
Atheism is a religion that leaves people empty and angry. Notice how angry you are?
What outside from the lack of belief in a God makes me an Atheist? i do not need to follow any popular Atheists nor do i even need to accept Evolution or the big bang in the slightest.
I do not need to go to any rally, protest, convention, speaking engagment, book signing, nor do i need to follow any dogma or creed to be an Atheist but in Christianity if you do not have faith in Jesus being born from a virgin, who preformed miracles and then died on the cross and rose from the dead then you will go to hell as that is required for the religion.
Now when it comes to anger, anger does disprove my argument evidence would. If evidence clearly shows X position is correct it does not matter how angry the person is because the evidence clearly shows position to be correct.
I believe the Bible is true
What in the bible can you actually show to be true without needing faith?
Lets relate this to mgtow for lurkers or even members here i only accepted mgtow as being true once the evidence showed that mgtow was true. Before i saw all the evidence in favor of mgtow i was in the mgtow philosophy i was not awake on the issue and i was not living my personal mission out (i was on the path to living the mission society wanted to not me).
I only got convinced about the hard reality of mgtow (mgtow is not all that simple to accept) once i gathered all the evidence which shows the mgtow conclusion are in fact generally correct. Mgtow for example is correct on topics like women, hypergamy and so many other issues to where there are some false beliefs in it (like the idea the 80-20 rule applies outside of women looking for marriage) it on a general basis is correct.
That He took my place and that his blood being shed literally paid the debt for my sin. There is nothing I can do to be saved but believe. No good works, no religion, no church. Just faith. See, this actually contradicts religion.
It is still a fixed belief, a dogma that must be maintained to obtain salvation under penalty of hellfire thereby still being a religion. You still must believe in God, You still require faith the only difference here is your belief on how you get into heaven (which is a common infighting among all religions).
It by definition still is religion.
It’s difficult debating fematheistatholic because they get so emotional and catty. Then they start twisting words, manipulating, and playing the victim while doling out passive aggressive attacks. Like calling someone a bigot. Or am I a misogynist bro?
Red herring as this contributes literally nothing to this argument.
If you are calling me a woman just look into my back catalog of posts and then talk to the members on here i have known for almost 2 years now (their online identities) hell if s~~~ ever came down to business i could back up that i am a man because i have evidence of it (born a man, have natural male genitalia, have multiple forms of ID that prove i am a man etc).
The fact is atheism is a religion. It has it’s bible, the book of darwin, and all the government books you are forced to read and repeat for 18 years of your life
You mean the origin of species which has some correct information but was surpassed in understanding when genetics and future findings came along and changed it?
I need not to worship that book to fall into the category of an Atheist and i do not need to even accept Evolution in the slightest.
It has preachers like dawkins, and missionaries like bill nye the science guy
Whom you do not have to adhere to or accept to be Atheists at all. I do not need to read Dawkins or agree with him on anything to be fall into the Atheist category none the less Bill Nye.
It’s a little funny because the debate is exactly the same with a catholic, feminist, or atheist. You are all culty and religious. Read your Bibles men.
Part of the reason i do not believe anymore is the bible.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
Romans 1:16-32 King James Version (KJV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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I’m an agnostic and an outsider in spite of being raised with church and religious schooling.
I think one of the main reasons that a lot of the younger generation is not interested in church anymore is that church leaders can’t just bluff their way through tough questions with BS anymore. There is a serious problem with trust.
A great example was a young neighbor of mine who quit going to church when he was in his late teens. Instead of being able to ask the pastor or other people in charge about tough questions, he ended up going to the Internet.
That was because if you persist in the wrong questions you often get labeled a troublemaker or come under other pressure to quit rocking the boat. I saw this in church when I was younger and it is a muchbigger problem than most people in the churches even want to admit.
I know I am not imagining it, because a pastor I got to know well (planning on having him over for Thanksgiving, I think of him as 80% MGTOW) told me that he had to fight with the deacons to back off and let the youth ask questions and even “push back” against him. I don’t have to agree with this man to respect him. He said it best:
“If they (youth) don’t get their answers from me or other elders, they will get them somewhere else like the Internet and they won’t come back.”
He’s a middle aged pastor older than me and he is calling the elders “old fogeys with their heads in the sand !”
And that young neighbor who quit going, what was the final straw for him ?
The church had a special guest “pastor” give a big lecture from the pulpit to preach the evils of Islam, telling all sort of insane stories and even impressing the flock with his fluent knowledge of Arabic.
