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Anonymous42Ohhh I can’t wait.
All I know is I will never be hungry.
You see canibalism sounds good to me.
Carnage, man, you’re thinking all wrong!
Fertilizer (bone-meal)! Bio fuel (fat)! Recycle!
Chickens, turkeys, and especially pigs eat spoiling meat!
Why eat the nasty s~~~ when you can eat the good s~~~ that ate the nasty s~~~ in the first place?
Think man THINK!
I don’t understand what the big problem with this is….
genuine ignorance and if someone can be bothered to explain it to me, that would be great thanks
You have almost all nations telling Trump not to do it. It will causes political ramifications. Look into it a bit. It is considered a bad idea, which is why it is said to not do it. There are issues with Jerusalem, and it being divided, which relates to it.
Its all about the oil.
There are two reasons why we are involved in the middle east.
1) access to cheap oil.
2) maintaining the petro-dollar.
The USA likes cheap oil. If middle east stops selling oil the USA has enough oil and gas to stay alive, but it will be expensive. 30.00 for a gallon… ouch.
America is reaching exporter status. Driving up the price of oil causes American oil industry here, to end up making more money and stabilize. OPEC was trying to get everyone to cut production, due to how much oil is out of there. They were going to try kill off the U.S Shale oil production, but found that didn’t work.
It’s about Jared Kushner being tribal.
That can be part of it. But Chuck Schumer says he advised Trump to go with a unified Jerusalem, and declare Jerusalem as Israel’s capital:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363465-schumer-advised-trump-on-declaring-jerusalem-as-israels-capitalSo yes, more Chuck Schumer involved.
Other nations don’t go there, and have their embassy in Jerusalem, for security reasons. Trump is doing this to secure a section of his base, which is both Zionist Jews and evangelical Christians, who see being nice to Jewish people, and supporting Jewish people (so you win them as converts to Jesus, and so Jesus will return). Not all Jewish people are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism is the belief that Jewish people should have their own homeland, and the default position is Israel. I would say that Muslim equivalent would be the call for a caliphate.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I can’t really offer comment because right now I don’t know enough about the ins and outs but with regards to the Jews I have long held this belief;
If I belonged to a race of people that others had tried to erase altogether, sending most of my ancestors into ovens and effectively throwing us out of the countries we called home, forcing us back to a land the bible says belongs to us I think I might just be a bit of a war monger.
I never judge the Jews even tho the are mental. Because in historical terms World War Two happened yesterday.
Is this post appropriate to this thread? I don’t know.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
If they go ahead and build it, it might even rival the US embassy in Baghdad, currently the biggest embassy in the world. Enjoy busting your ass to pay taxes to build this monster.
We weren’t even allowed to drive past the Baggers embassy, and its inside the Green Zone!
I can’t really offer comment because right now I don’t know enough about the ins and outs but with regards to the Jews I have long held this belief;
If I belonged to a race of people that others had tried to erase altogether, sending most of my ancestors into ovens and effectively throwing us out of the countries we called home, forcing us back to a land the bible says belongs to us I think I might just be a bit of a war monger.
I never judge the Jews even tho the are mental. Because in historical terms World War Two happened yesterday.
Is this post appropriate to this thread? I don’t know.
You can judge the activities of the government of Israel, and their allies in the US government, without judging “Jews” as a whole group.
They (Israel) shouldn’t get a free pass to misbehave because of what Hitler did to European Jews 75 years ago. ‘Anti-semitism’ is a lazy cop out for those seeking to invalidate criticism of the crimes of the Israeli government.
Many concerned people detest both the policies of Nazi Germany AND Israel. Even if the Nazis were much worse by comparison, the geography and demographics of the middle east make the Israeli crimes potentially more damaging to all people in the region and beyond.
This definitely has nothing to do with oil. The US imports refined oil but exports crude oil. The only reason we import oil is because we don’t have enough refineries for all of our crude oil. That’s why increasing domestic oil drilling doesn’t drive down gas prices. We’re just exporting the extra oil anyway.
As for the Jerusalem vs Tel Aviv argument, I’m not sure what it gains us. We’re pleasing a country we’re already allies with and p~~~ing off a whole lot of people who already don’t like us. Not saying whether it’s right or wrong, I just don’t see the end goal.
Jackie: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.I can’t really offer comment because right now I don’t know enough about the ins and outs but with regards to the Jews I have long held this belief;
If I belonged to a race of people that others had tried to erase altogether, sending most of my ancestors into ovens and effectively throwing us out of the countries we called home, forcing us back to a land the bible says belongs to us I think I might just be a bit of a war monger.
