Watch out for the RPR. Be Stoic, gents.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

OldBill wrote:

DarkKenshi wrote:

I’ve been reading a lot on stoicism…

Then you will have read that stoicism doesn’t teach one to deny or suppress emotions. Stoicism is about understanding and accepting one’s emotions.

Feeling rage isn’t a “failure” of any kind. Giving into that rage, never examining it, cherishing it, never moving past it, that’s where the failure occurs.

Ready for the quote? “If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.” – Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

Stoicism teaches us that emotions only have what value we assign to them. It’s not a failure to have emotions, it’s a only failure when we fail to examine those emotions.

well, I’ve never spoke about suppressing them, I spoke about letting it cool off, even if you have to stay away from the source of your rage for a while, just so you meditate and understand why you got enraged.

I mean, getting enraged without knowing the reason, like Marcus Aurelius said and that you quoted, Bill, this is a failure. Give in to our emotions is not bad, but to not be able to calmly take a reflection on why have you experienced it, at that moment, seeing the value (or lack of it) that the emotion had at that time, is the path of being a stoic.

In that, (I will not try to quote, because I don’t remember the exact words), when someone dies, for example, Seneca (I think it was him) said that grieving and mourning were not bad, but wallowing in it is, because as everything in this world that you have no power to change, you should accept that it happened and endure it.

Therefore, I accept my anger, but I give my best to understand the validity of it in all moments, and if my anger is not justified in any way or form, other than my own attachment to that thing, then I try my best to endure it and just keep my cool when it happens again.

Correct me if I am wrong, because that is how I learn.
Specially from people ahead on the curve like you!

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

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Hitman wrote:

i have nothing to say that 57 didn’t cover.

Second that. If that is not a red pill I do not know what is.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

MarketWatcher wrote:

Second that. If that is not a red pill I do not know what is.

It is. I would say that what 7 said is the strongest red pill I’ve seen from a long time.

But still… What lies beyond the red pill? What is the next step, after the red pill and going MGTOW?

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I generally admire the stoic approach but it does raise questions… particularly at the extremes/edges.

I wonder how it works for the men who have been divorce-raped so bad they are homeless or are locked in an cycle of being sent to jail for non-payment that they can’t escape from.

It IS possible to find oneself in a position from which you cannot unf~~~ yourself. No-win scenarios do occur.

For those people, I wonder what is the point of them enduring.

Some people when faced with rigged and unfair and unpalatable situations, run like Hans Mills did. (He ran to the Philippines)

Other people, like the slaves Nat Turner and Spartacus, chose to revolt (with a likelihood of dying in battle with the authorities) rather than remain slaves.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Ranger One wrote:

I generally admire the stoic approach but it does raise questions… particularly at the extremes/edges.

I wonder how it works for the men who have been divorce-raped so bad they are homeless or are locked in an cycle of being sent to jail for non-payment that they can’t escape from.

To that, I ask you: What can they achieve if they revolt, like Spartacus, or run, like Hans?
You are already neck deep into the s~~~, so, which is the only way to escape from it?

The only extreme/edge that I can understand, is when someone cannot accept or cannot endure what happened, and will remain a long time trying to deal with something that has almost 0% chances of having a solution.

But still, I never said “do not fight”. Passivity is not the mark of the Stoics, quite the contrary! When and if you can do something, that may end the vice or change something, then by all means do it!

But, if you cannot do anything to change that, what other option do you have, that is not to endure it and keep waiting for the moment to end the vice to come?

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[MonkParticipant 17004]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

What is the next step, after the red pill and going MGTOW?

The freedom to choose.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Monk wrote:

DarkKenshi wrote:

What is the next step, after the red pill and going MGTOW?

The freedom to choose.

By going MGTOW, you already have that.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

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