That kid is from the Middle East, he immigrated with his family when he was 5 years old. He speaks fluent Arabic and knew the “pastor” didn’t the moment he opened his mouth. No one would listen to him or his parents about it because a “pastor” said it.
But these days, as my pastor friend points out, you might not have to know a word of Arabic to figure out they are lying.
Frank V.
PS: To make it clear: He told me it wasn’t that the “pastor” spoke Arabic badly, but that it was just pure gibberish that sounded nothing like Arabic.
I’m an agnostic and an outsider in spite of being raised with church and religious schooling.
I think one of the main reasons that a lot of the younger generation is not interested in church anymore is that church leaders can’t just bluff their way through tough questions with BS anymore. There is a serious problem with trust.
A great example was a young neighbor of mine who quit going to church when he was in his late teens. Instead of being able to ask the pastor or other people in charge about tough questions, he ended up going to the Internet.
That was because if you persist in the wrong questions you often get labeled a troublemaker or come under other pressure to quit rocking the boat. I saw this in church when I was younger and it is a muchbigger problem than most people in the churches even want to admit.
I know I am not imagining it, because a pastor I got to know well (planning on having him over for Thanksgiving, I think of him as 80% MGTOW) told me that he had to fight with the deacons to back off and let the youth ask questions and even “push back” against him. I don’t have to agree with this man to respect him. He said it best:
“If they (youth) don’t get their answers from me or other elders, they will get them somewhere else like the Internet and they won’t come back.”
He’s a middle aged pastor older than me and he is calling the elders “old fogeys with their heads in the sand !”
And that young neighbor who quit going, what was the final straw for him ?
The church had a special guest “pastor” give a big lecture from the pulpit to preach the evils of Islam, telling all sort of insane stories and even impressing the flock with his fluent knowledge of Arabic.
That kid is from the Middle East, he immigrated with his family when he was 5 years old. He speaks fluent Arabic and knew the “pastor” didn’t the moment he opened his mouth. No one would listen to him or his parents about it because a “pastor” said it.
But these days, as my pastor friend points out, you might not have to know a word of Arabic to figure out they are lying.
Frank V.
PS: To make it clear: He told me it wasn’t that the “pastor” spoke Arabic badly, but that it was just pure gibberish that sounded nothing like Arabic.
I’ve had the sheriff called on me by the local pastor of a baptist church for telling him this same s~~~. Atheism and religious people are in the same boat. They just don’t realize it. Listen to the Lyrics
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To Answer your question venom i would have to say religion in general will kinda die out in the united states and churches and such will just be monuments of what religion was during the time just like what greats pyramids are to us today. Just another history lesson of what it was. But it doesn’t mean it will die out as long as we keep some of it’s teaching such as morality, not killing others, always try to do the right thing and so forth. But just because you barley see anyone in church doesn’t mean there not religious, it just means sometimes they don’t have enough time to attend every Sunday or Every Mass. Have you ever notice there are more people who rarely attend church attend during major holidays such Easter Sunday, thanksgiving, during Christmas holidays so forth. Usually around family gathering. I work with a bunch of people who are very religious but don’t attend church just because of not enough time since there are always working.
As for religious believers in the government, i believe there will be religious millennial’s in government,
but they probably wont show it as much because its not good to recite to the bible if you work in politics.But i would also assume the reason why religion is slowly fading away in the united states is because rise of technology and science in the united states. we have more teachers teaching the new founding in science and technology than religion in general. Science in general always goes against religion. The younger generation would not think of god anymore.
For example:
An older man who is religious would say god created the universe. A straight forward answer.A younger man who is 20 would say no the universe started with the big bang where universe originated billions of years ago in an explosion from a single point of nearly infinite energy density.
For me i don’t think we need more religion in the united states in general since united states is a country were a lot of different religion exist.
Think rationally not emotionally
I think one of the main reasons that a lot of the younger generation is not interested in church anymore is that church leaders can’t just bluff their way through tough questions with BS anymore. There is a serious problem with trust.
The internet is far too big of a resource nowadays then it was in the past. In the past you did not have the internet thereby had very little in the way of testing apologist claims the minute the internet started Atheists got onto it and started disproving the arguments and that only grew as the internet expanded into common usage in the early 2000’s.
Apologists who have been bulls~~~ting people since the beginning of religion suddenly could not do so anymore as too many resources disprove them and their arguments as the ideas spread and right now any kid in church can easily look up the claims the apologist is making right there or once he gets home from church.
