We expect way too much!

[Anonymous 3]

Scott7 wrote:

That is ‘nature,’ it’s often very harsh and unforgiving and you can’t change that.

We expect too much these days.

There are two sides for ever coin.

Its against my nature, but for sake of argument:
If my wife does not sex me as much as I want can I beat the crap out of her?

I don’t see how I could get away with it.

Even if I said it was “my nature” to use my physical superiority to get my “darwinian evolutionary” urges fulfilled, I still could not get away with it.

And I don’t think women would make any excuses and say they where “expecting to much” from me.

No.

I would get no leniency.

I would go to jail.

Now flip the coin again.

How many women would go to jail for domestic violence?

We expect to much, we expect equality and impartial justice. We get “feminism”, that is the domination of women over men.

[OldBillParticipant]

Scott7 wrote:

Alright I will tell you all tomorrow what is really going on.

You’ll tell us the truth tomorrow? Okay…

Let’s keep an eye on this one, brothers. Claims about “secret” knowledge and conspiracy theories are suspect enough, but claiming that men expect too much and that there is some ultimate side to women we’ve all overlooked is ringing my alarm bells.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Scott7 wrote:

The only theory expounded elsewhere that I know of is that it’s all a corporate plot to divide men and women, a theory I personally disagree with.

You can disagree all you like, but its’ really not an opinion.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

Scott7 wrote:

Alright I will tell you all tomorrow what is really going on.

Good of you.

I’m sure we’ll hang on every word…..or maybe I shouldn’t expect too much.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Scott7 wrote:

I would appreciate any links to this forum that explain anything.

Sure, here you go.
Mgtow.com Forums

If you research and read, many questions will be answered.

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[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Jan better get his money ready by tomorrow )))

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 25]

Men never expected enough from women. That’s why they are the entitled, selfish manipulative creates they now are.

Women have managed to be the first species on this planet that have managed to be so vile that it has overridden natures biological urges to such an extent that over 17,000 of that species (men) have turned their back on them.

That’s how far women have descended

[Anonymous 1]

OP tells me I expect too much from women – I actually expect better behaviour and loyalty from my dogs.

If you really have any suggestions as to how I could possibly set the bar any lower, i’m all ears.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Scott7 wrote:

I find all of your lack of understanding regarding how societies develop to be unfortunate.

Get f~~~ed.

You come in here, make some blatantly false claims based on your own ignorance and misunderstanding of social behavior and natural selection, and you get rightly spanked for it.

Then you come crawling back all butthurt with this, “you all lack understanding,” bulls~~~, pretending to have some sort of secret wisdom?

Really?

REALLY?

Go try that pretentious childish s~~~ somewhere else, because it won’t work here.

[RennieParticipant]

I don’t care if it’s “their nature”. They aren’t incapable of overriding it, they’re just too lazy and our expectations of them are pretty simple, but as usual they manage to make everything more complicated than it needs to be.

[Anonymous 3]

I expect nothing from women.

That is why I refuse anything to do with them in a society that insists they are my equals and should have power and authority over me, and said society is completely obsessed with punishing me at all times for anything these alleged “equals” do and screw up.

My problem isn’t and has never been women.

It is the government and the stupid mangina white knights. Take them all out of the picture, and women of the next generations will be fine. The current women are too far gone and have ruined themselves, and if they want to blame anyone, they have those blue pill men to blame. I will agree with them, and then point out it’s not fair that I would have to take the fall for these men, and that’s just how life works. Let them direct their rage where it truly belongs.

The government has screwed everything up like it always does. Absolutely everything the government touches it ruins. Housing, banking, health care, education, student loans and yes gender relations. There is not a THING this government can do correctly. It has been this way for several decades now. My understanding goes back to the 70s, but probably it’s further than that. Some of my friends blame Woodrow Wilson all the way back in the early 1900s to start this mess. And these are some smart men that know better than me.

The US is a lost cause, there is no fixing it. We as MGTOW only seek to survive. No point wasting energy on something that is not salvageable. I suspect I’ll be out of the US within 10-20 years anyway if things continue this path. Sad as it’s the only nation I’ve ever known, it’s where I’ve grown up, and at one point I truly loved and was sure it was the best nation on the planet possibly in all of world history. But I can’t say that anymore. Perhaps the greatness of the US is what attracted all these psychopaths bent on destroying it, but somewhere along the way men that were charged with defending this nation failed in their duty, and so now we have what we have. And I just don’t see any way of fixing it.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Rennie wrote:

and our expectations of them are pretty simple

Our expectations are beyond simple. Each one can be summed up with a “not”.

We expect them to NOT be greedy bitches.

We expect them to NOT ram a mile of c~~~ into them before demanding a full price marriage.

We expect them to NOT violate their wedding vows.

We expect them to NOT financially rape a man for life with divorce.

We expect them to NOT have children by other men and then demand we pay for those children who are none of ours.