I never judge the Jews even tho the are mental. Because in historical terms World War Two happened yesterday.
Is this post appropriate to this thread? I don’t know.
You can judge the activities of the government of Israel, and their allies in the US government, without judging “Jews” as a whole group.
They (Israel) shouldn’t get a free pass to misbehave because of what Hitler did to European Jews 75 years ago. ‘Anti-semitism’ is a lazy cop out for those seeking to invalidate criticism of the crimes of the Israeli government.
Many concerned people detest both the policies of Nazi Germany AND Israel. Even if the Nazis were much worse by comparison, the geography and demographics of the middle east make the Israeli crimes potentially more damaging to all people in the region and beyond.
I agree Cu. I am not saying I condone it. But I think I understand the mindset.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
It’s like a collective form of PTSD whereby one of the symptom stops is wrecklessness.
A nihilistic outlook. A collective eradication of an entire race can cause Cultural PTSD.
WW2 is two generations ago so enough people alive today were either there or are the children of those who were there. What’s they went through will alter their mindset completely.
I might be wrong.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous14It’s about Jared Kushner being tribal.
Bingo. When he was a kid he had to literally give up his bed for Netanyahu when he came to visit. No s~~~, do your homework. Trump is nothing more than another Israeli/Jewish puppet.
Once again, all this Russia phobia is Israeli/Jewish born. Israel wants everyone around them DEAD that are allies with Iran. And they have been using, and getting what they want out of the U.S. for decades now.
Kushner is Kissinger 2.0, these two guys got more presidential s~~~ on their forearms than Soros, Netanyahu or any other Jewish influence of all time from being the puppetmasters that they are.
Kushner
F~~~ that f~~~~~. I would beat that pathetic cuck to a pulp in a street fight.
Trump is nothing more than another Israeli/Jewish puppet.
Joe, I have been telling you that President Trump moves many steps ahead.
I am listening to President Trump’s speech right now. He is very clear about why he is doing this. He states that new approaches need to be taken towards problems. He is letting things come to a head now instead of kicking the can down the road. This is actually good because it removes the status quo in Israel and the Middle East.
President Trump is forcing the issue now.
It’s like a collective form of PTSD whereby one of the symptom stops is wrecklessness.
A nihilistic outlook. A collective eradication of an entire race can cause Cultural PTSD.
WW2 is two generations ago so enough people alive today were either there or are the children of those who were there. What’s they went through will alter their mindset completely.
I might be wrong.
Then why aren’t Armenians pushing people around, they were genocided by the Turks? Same for the millions Stalin deliberately starved to death in the Ukrainian famine. Native Americans were genocided in both continents north and south. French Huguenots? English Catholics? Tibetans by China?
I’ve said it before, after sex our favourite pastime as a species is genocide. Why is one small but extremely powerful (political let’s not forget) group more special than these and all the other genocides that have happened since early homo sapiens split into competing tribes?
If that’s the Israeli mindset then the Arabs might be justified in their kill or be killed stance. I know if I was a Palestinian I’d hate Israel with enough passion to kill them. Jews do not have a monopoly on sympathy or feeling hard done by.
Jews have been persecuted everywhere they’ve been. You could read a biblical reason into that, but that would be beyond harsh. Some of their historical – and no doubt present -leaders and thinkers and theologians think they are the chosen people. They were until Anno Domini, then the goyim took up the baton, when the Jews dropped it in front of Pontius Pilate. History backs the Gospel, and it has been used against Jews all over Christendom and into the new world ever since.
Jews have been expelled officially from virtually every country, living or past, they’ve ever dispersed to. There’s more going on there than pure bigotry, its more grey than black and white.
Doesn’t mean anti-semitism is acceptable or even logical today, but f~~~ Zionists and f~~~ those settlers, they’re breaking the rules and America let’s them. The Arabs aren’t stupid, they can see how America plays the world’s moral police, while at the same time allowing their little pals to flout every rule the international community votes onto them. Its hypocrisy from what should be the leading example of good in the world – the USA.
This embassy goes ahead and the west will be even more under threat from crazy Muslims, in our own homes. Why is it so important? Ask Kushner and his Israeli handlers, they’re pulling all the strings.
Anonymous14Then why aren’t Armenians pushing people around, they were genocided by the Turks? Same for the millions Stalin deliberately starved to death in the Ukrainian famine. Native Americans were genocided in both continents north and south. French Huguenots? English Catholics? Tibetans by China?
