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Correct, it doesn’t matter if you are religious or not. Religious faith is not a factor in your ability or willingness to forgive.
Forgive, yes.
Forget, no.You may have encountered those “let’s move forward” / “I just want to move forward” kind of people. They are of the mindset “yes, I know I behaved in an unjust manner, but I just want to move forward….”
No.
Holding a grudge or looking to get even is the equivalent of allowing someone to live in your head rent-free. This is unhealthy. However we NEED our scars. Scars are “sexy”. Sometimes even women will tell you that. Plus, it’s not the years, it’s the mileage, and mileage is good for you.
Does the act of forgiving require continued association?
No. Actions have consequences. If you – as a man – are required to accept personal responsibility even for wrongs you did not commit (i.e. paying child support for a kid that’s not yours, or being accused of “sexual harassment” when you never even showed interest) then the very least you must do, is end all contact. This should actually be expected.
Attention from a man is a GIFT. It is not something a woman is “owed”. Withdrawing that gift entirely is not a sign of ill feelings, or anger, or bitterness (even though women perceive it that way). It’s merely INDIFFERENCE. Not caring is not the same as treating women badly – no matter how much they bitch and moan about it and want attention back. You simply don’t care anymore. This is not to be confused with harboring ill feelings.
The consensus was that forgiving does not require continued association if the other party is un-repentant
And the consensus is absolutely right.
You are simply not required to give your attention to women.Let’s say indifference (not paying attention to her) = 0.
And she wants continued association, she is expecting a +1.
You are not required to give her +1. You never were.
Refusing to give her the +1 is not the same as -1 (or a negative).
You are simply denying her the +1 which she shouldn’t be expecting in the first place.
Just because a woman thinks you should give her a +1, doesn’t mean making it 0 is some kind of negative.
It’s just neutral.Zero.
Women perceive “zero” as a negative. Have you ever simply stopped paying attention to a woman? Have you ever just said “no” when she asked you for something (giving her no excuse or explanation – just “no”)? She will behave like you just treated her badly. Don’t reply to a text immediately? and she will ask you “what’s wrong”. Don’t call her on Feb 14th and then casually offer to spend time with her on Feb 15th, and she will behave like you’re a f~~~ing monster. Because she believe you OWE her that – simply because it says Feb 14th on the calendar. Women are so selfish with their expectations from men, the +1 is something they think they are owed. Just don’t give it to them ( maintain a neutral 0 ) and the whining, pouting, and accusations of “misogyny” starts.
A simple “no” to a woman when she wants something will actually generate a response like “you hate women!”. No, I just said no she can’t have what she wants. She should not have expected a “yes” in the first place. That’s not “hate”. Its just indifference. The fact that she expected an automatic “yes” is her own mistake.
This is not a man’s “bitterness” or problem. It’s hers.
The “ill feelings” she thinks you have for her are completely imagined in her head.MGTOW are effectively teaching women this basic math lesson by doing nothing. Through non-action. Maintaining a “zero”. There is no need to “hate” or “be bitter” (-1) because the non-action (and non-association) accomplishes that all on it’s own.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.When you are right, and believe it wholeheartedly that 1 + 1 = 2 …
you MUST NOT BUDGE or listen to people telling you that 1 + 1 = 3 while shaming you for being “angry” for not accepting that lie.That’s great advice. I’m going to practice on that, thanks.
Positive re-enforcement… this is why I come here… thanks Keyman
Sup guys. This will be my first post here. Was very impressed with how the website was put together.
When I saw “MGTOW Central” listed as a topic here I was a little apprehensive, because that’s the name of the pseudo-MGTOW forums over at AVF-femme. So I was very relieved to find that you have no affiliation with those guys. Man-only is the standard that was set from the beginning of humanity up until the feminist 60s, so that men could actually have intelligent conversations.On the topic of anger, we have a saying in my religion: “Perfection of one’s soul is made up of two parts. The first is love for righteousness. The second is hate towards evil. One is impotent without the other.”