That was because if you persist in the wrong questions you often get labeled a troublemaker or come under other pressure to quit rocking the boat. I saw this in church when I was younger and it is a muchbigger problem than most people in the churches even want to admit.
The reason i never asked the pastors is i never wanted to be outed and i only went to one pastor (a guy at a summer camp one year who was probably the best Christian i have ever met who actually kept me anonymous).
But outside of that i never trusted anyone and i don’t want to be recommended to go to some religious s~~~ (like a pastor discussing with me why i am an Atheist as i would just get kicked out for it).
That kid is from the Middle East, he immigrated with his family when he was 5 years old. He speaks fluent Arabic and knew the “pastor” didn’t the moment he opened his mouth. No one would listen to him or his parents about it because a “pastor” said it.
I have one of me personally but when i was at a camp one year they had this guest preacher who some missionary who primarily focused on preaching to South American Indians without modern technology because of it as people in Europe do not readily accept the bible as uneducated Indians do (not in the wording of that but the general premise of it).
Hell i only knew one missionary who’s prime focus was in Europe the rest of them focused on Africa, South America, parts of the middle east and Haiti (this during the recovery from the earthquake) (it started 7 years go but was still going on 5).
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The church age will end period. I am a Christian and live inside my faith. Preachers and pastors from coast to coast failed to learn mans side of the law and fell for the 501c3 tax exempt state run charity scam.
A 501C3 status church is called a church but is really a charity created by the state for the benefit of the public.
Simple logic says that a church is created by a marriage to Jesus. The Bible says this.
The state run church is told to preach lies about the heavenly law above the nation. They have done this so long that people forgot that Man is doing God’s work.
They hate men because we stopped holding our government accountable by challenging earthly jurisdiction and using the Bible to win in court.
The heavenly law will prevail over earthly law but we will have to mark the public servants so they have a clear understanding that they are to protect and serve the rights of the private people. They falsely believe their authority comes from their corporate bosses. we will need to bankrupt the corporations that are ruling instead of serving.
what the state creates Jesus could not have.
Those who go to church are religious Bigots who would argue until the cows come home that we have to obey the government instead of keep them chained to the written constitution. They also would argue that faithful believing Christians who don’t attend a brick and mortar state run church are falling short of the requirement to get to heaven. The men of these so called churches are nothing more than selfish human beings deceiving the people every-time they utter these words “there is but one god” this forces you to accept their heavenly father and gives you no option to believe your own father went to heaven and you could choose his spirit to guide you..
People are chained to the belief that we have to share one god when the truth is by law you can only choose one god.
My earthly father’s spirit is alive in my heart hosted by Jesus and he is guiding me to teach the truth. I have every right to have my own beliefs but have found no church as of yet that will allow me to choose the heavenly spirit that does the lords work for me.. Many are called but few are chosen.
I have a right to interpret our laws in my favor for the protection of my rights. I claim a right to freedom of religion and interpret that to be the freedom to choose the heavenly spirit of my earthly father (who is dead in flesh but spiritually alive in my heart hosted by the one true living spiritual lord of hosts JESUS). Now to get to the heavenly domicile I consummated a heavenly marriage to the truth that is in my King, savior and now my husband Jesus Christ and as the bride I take my husbands last name which is christ. The (spirit of) dead in Christ shall rise. My church is now private created by the marriage and open to the public to attend but only faithful believers can become members of the church of my chosen God. having given myself over to my fathers spirit lock stock and flesh his spirit is self evidently my creator.
we hold these truths to be self evident that all man are created (not birthed) equal and endowed with certain Unalienable rights and among those are Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I claim as my right to pursue my happiness that it would make me happy to choose the spirit that can help me most..In my fathers spirit I should have standing in court to endorse with my fathers signature all the rights that I claim as long as this does not infringe on any other persons rights. I am a man of faith who will teach my fathers wisdom as he could only be alive in heaven I am teaching the knowledge of the one and only true living god for me. He is my heavenly father by self evident truth and he is the father in law to Jesus. I am only allowed one god by law and will not have some liars in state run churches replace my god the same way they replace my rights. I am a staunch supporter of religious freedom and agree that “there is but one God” is a true statement but deceptive. we all get a god but that is one god each..
The government has monopolized the christian faith the same way they take everything else by replacing it with their own impotent useless version..The Bible does not say obey the earthly authorities but says obey the earthly written laws. our duty is to keep government within the limits of the supreme law of the land. constitutional limits.