Yep, playing the victim card to victimize more people is not a sound argument, and this is what Jews/Israel have been doing for a long time now.
If that’s the Israeli mindset then the Arabs might be justified in their kill or be killed stance.
The plans for Israel were draw up at the end of World War I, during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
For six hundred years the Ottoman Empire had been a threat to Europe.
The British and other allies after World War I divided up the middle east to prevent the Ottoman Empire from reforming.
The likely British idea behind Israel was to send the jews to the middle east as a nation to be a political throne in the side of the arabs to help prevent the Ottoman Empire from reforming, while Israel would be a puppet state which the British would control from the shadows.
At the end of World War II, this plan went sideways on the British when the jews decided to take control of Israel from the British, push out the locals, and use their new sovereignty powers to the fullest.
What President Trump has done today is actually good for both the Israeli and Palestinian people. The current situation is a police state which allows the governments of the two nations to more harshly control their populations.
Peace between Israel and Palestine means it will be harder to justify the police state the two governments have over their people. Also, this would make it harder to justify receiving foreign aid from other nations.
President Trump in his speech supported the “two state” solution. President Trump even mentioned “bodies of water” in his speech. The disagreement on water access is what prevented the agreement in the between the Israelis and the Palestinians in the 1990’s.
In addition, the U.S. moving its embassy to Jerusalem means the embassy would be closer to that Palestinians, allowing the Palestinian officials better chance to speak with the U.S. officials of the future embassy in Jerusalem.
What President Trump is doing is not bowing down to Israel, but he is standing up for the people of the middle east.
Trump is nothing more than another Israeli/Jewish puppet.
Joe, I have been telling you that President Trump moves many steps ahead.
I am listening to President Trump’s speech right now. He is very clear about why he is doing this. He states that new approaches need to be taken towards problems. He is letting things come to a head now instead of kicking the can down the road. This is actually good because it removes the status quo in Israel and the Middle East.
President Trump is forcing the issue now.
I just don’t read it like that. This will be a big mistake, I hope I’m wrong, but I’ve spent enough time around Arabs to know how the average Ali in Baghdad or Cairo will take this news.
Jerusalem is a volcanic plug on top of a super sized volcano. Many Arabs were getting fed up with the Palestinians, getting all matey with Israel; then Bush goes after the most westernized leader in the ME, for what? WMD!? Oil!?! Lol, even the handful of Scuds Saddam got launched before ‘Shock and Awe’ missed by miles.
The more I look down the rabbit hole of the Arab/Israeli conflict the more the good guy/bad guy narrative doesn’t hold up.
The Arab nations are imploding one by one, who gains by that most? When did it start?
Devilishly good long game being played.The Israeli/US relationship in one picture:
“Who run Bartertown?”
What President Trump is doing is not bowing down to Israel, but he is standing up for the people of the middle east.
Spot on, Faust. Great post.
It’s like a collective form of PTSD whereby one of the symptom stops is wrecklessness.
A nihilistic outlook. A collective eradication of an entire race can cause Cultural PTSD.
WW2 is two generations ago so enough people alive today were either there or are the children of those who were there. What’s they went through will alter their mindset completely.
I might be wrong.
Then why aren’t Armenians pushing people around, they were genocided by the Turks? Same for the millions Stalin deliberately starved to death in the Ukrainian famine. Native Americans were genocided in both continents north and south. French Huguenots? English Catholics? Tibetans by China?
I’ve said it before, after sex our favourite pastime as a species is genocide. Why is one small but extremely powerful (political let’s not forget) group more special than these and all the other genocides that have happened since early homo sapiens split into competing tribes?
If that’s the Israeli mindset then the Arabs might be justified in their kill or be killed stance. I know if I was a Palestinian I’d hate Israel with enough passion to kill them. Jews do not have a monopoly on sympathy or feeling hard done by.
Jews have been persecuted everywhere they’ve been. You could read a biblical reason into that, but that would be beyond harsh. Some of their historical – and no doubt present -leaders and thinkers and theologians think they are the chosen people. They were until Anno Domini, then the goyim took up the baton, when the Jews dropped it in front of Pontius Pilate. History backs the Gospel, and it has been used against Jews all over Christendom and into the new world ever since.
Jews have been expelled officially from virtually every country, living or past, they’ve ever dispersed to. There’s more going on there than pure bigotry, its more grey than black and white.