Acceptance of evil is what got us in this situation. Women, like children, can be tolerable (barely) if you limit their ability to do harm.
Again, good job on the site. I’m glad MGTOWs have a place like this to hang out.
A neat trick, and I saw right through it.
“Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice”… as I looked him directly in the eye.
He couldn’t maintain the eye contact, didn’t know what to say to that, and his shaming attempt failed.“Injustice”? Who decides it’s injustice?
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Thank you @ezmgtow Means alot and very inspiring. We don’t have any problem changing “MGTOW Central” to let something else, just drop a request or suggestion any time. And did you just say…. AVF-Femme? I’ve never heard it put that way before!! +2 stars for creativity if I could. Hope to connect more with you. Feel free to drop an introduction (optional ! and only if inspired) to give an example of how you came to be EZMGTOW for the benefit of others. Thanks again for your thumbs up on the site. Much more ahead.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.“Injustice”? Who decides it’s injustice?
Anyone who knows the basic difference between right and wrong. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s not open for interpretation. You know the difference between “absolute truth” and “relative truth”, yes? Well there you go.
Just because something is LEGAL doesn’t make it RIGHT. The current “justice” system itself is largely based in relative truth. They cannot fight absolute truth. Absolute truth beats it every time. Theoretically, you can go into a court of law and prove this – and win – when armed with absolute truth , and providing the justice system honors it too.
But since the current “justice” system is corrupt, too often dishonorable, and the courts will only give you as much “justice” as you can afford…. deciding what is “justice” is now up to YOU and ME and US….. and as it were, nature and “god” himself. Whether you believe in “god” is even irrelevant. You know in your heart what justice is. And so does every slime ball attorney.
The truth can wait.. for it lives a long time.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Anyone who knows the basic difference between right and wrong. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s not open for interpretation. You know the difference between “absolute truth” and “relative truth”, yes? Well there you go.
We can not know the truth, because we can only see a limited scope of things. I suggest you watch water the great mystery and message with water on youtube. You can easily if it there. If you don’t believe that then do the rice experiment. These two videos show water has memory but also that things happen for a reason. This anger will in factor give off negative energy not just within your body but the surrounding area. In time it can do great harm to you. Maybe you will have bad luck or you will become ill. Things happen for a reason and usually it isn’t be chance. Even if it was by chance you can gain a lot of good from not getting angry because it will make changes your body. You may become more peaceful as time goes on, but it depends on number of factors. Nothing is set in stone, I still don’t know the truth and claim to know it because I’m still learning.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Am I to understand that you are suggesting a passive acceptance of evil and wrong doing so you don’t “upset yourself” or make yourself sick?
I would rather be dead. Thanks.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.We can not know the truth, because we can only see a limited scope of things. I suggest you watch water the great mystery and message with water on youtube. You can easily if it there. If you don’t believe that then do the rice experiment. These two videos show water has memory but also that things happen for a reason. This anger will in factor give off negative energy not just within your body but the surrounding area. In time it can do great harm to you. Maybe you will have bad luck or you will become ill. Things happen for a reason and usually it isn’t be chance. Even if it was by chance you can gain a lot of good from not getting angry because it will make changes your body. You may become more peaceful as time goes on, but it depends on number of factors. Nothing is set in stone, I still don’t know the truth and claim to know it because I’m still learning.
Water does not hold memory. Homeopathy has not held up to any scientific scrutiny and is therefore not a credible theory.
The reason you become ill from excessive anger has nothing to do with vibrations, but rather with stress. Stress was evolved as a survival mechanism by which non-vital bodily systems are suppressed in order to give aid to things like the brain and muscles. This is fight or flight mode. The problem is that we activate fight or flight levels of stress simply by going to work in the morning. Our systems were not designed for this.
