The MGTOW.com Sandman Jet Fighter Welcome Video has been stricken

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Smacktalk73 wrote:

I completely relate to the anger and horror in the voice of whoever was doing the commentary (Keymaster?  Or someone else?)

It was MGTOWMessenger.

I connected with him through MGHOW ShiningLight on Google+. We were totally unaware that our Sandman introduction was so poorly timed. Watched his video and it had the one key ingredient that none of Sandman’s has: PASSION. I listened to this man and shuddered on the other end. It’s enough to shake you to the core. None of sandman 250+ videos come close to looking into the soul like that.

There is much to be said about containing your emotions and maintaining a level head but MGTOW is no place for that. Sandman may maintain a very natural and detached delivery, but MGTOW men are not interested in keeping up appearances. You can do that in the workplace. You can drone away to avoid conflicts and friction in your everyday life. But MGTOW is where a man will be permitted to throw the f~~~ing gloves off and tell it like it is in order to make his point – and he WILL be heard.

Still don’t consider him “ostracized”. A pilot doesn’t have to die when his plane goes down. We’ve said our bit and so did MGTOW Messenger. That’s the end of it for the moment. We’re more p~~~ed off about the invested effort, energy and time to create something we were proud of – only to have to pull it.

Smacktalk73 wrote:

I don’t like the idea of never hearing his analysis again.

We originally called the piece (and graphic) “Sandman is History” … but we quickly changed it to “Sandman is Down” less than an hour later. It’s a different message and not as absolute. We really didn’t mean “history”, and that’s why we changed it.

Sandman is very much around and will probably continue to be. Flying too high into the upper atmosphere has brought men down before by their own hand, but they didn’t necessarily die. So he got knocked down and lost his $30 million dollar aircraft…. and he had to deal with some tough love. Live and learn.

He could turn it around for himself and nobody is trying to tell you you can’t listen to him anymore.
We have no intention of pulling Sandman’s videos off our site or anything.

We are Men Going Our Own Way. And he’s going his.
But it’s our duty to stick up for the underdog.

MGTOWMessenger is MGTOW of the Day on our homepage today.

As soon as he saw what lengths we went though and the stance we took, he joined our site immediately and said “Just subscribed to your channel. A true MGTOW channel. I will spread your message. Keep up the good work brother!” was about the gist of it. That’s a member worth having. His passionate delivery and message is a essential addition to the MGTOW archives.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

A Sandman video comes along every day, but the the mgtow messenger video don’t get made often enough. This was very well done.

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@Total Lee: I Total Lee agree 🙂 MGTOW Messenger’s videos have more passion and substance than any of Sandman’s fluff. Even Raging Golden Eagle makes better videos than Sandman. Sandman is just a better marketer. I’ve been following YouTube MGTOWs for a long time now. How did I miss MGTOW Messenger’s channel? I watched a few of his videos yesterday and am now subscribed to his channel.

 

I unsubscribed from Sandman around the time he started making daily videos. He was pretty juvenile (still is to the day) and contradicts himself regularly. One other thing the sneaky bastard is good at is weaseling his way out of sticky situations he puts himself in. This time around, he’s dragging Lui Marco into this by saying he was attacking celibate MGTOWs who were giving Lui a hard time for dating. Does the retard think that his justification is valid and would fly?

 

Yes, he’ll continue to be around and will always have his groupies who pay no attention to his contradictions and logical fallacies whilst being glued on to the pretty pictures displayed.

 

I’m glad to have discovered MGTOW Messenger. I’ll look forward to his new videos.

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[d-fensParticipant 18]

You guys take all this way too seriously. I watched this dudes youtube video once i think and i did not find it interesting at all. As some other member pointed out he appeared to be  a juvenile, smug, know-it-all guy. So whatever he said, his personality was off putting very much, so i didn’t watch his videos. I however did enjoy that radio broadcasters recordings – while i did not agree with all his assessments and he seemed sometimes unnecessarily cruel to some female call-ins – he was at least entertaining.

So bottom line – who cares what some random dude on the internet says. As the saying goes “Arguing on the internet is like running at the special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded”. Don’t become some dogmatic idiot, that is what feminists are for. Chill out, share your experiences and have a take or leave it stance. Me, i read this stuff do get the most out of it for myself, i do not care what others think, and therefore i don’t want to convert them. If you feel offended by what this guy said, i think you need to reevaluate your position.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

d-fens wrote:

You guys take all this way too seriously.