My earthly father’s spirit is guiding me to break the government monopoly on the Christian faith. My marriage to Jesus established my church in the temple (body)I have given to my chosen lord’s spirit. (my body is now my creators body) If there was but one God why would we need a lord over other lords? if only one King we need no king over all other kings. People can understand the truth easy enough but they cannot unchain themselves from all the deceptive teachings that go on in state run churches.. My ministry is based on respecting each others rights to our own beliefs. My lord Winston McKinney’s kingdom of heaven on earth has come I have inherited this kingdom from my father and established it as bring your own god kingdom. (BYOG) If anyone finds my beliefs offensive that is your problem because I am a self taught law scholar and have yet to find a case that upheld anyone’s right not to be offended. I find it offensive that so many fail to respect others rights to have beliefs that differ from their own. most of them are the ones who are attending church. Some of the meanest most disrespectful people are those who go to church religiously and call themselves Christians. Going to church is not what makes a person righteous and saying your religious tells me almost nothing about your moral character. ask anyone who attends the first church of Satan and they will tell you they are very religious. A drug addict takes drugs religiously.
I have a bowel movement once everyday and it brands me a religious crapper.
The only requirement to live in the kingdom of heaven is you must love everyone (even those who align themselves against you) and respect everyone (this includes respecting they may have beliefs that differ from yours) My earthly father who is now my heavenly father once said “Be respectful son because you only have to disrespect one, not every one, to be a disrespectful person.” and “rest assured that when you are standing before the lord at judgment day it will be that person you disrespected that steps up and asks “what are you gonna say now? you disrespectful person.”
young people have already figured out the churches are connected with the state. They are smarter than the older generations give them credit for. once a church obtains A 501C3 status (so the members can write off their tithes on their tax forms) from the state they are no longer a church
All 501C3s are charitable corporations and all corporations are created by the state and what the state creates Jesus could not have created..Be it known I have researched all this and the first church of Satan has a 501C3 status. Would you want a church you are attending to be yoked up with that organization?
Saturday is the sabbath and always will be. I agree that Sunday is the lords day because my Bible says it. The Bible says nothing about working on the lords day. I do not wish to cheat the lord out of a day of work so for me I will pull a double shift on Sunday from now on and get a 16 hour head start on those self righteous Bigots who look down their noses at me..Saturday will be my day of rest as it is the seventh day on the calendar.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
spiritual warfare for heavenly places. Heaven is a place where men live. earth is the only place men live.
Revelations says war will break out in heaven.
Common sense and logical deduction of truth.
Why argue against the truth and reveal yourself a fool.
Where does every preacher and pastor tell you to put Jesus?
Heaven is where the heart is.
My heart is on earth.
Heaven is the place you are most happy.
Its when you find that calling than no one can take from you.
Does anyone know another place where men live?
The kingdom of heaven on earth is a political domicile.
A jurisdictional refuge for those who’s personal identity has literally been stolen by governmental authorities and financial responsibility for debts created in government agencies are delegated on that identity until one has a legitimate claim that government has become hostile towards ones right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
It amounts to government claiming to be your god and owning your flesh. Your past present and future time of life and the product thereof. At this point if they cant convict you of a crime which is the only justification they have for taking anything from you, they will ask if you want to do good or bad and let you join their gang of criminals..Gods law the laws of nature and natures god.
our forefathers called it providence.
1 natural selection
2 survival of the fittest
3 might makes right
4 intellect rules ignorance forever.
The last one is most important
intellect=understanding
the people in positions of power know that heaven is on earth and believe they should rule for the simple reason they can fool everyone else into believing it is somewhere else or that you must die (literally) to get there.
Jurisdiction is not just a geographical thing.
My earthly father showed me the way in which I should go. His name is Winston McKinney and he died in 1999 so by self evident truth can only be alive in heaven. His spirit has chosen me to claim his kingdom of heaven on earth.
The father’s spirit in the flesh of his son is preparing a place for me..
This is the truth of things happening in my life.
I love and respect everyone on this earth and would never lie to you.
Intellect=understanding the simple truth
Jesus hosts the spirits of the ones we love forever,
immortality can only be a spiritual endeavor.
this is truth and void of any lies,
does anyone have evidence otherwise?
John 14:1-3
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.I am just a humble stonemason and self taught law scholar
My father’s spirit is my higher calling.
I tried to ignore it and live my life.
I have no free will anymore only his.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
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