Subjective morality. There is no greater philosophical threat to the maintenance of the human race than subjective morality. There actually exist people in the west who believe that if a Pakistani man murders his daughter in an “honor killing”, the ethics of his actions are unknowable. They believe it is ethically unknowable because that is the way of their religion, their culture; and we in the west cannot identify with them on that level so we have no say in whether or not the father acted morally.
This type of cultural and moral subjectivism should be fought tooth and nail. I will say here and now that ANY man who murders his daughter because she “dishonored” him has acted immorally. I don’t give a f~~~ about your religious or cultural history, you treat other people the way you would want to be treated. This is the golden rule that EVERYONE knows, this is objective morality.
Saying that we can’t know what justice is because we can only see a small portion of the wavelengths or because there are things out there that we don’t even know we don’t know, is a cop-out. If there wasn’t a moral code ingrained into our DNA, how did we manage to get this far as a species? Incest is immoral in all known societies, but why? Think about that one.
Lust for comfort suffocates the soul
That’s fascinating stuff.
This is fight or flight mode. The problem is that we activate fight or flight levels of stress simply by going to work in the morning. Our systems were not designed for this.
Will look deeper into that and watch vids.
Thanks for posting @vilenordIf you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Water does not hold memory. Homeopathy has not held up to any scientific scrutiny and is therefore not a credible theory.
Our science is limited. If you doubt what I say do the rice experiment. The theory is water clusters are arranged in a certain pattern. Science can not see this they see only the composition. According to the video the energy of the water was measured and the energy changed. Of course I don’t have anything to verify this.
Atoms vibrates and it can change vibration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_vibrations
Even in healthy stress is a big influence in disease. Stress is the major contributing fact in diseases.
Stress Contributes To Range Of Chronic Diseases, Review Shows http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071009164122.htm
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
The reason you become ill from excessive anger has nothing to do with vibrations, but rather with stress. Stress was evolved as a survival mechanism by which non-vital bodily systems are suppressed in order to give aid to things like the brain and muscles. This is fight or flight mode. The problem is that we activate fight or flight levels of stress simply by going to work in the morning. Our systems were not designed for this.
I’m assuming you’re talking about cortisol. Cortisol is usually highest after waking up, if wake up at 6 to 7 am it goes up between 8 to 9 am. Cortisol is necessary so that you can wake up in the morning. However chronic high levels of cortisol is actually harmful. Btw I wasn’t talking about homeopathic medicine. With this is actually taking a substance and diluting it. I’m talking about thoughts from the brain which is clearly different.
Here’s a link about cortisol and health effects. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/stress-management/in-depth/stress/art-20046037
Stress and cancer link
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265254.php
Have science been wrong before? Let’s see…….
Chemist Once Accused of ‘Quasi-Science’ Wins Nobel For Quasicrystal Discovery
It is funny how some people seem to think they know properties of water even when scientists actually admit to knowing very little about water.
“T
he quest to achieve an accurate description of liquid water
has produced major advances in the last two decades (1), yet
despite the construction of hundreds of model force fields for use
in simulations, the great advances in computational technology,
and the development of powerful
ab initio
molecular dynamics
methods, we remain unable to accurately calculate the properties
of liquid water (e.g., heat capacity, density, dielectric constant,
compressibility) over significant ranges in conditions (2). We do
not yet have a satisfactory molecular description of how a proton
moves in the liquid, we do not fully understand the molecular
nature of the surfaces of either ice or liquid water (3), nor do we
understand the origin of the intriguing anomalies and singulari-
ties found in the deeply supercooled region (4). Although it is
clear that the hydrogen bond network and its f luctuations and
rearrangement dynamics determine the properties of the liquid,
no experimental studies exist that reveal detailed information on
a molecular level without considerable interpretation (5). More-
over, the reliability of water models for simulating solvation
phenomena and biological processes remains relatively untested”http://www.pnas.org/content/98/19/10533.full.pdf
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
“Electromagnetic signals are produced by aqueous nanostructures derived from bacterial DNA sequences.