Taking it seriously is a requirement for being here in the first place. If we didn’t care, we wouldn’t care… the website wouldn’t exist either. We would be spending our weekends on a beach instead. Know what I mean?

Besides… the fighter jet thing is not actually “too serious”, it’s kinda fun!
Some other of Sandman’s die hards are taking it too seriously though.
Some of them who sent hateful comments…. WOW. Now that’s taking it too seriously.

d-fens wrote:

“Arguing on the internet is like running at the special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded”

That’s just bulls~~~ said by someone with an internet connection who can’t make point.

When you’re right on the internet, you’re still right.
Being on the internet doesn’t invalidate a point.

I don’t know when it started that some people imply everything on the internet is wrong and invalid – just because it’s on the internet. “Oh, you found that on the internet? OMG you’re so retarded”. You know who else says that? Mostly women. They sign up on dating sites and then creep shame the guys on dating site that reach out to meet them. “OMG I can’t tell p-eople I met you on the internet. How do I know you’re not a stalker creep?”. That’s a woman on the internet. Everyone else is a stupid stalker creep…. except her.

These are the same women who read Twilight, watch the View and diddle their clits while reading 50 Shades of Rape … and they think it’s hot-‘n-sexy when a dead vampire sneaks into her house at night to watch her sleep.

… but you being on the internet makes you f~~~ing stalker creep.

Don’t know about you, but I’ve seen & read more truth on the internet than I ever heard anyone say out loud in life.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

I gotcha, Keymaster.  I had a conversation about men’s issues with my sister this morning where I sounded almost exactly like MGTOWMessenger in that video.  She kept telling me to “calm down” because while my message was true, my tone might alienate people.

But the fact is getting emotional is used against men at every turn.  Yet women can freak out, over a damn spider or a dress not fitting, and everyone says “what’s wrong?”

I appreciate the ability to get upset, and to give the room to say “just because you’re upset doesn’t mean I’m threatened.”   So yeah, I get that.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

I never subscribed to Sandman in the first place. I listened to a couple of his videos but it always sounded like he was reading a teleprompter. People who read teleprompters generally just speak words that other people have prepared for them.

Having watched the video posted at the beginning of this thread, Sandman is reaping what he has sown. Using feminine shaming tactics against MGTOW makes him absolute anathema. Not a loss for me, but I feel bad for you guys who had actually put some effort into supporting him.

[natsarim.mgtowParticipant 17]

 come up to canada we will hide you…  called on the carpet can be a good thing, take your beating and learn.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Vector Viking wrote:

I never subscribed to Sandman in the first place. I listened to a couple of his videos but it always sounded like he was reading a teleprompter. People who read teleprompters generally just speak words that other people have prepared for them. Having watched the video posted at the beginning of this thread, Sandman is reaping what he has sown. Using feminine shaming tactics against MGTOW makes him absolute anathema. Not a loss for me, but I feel bad for you guys who had actually put some effort into supporting him.

He was trying to deliver like he was on a radio program but without having a convincing radio voice.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[RoyDalParticipant]

In regards to MGTOWMessenger, I subscribed right away. He’s a good ‘un. I also sent his link to some MGTOW pals of mine.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[d-fensParticipant 18]

That’s just bulls~~~ said by someone with an internet connection who can’t make point.

When you’re right on the internet, you’re still right.
Being on the internet doesn’t invalidate a point.

Hi, of course you are right with that, but that is not what i meant. I think the point with that quote is, that it is usually not worth it to get overly emotionally invested in an “internet” argument, because the personal impact is fairly low, regardless of the outcome. Basically what i meant to say is “don’t get personally offended by some person on the internet, because if you disagree, there is ultimately no impact for you”. That does not mean of course that you can’t have a civilized argument on the internet. I just think it is not worth it to get emotionally concerned, because for both sides of the arguments there are usually no consequences.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

I don’t really give a f~~~ about what Sandman was talking about and what he said, I’ve watched a few of his vids that was linked to me from a fellow MGTOW but what gives me the s~~~s about that tosser was that he was taking donations to talk about those topics, then turns around and s~~~s on all his previous donators and calls it a day.

Thats a dick move especially that money was involved, in it for coin not to give advice.

I give s~~~ advice but at least its free not like that c~~~.