We expect them to NOT get pregnant our of wedlock and dump the cost of their spawn on us, the taxpayers.

And so on.

Seriously, how hard is it to NOT do something? All a woman has to do to NOT cheat on her husband is… nothing. All a woman has to do to NOT create another hungry welfare mount for the taxpayer to feed is… nothing. How f~~~ing hard is it to do… nothing?

And yet they can’t even do that.

How the f~~~ is that “too much”?

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

sidecar wrote:

Our expectations are beyond simple. Each one can be summed up with a “not”.
We expect them to NOT be greedy bitches.
We expect them to NOT ram a mile of c~~~ into them before demanding a full price marriage.
We expect them to NOT violate their wedding vows.
We expect them to NOT rape a man for life with divorce.
We expect them to NOT have children by other men and then demand we pay for those children who are none of ours.
And so on.
Seriously, how hard is it to NOT do something? all a woman has to do to NOT cheat on her husband is… nothing. And yet they can’t even do that.
How the f~~~ is that “too much”?

+20

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Who is this “we”?
Do not arbitrarily include me in the corner of your group of perceived allies thank you very much.

Personally, I should be able to expect “reasonable” to be the absolute bare minimum starting condition of any interactions with any “gender” of my species. That is hardly expecting too much.
Where it goes from there is situationally dependent.

I can not, nor will not lower my standards any further to accommodate people who will not bring themselves up to the absolute minimum standard of reasonable interpersonal discourse.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Anonymous 0]

+1 for each post on this thread EXCEPT the OP. Being new to this site and asking loaded questions is DEFINITELY TUNA behaviour but I’m not going to press the C~~~ Button because this looks like it could be fun.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

It’s true, I expect nothing of women because they offer nothing of any value to give. I don’t think it was ever different except in certain sects like Jews and Muslims who separate the sexes at parties, a habit I highly admire.

How low can you go? I’ve seen women do some weird ass s~~~ if power in the relationship is offered.
“I’ll give you a blow job after a nice dinner out” is a common point of negotiation in any society that has ever developed to our knowledge.

Don’t give me that we don’t think of the causes bulls~~~ because we do, though the reasons are entirely unimportant. Like measuring the location of an earthquake center after the quake leveled LA.

Women are not men. They are significantly genetically different from men and cohabitation with one can only lead to conflict and a life of heart ache.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Scott7 wrote:

I find all of your lack of understanding regarding how societies develop to be unfortunate.

No one is asking ‘why’ these societal developments are happening , why wommen are behaving badly and men reacting in this way. No awareness of the unconscious motivations, collective or otherwise, of society.

Why? Why? Why?
Why is the sky blue?
Why is water wet?
Why are women behaving badly?

The answer is simple. It is the same for all.

Because it has always been that way and it always will be that way.

The sky is what it is
Water is what it is
Women are what they are

The fun begins when a woman knows that you know that she is a devil.

They are a devil because that is how they were made.

Your question is false hustle. Hurry back

Peace brothers

[experiencedParticipant]

OldBill wrote:

Scott7 wrote:

Men expect too much.

No, definitely not. The majority of men expect very little, yet women are unable to meet even that.

MGTOWs and other Red Pill types wisely expect nothing from women. That’s why women never disappoint us.

Agreed, and: I might add, to the OP, “Don’t flatter yourself; to us, you do not exist.”

Freeman_K wrote:

Scott7 wrote:

There is no unconditional love as there is between a parent and child and a man and his dog.

The relationship between men and women is darwinian warfare and now it is outright warfare.

This I agree.

But I dont agree that we expect too much. Traditional society knew about nature of male and female and kept females in check with societal consequences of hypergamy.

Once this old contract is broken, hypergamy unchecked and you go girl goes through life divorce raping people, well the deal is simply off. Off the f~~~ing table.

I understand that we as a gender are seriously devalued and manginas and white knights have lowered the bar so much even middle expectations seem to me horrible. And just to illustrate, today i saw this example of market value when beta cucks are involved, i dont know if this is true but probably is:

That, looking from evolutionary perspective is as dumb as it gets and for them to even get this idea shows how much balance is off. Just some 50 years ago this wacko would bring shame to whole family, destined to a life of single motherhood, kid a bastard, her life would be practically over. Now, she is tinder star. So no, men dont expect too much.

So MGTOW.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

In this day and age, Western men only expect women not to betray them to the family court, teach their children and family to hate him, have a false DV accusation to sent him to jail.

Married men cannot expect sex from women anymore because it will be rape. Cannot expect to do the household chores because it will be misogynist. Cannot expect to keep his own money nor time to spend on himself.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Well, it looks like @scott7 is already a spectator. I was kind of wanting to see how he’d (?) try to back up his (?) bulls~~~.

@keymaster: Did he (?) send you a private message or something complaining about the lack of safe spaces here?

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