Doesn’t mean anti-semitism is acceptable or even logical today, but f~~~ Zionists and f~~~ those settlers, they’re breaking the rules and America let’s them. The Arabs aren’t stupid, they can see how America plays the world’s moral police, while at the same time allowing their little pals to flout every rule the international community votes onto them. Its hypocrisy from what should be the leading example of good in the world – the USA.
This embassy goes ahead and the west will be even more under threat from crazy Muslims, in our own homes. Why is it so important? Ask Kushner and his Israeli handlers, they’re pulling all the strings.
I’m thinking.
It’s the method Cu.
An industrialised concerted effort to erase a people.
That did not happen elsewhere in the same determined manner.North America – settlers did not set out to kill the native Americans in the manner that things ended up.
When it came to the Jews they wanted them dead. Not elsewhere but dead.
And the fact that they have a,ways been the race that has been persecuted only adds to that nihilistic mindset.
I have,more to add but need to think.Added to this is the fact that the Jews were told they had no home. So they returned to Israel. Because they had nowhere else.
Then add 60years of indoctrination.
I emphasise – I am not condoning what they do. I just understand the mindset.
I would be a warmonger.Teach them war – get a war monger.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
If that’s the Israeli mindset then the Arabs might be justified in their kill or be killed stance.
The plans for Israel were draw up at the end of World War I, during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
For six hundred years the Ottoman Empire had been a threat to Europe.
The British and other allies after World War I divided up the middle east to prevent the Ottoman Empire from reforming.
The likely British idea behind Israel was to send the jews to the middle east as a nation to be a political throne in the side of the arabs to help prevent the Ottoman Empire from reforming, while Israel would be a puppet state which the British would control from the shadows.
At the end of World War II, this plan went sideways on the British when the jews decided to take control of Israel from the British, push out the locals, and use their new sovereignty powers to the fullest.
What President Trump has done today is actually good for both the Israeli and Palestinian people. The current situation is a police state which allows the governments of the two nations to more harshly control their populations.
Peace between Israel and Palestine means it will be harder to justify the police state the two governments have over their people. Also, this would make it harder to justify receiving foreign aid from other nations.
President Trump in his speech supported the “two state” solution. President Trump even mentioned how “bodies of water” in his speech. The disagreement on water access is what prevented the agreement in the between the Israelis and the Palestinians in the 1990’s.
In addition, the U.S. moving its embassy to Jerusalem means the embassy would be closer to that Palestinians, allowing the Palestinian officials better chance to speak with the U.S. officials of the future embassy in Jerusalem.
What President Trump is doing is not bowing down to Israel, but he is standing up for the people of the middle east.
Sykes/Picot was a disaster. The British used the Arabs to drive out the Turk, then drew idiotic lines in the desert and took a big slice of pie along with the incompetent and absent French. It was a big a calamity as the crusades. TE Lawrence left Damascus broken hearted because of it, and knew the peace wouldnt last. The Hashemites were booted out of the Hejaz and the Al Saud family got in there, Iraq didn’t last under King Faisal, and only Jordan was a comparative success.
The Jews did to the British in 1946 what Hamas are doing to Israel in each intifada. Its a monumental f~~~ up.
I hope someone around Trump knows all this s~~~, because I know all the Arabs know their history.
Trump isn’t in charge.
The generals are.If he made a wreckless decision he is removed.
We all know that.No one person hold ‘the button’.
An elected ‘administrator’ has no military understanding.
Government administer.
Military RULE.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Sykes/Picot was a disaster. The British used the Arabs to drive out the Turk, then drew idiotic lines in the desert and took a big slice of pie along with the incompetent and absent French. It was a big a calamity as the crusades. TE Lawrence left Damascus broken hearted because of it, and knew the peace wouldnt last. The Hashemites were booted out of the Hejaz and the Al Saud family got in there, Iraq didn’t last under King Faisal, and only Jordan was a comparative success.
One cannot overstate how much of a f~~~ up the Allies post World War I actions were.
The Jews did to the British in 1946 what Hamas are doing to Israel in each intifada. Its a monumental f~~~ up.
To say the least. The British being bitter after Israel gained its sovereignty from the British, the actions by the British lead to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, which created much of the s~~~show today which is currently Israeli/Palestinian issue.
I hope someone around Trump knows all this s~~~, because I know all the Arabs know their history.
I am hoping the Arabs realize that what President Trump is doing will be beneficial to them in the long run.
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