A novel property of DNA is described: the capacity of some bacterial DNA sequences to induce electromagnetic waves at high aqueous dilutions. It appears to be a resonance phenomenon triggered by the ambient electromagnetic background of very low frequency waves. The genomic DNA of most pathogenic bacteria contains sequences which are able to generate such signals. This opens the way to the development of highly sensitive detection system for chronic bacterial infections in human and animal diseases.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20640822
Sorry it’s already been proven scientifically water has memory at high dilution levels.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Thanks for the links!
Have science been wrong before?
A more accurate phrase would be to say that scientists have been wrong before. The scientific method’s only flaw is that it requires a human to apply it. This is why we must always remain skeptical. You can’t point to the findings of a singular study and say “there you go”.
1) Homeopathy. I was not aware of any scientific findings on the memory of water and this is why I mentioned it. Homeopathy is almost impossible to prove because of the risk of cross-contamination during the dilution phase.
2) The “absolute” truth of whether or not water has memory will never be known, we can only use science to say whether or not it is “true enough”. That being said, “true enough” has to be our standard for what constitutes fact. This is because, as you alluded to earlier, we can’t know everything.
3) I don’t give a f~~~ about homeopathy or cortisol compared to the topic of ethical relativism. The most important issue at hand is your supposed laissez-faire attitude towards ethics. Where is your rebuttal?
Lust for comfort suffocates the soul
1) I already pointed out a study proving it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20640822
2) Modern science is limited, science has gone backwards not forwards. When I mean science I’m mean the method and the scientist at hand. It means science as a whole.3) So what’s your resolution? Stay hateful and angry? How is that going to resolve anything? You have inner thinkings of a so called philosopher Stefan Molyneux. He teaches the same stuff hate people, don’t forgive. But you know plenty of listeners have called in and wonder how to resolve the issue. Because not forgiving the person who have done you harm. This means they are still haunted by these memories. If you doubt this go to free domain radio.
In fact the person who harmed you some way, physically, verbally etc. They are probably getting their justice. In both Christianity and Buddhism is taught about this. Buddhism talks about karma and Christianity talks about eye for an eye and reap what you sow. Buddhism talks about rebirth and humans had many previous human life and it very likely a person has harmed others. So what happens now is a result of hurting others in the past. In many cases these people got their justice. If you fight back then they will have to suffer.
With high levels of ethics and morals one should be above an average person. If you get angry or want to fight back you have dropped to their level. It’s your business if you want to be an average ordinary person. If you want to beyond an average person you will have to put a lot effort. Just like other things in life it takes more effort and time.
Also people who get constantly angry are no better than animals. Animals are vicious and get angry easily. Man are suppose to better smart than animals.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@crazycanuck
1) Maybe I was too cryptic in my last post. I already ceded to the debate about water memory. I’m not interested enough in it to do the research necessary to facilitate a proper intellectual discussion. The scientific paper you keep linking to is unavailable to me anyway as I am not willing to pay for the whole paper nor do I have access to a university library.
2) What proof do you have that science has gone backwards? Science has done nothing but grow since the enlightenment. The problem with science today isn’t science itself but the fact that we have done all the “easy” science already. Its a lot harder to get funding today than it was 50 years ago because the government has “better” things to do with tax money than fund “all this theoretical science stuff”. They gutted NASA, this is proof enough. Despite all this, science is still being done, and being done correctly.
3) Maybe I wasn’t clear enough with my question because you have made the assumption that I am an angry “animal-like” man. I am the most docile person I know. I probably average about 30 minutes of anger a year. Here is the bit that started the whole thing:
Keymaster said:
Anyone who knows the basic difference between right and wrong. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s not open for interpretation. You know the difference between “absolute truth” and “relative truth”, yes? Well there you go.
You replied:
We can not know the truth, because we can only see a limited scope of things.
Your response implied that you maintain a philosophy of ethical relativism. From Wikipedia:
Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it.