[ArchRaphaelParticipant 4]

My biggest problem with Sandman’s “Monks of MGTOW” video is that he’s using shaming tactics. I mean, really?

For me, MGTOW is exactly what it says on the tin. Go your own way. And the websites / blogs / youtube videos and so on are all means of getting awareness to the masses. Or providing a safe haven for MGTOWs to speak freely without having to pick and choose what’s acceptable to say.

Even if somebody was to commit the most heinous of MGTOW sins ((Getting married)), I like to think that people would accept that after the initial shock of “Are you drugged? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? Are the courts forcing you to do it?” since, if a MGTOW man decides to get married, he must find that the rewards are worth the risk. I, personally, do not. But that’s his way, not mine.

I most certainly do not think that if the above scenario were to occur, MGTOW men would be shaming the one who decided to take the risk. And yet that is exactly what Sandman is saying. That MGTOW “Monks” are the equivalent of 4chan’s oldf~~s, but turned up to 11. He says he doesn’t want people defining what is acceptable and what is not for a MGTOW, and then goes on to do that exact thing.

Perhaps I didn’t receive his message properly, but it almost sounds like Sandman is trying to equate MGTOW to being the herd. That we are a cult, or a religion, or any number of things that even he knows not to be the case, as seen by previous videos. While I was listening to his “Monks of MGTOW”, the only thing I could think of is “Does he even know what MGTOW is?”

Well, that was a mini rant. Apologies. Just annoys me how someone who seems to be one of the most highly regarded (Or at least he was before this little fiasco) would miss the mark so completely. Then again I could be wrong.

[Anonymous 42]

This is my interpretation of what he did; notice the audience, notice sandman.

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

Good point Solid Snake.  Dick move indeed.  Like I said, I voted with my feet and unsubscribed.  MGTOW Messenger spoke from his soul.  I appreciate that, and I subscribed to his channel.  Hope to hear more from him.  Futhermore, I have just watched the  Mayor of Mgtown video where he is helping out homeless men in his area.  I also sent him some money a while back for that project.  He makes me proud.

BVC

 

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[FangParticipant 102]

I actually learned, or relearned, an important lesson from this Sandman unpleasantness: trust your instincts! When I’m teaching personal defense tactics I don’t care if I’m teaching civilian or police I keep repeating “Listen to your instincts! If that little voice in your head is telling you something is wrong then something is wrong!”

I subscribed to Sandman because of his alleged dedication to MGTOW. I watched 2-3 of his videos, was completely underwhelmed and quit watching. That little voice was telling me something was wrong but I ignored it and didn’t unsubscribe. I see now what that voice was saying.

[Anonymous 0]

Fang wrote:

That little voice was telling me something was wrong but I ignored

That sounds familiar. The inner voice is always present and want to be heart. I also ignored it too often and hindsight I just could regret.

I think a good lesson when this happens is to look back and think intensivley about it and figure it out. Always telling myself listen to this voice, in case of doubt I stop everything I am just doing in this moment. I also do it when I did listen to that voice and I got lucky because I did. I thank this voice, I honor it.

Carpe Noctem!!!

[Anonymous 1]

Just saw this video this morning:

I have the impression that the guy’s arguments on this video sound a lot like Sandman’s latest videos when he keeps saying that there are no “real men” left in society.

See guys? If you don’t sacrifice yourselves you are not a real man!

I know this is an argument (more like a shaming tactic really) everybody is familiar with, but it still amazes me when I see a man(gina) saying this king of stuff with a straight face. How these people can’t see the absurdity of this, is beyond me.

Cheers guys.

[Anonymous 9]

I can write my legibly write my name in the snow with p~~~. I am a real man.

I would give up my seat on a crowded bus to a woman or a man if they were older than me. I am a real man.

I feel. I am a real man.

I bleed. I am a real man.

I can put myself in another persons shoes. I am a real man.

I live within my means. I am a real man.

I have a goal to seek happiness. Whatever comes along during the quest, I’ll accept. I might complain, but will accept. I am a real man.

I have been a White Knight and mangina.  I am a real man.

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@BadKan Who is that pussy mangina piece of s~~~ in that video? Sitting around with 4 women telling them EXACTLY what they want to hear.

SMH.

We should take that video, respond to it and then send it back to Fox. What a disgrace. I cannot believe there was a time when I would allow that kind of programming to seep into my living room. But thanks for bringing it for the utter fraud that it is.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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