I am no hypocrite so I will plainly state that any man who holds any of the above mentioned forms of ethical relativism is a man who is mistaken about the nature of humanity. I cannot tolerate this as it is detrimental to the fabric of society. If there is no objective morality, if there is no “ethical truth” as you earlier claimed, then man is free to act on his animal urges with moral impunity.
Having an objective view of morality is not an automatic path to eternal anger, it is simply the knowledge of what is morally right and what is morally wrong behavior.
So my question to you is……Do you or do you not subscribe to the philosophy of ethical relativism?
Lust for comfort suffocates the soul
Anyone who knows the basic difference between right and wrong. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s not open for interpretation. You know the difference between “absolute truth” and “relative truth”, yes? Well there you go.
Let’ see there was a lot of injustice to women. I remember plenty of guys having no problems using women for sex.
The “injustice” when I first came to Canada without knowing how to speak a word of English I attacked by “white boys” because I was a different color. A lot of “white boys” and have beaten me. If I was angry all about that I wouldn’t be here I would be a feminists laughing that the white men would go down a whole. Not one girl physically harmed while growing up it was all males.
Honestly if I thought like that I surely wouldn’t be here. It wasn’t to attack you I do wish you see the light. I dislike watch people suffering. Even with just my experiences and observations I have come to this conclusion. I’m going to end it now since it’s upsetting people. I’m not going to push anything on people. I apologize if I upset anyone on here that’s not my goal.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
<cite>@crazycanuck said:</cite>
Let’ see there was a lot of injustice to women. I remember plenty of guys having no problems using women for sex.The “injustice” when I first came to Canada without knowing how to speak a word of English I attacked by “white boys” because I was a different color. A lot of “white boys” and have beaten me. If I was angry all about that I wouldn’t be here I would be a feminists laughing that the white men would go down a whole. Not one girl physically harmed while growing up it was all males.
Honestly if I thought like that I surely wouldn’t be here. It wasn’t to attack you I do wish you see the light. I dislike watch people suffering. Even with just my experiences and observations I have come to this conclusion. I’m going to end it now since it’s upsetting people. I’m not going to push anything on people. I apologize if I upset anyone on here that’s not my goal.
You didn’t upset me, I just wanted to know what your moral philosophy was. I don’t think you are stupid or anything, so far the people I have talked to on this forum are all pretty smart people, some of them are downright MENSA level smart. I did not know that English wasn’t your first language and I tend to use a lot of obscure words so there might be a language barrier. I don’t mean to sound like an asshole.
The fact that you can see “injustice” is all that matters. There are some people who think that “injustice” doesn’t exist. I’m glad to hear that you are not one of these people.
Lust for comfort suffocates the soul
Let’ see there was a lot of injustice to women. I remember plenty of guys having no problems using women for sex.
OK stop. NO. You can’t “use a woman for sex”. That’s bulls~~~.
Consensual sex only happens when a woman WANTS it to.
He didn’t “take” anything from her that she didn’t willingly GIVE him.That’s a basic concept every MGTOW must understand. Even every girl who goes on a date should f~~~ing understand it. If he sleeps with her and doesn’t call again … it doesn’t mean he “used her for sex”. IT MEANS HE DOESN”T LIKE HER. And it’s in exactly the same way that a man can’t say he was “used” for his money. She didn’t take it out of his wallet. He took her out for dinner thinking it would get him laid.
HIS mistake. And it’s a big one.
The “injustice” is when she deliberately misrepresents herself as a loving wife even before the wedding…. or gets married under the guise of “love”. That’s like a Golddigger claiming she was “used for sex” because a PUA said “hello I’m a Doctor”.
Consider the fundamentals of something before making a blind statement.
Then discuss the fundamentals and then battle them out if you don’t agree.
But thoughtless comments like “men use women for sex” are exactly what I would expect from a woman.Ever woman who ever said that out loud needs to be told – from a man:
“NO, sweetheart. You were not “used”. HE JUST DOESN’T LIKE YOU. Accept it.”(Not attacking. Just tough love.)
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.- AuthorPosts
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