The Alien Conspiracy Thread

[QuellParticipant 2538]

I sometimes like to go down that rabbit hole in regards to aliens/ghosts. Lots of conspiracies and theories out there. Not sure how much I believe but it’s kind of fun to speculate.

The most famous excerpt out there is known as the Serpo Letters. Below are some links about the Ebens or often known as the Grays. The Ebens are apparently the ones who crashed at Roswell and have given a book to the US Government called – The Yellow Book.

This Yellow Book contains all of the information about the Ebens and the known universe. Words appear out of nowhere and you must read all at once otherwise you have to start over again.

Below is a link with a Full PDF of all of the Releases about what’s in the yellow book including Eben alien history and technology.

Letter #1 – http://www.serpo.org/release1.php

Full PDF of All 36 Letters – http://www.serpo.org/Serpo_releases_with_commentary.pdf

Information About the Yellow Book – http://thenightsky.org/yellow.html

Serpo was estimated to be about three billion years old. The two suns were about five billion years old, but only by estimation.

The Eben civilization was estimated to be about 10,000 years old. They evolved from another planet, not on Serpo. The original home planet of the Ebens was threatened with extreme volcanic activity. The Ebens had to relocate to Serpo in order to protect their civilization. This occurred some 5,000 years ago.

The Ebens had a great interplanetary battle with another race about 3,000 years ago. The Ebens lost many thousands in their battle. The Ebens completely eliminated all of their enemies. The Ebens have never fought another war since. The Ebens have been space travelers for the past 2,000 years. The Ebens first visited Earth about 2,000 years ago.

Why does the Eben population number only about 650,000? The Ebens have a very stable, structured civilization. Each male has a mate. They are allowed to reproduce (in somewhat the same sexual way we do), but are limited to only a specific number of children. Our team never saw a family with more than two children.

The Eben civilization was so structured that they planned the birth of each and every child, spacing them apart to allow the proper social grouping of the civilization. Eben children matured at a super rate, compared to Earth children. Our team watched live births, attended to by an Eben doctor, and then watched the development of the child over a period of time, team member’s time. They matured at an alarming rate.

The Ebens had scientists, doctors and technicians. There was one educational facility on the planet. If one was chosen, you attended the facility and learned the job one was best qualified and suited for. Although it was extremely difficult to judge or measure, the team estimated each Eben’s IQ to be 165.

The Ebens had no single ruler. There was a “Council of Governors,” which the team named. This group controlled every single action on the planet. The members of the council seemed to have been around for a long time. Since Ebens didn’t age – or at least our team couldn’t detect aging – it was difficult to judge the age of each member.

There were about 100 different villages or living locations for the Ebens. The Ebens only used a small portion of their planet. They did mine minerals in remote areas of the planet and had a large industrial plant in the southern portion of the planet near a body of water. Our team determined this plant had some sort of hydroelectrical operation.

The Ebens developed a different type of electrical and propulsion system. It was unknown to our team and I don’t think we ever really understood it. They were able to tap into a vacuum and bring back an enormous amount of energy from that vacuum.

Our team’s living quarters, which consisted of several small buildings, contained electricity powered by a small box. This small box supplied all the power our team needed. Ironically, the electrical equipment our team brought on the trip worked using their power source only.

Ebens did die. Our team members saw deaths, some from accidents and some from natural causes. The Ebens buried the bodies, similar to our method. Our team saw two air accidents involving their intra-planet flying vehicle.

The Ebens worshipped a Supreme Being. It appeared to be some sort of diety relating to the Universe. They conducted daily services, normally at the end of the first work period. They had a building or church they entered to worship.

Our team left Earth in a large Eben spacecraft and flew to Serpo in approximately nine months by our team’s measurement of time. Upon our team’s return, they traveled on a newer Eben craft. The time, estimated by our team for the return, was seven months.

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

well its an interesting read. But the obvious question is: if they have only been space traveling for the last 2000 years how did they leave their planet for another planet 5000 years ago?

Stark inconsistencies generally have the effect of undermining the credibility of the story. Mind you I’m not disputing the existence of extra-terrestrials; I’ve had my own close encounter once many years ago so there is no doubt “someone” with an extraordinary advanced technology exists and is visiting the earth. but who they are and what they want is a mystery.

Given human nature and human history the best thing these aliens can do is leave. We are a violent and predatory species–our dominance of the planet is proof enough of that fact. So they had better look but don’t touch.

[Anonymous 8]

Fascinating, I’ll read the Yellow Book documents later on. Thanks for sharing them Quell.

There was a man named Martyn Stubbs in Vancouver, B.C. who managed a TV cable station, he was given permission to do what he wanted with one of the antennae and discovered unencrypted NASA transmissions, which he proceeded to tape. He collected something like 1400 hours of footage spanning three different missions. There is some fascinating footage and a documentary about the whole episode and the UFOlogists later efforts to get NASA to answer some questions about the tapes.

I have not personally seen any compelling evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life, however the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

At any rate it’s an interesting subject.

PistolPete wrote:

I’ve had my own close encounter once many years ago so there is no doubt “someone” with an extraordinary advanced technology exists and is visiting the earth. but who they are and what they want is a mystery.

I would like to hear more. There’s a good joke about diddling here but I don’t wanna get my hands dirty.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Funny, I was visiting my parents today and this is the only time I watch TV. I put on Ancient Aliens on H2, its always good for hoots.

The episode was about the Annunaki, the gods of ancient Sumeria. They showed the ziggurat at Ur, which brought back memories of Tallil air base for any Iraq vets here. Anyway, the theories are wild of course, but they do give some idea of ancient cultures, and that Giorgio guy’s hair is the star of the show. The “I’m not saying its aliens, but it’s aliens” meme is dank now, but they never mention the biggest problem (for me) about HOW these aliens got here.

Aliens have been/are here? Who knows. But if they do visit us it isn’t through our space/time universe. Put it like this: the fastest known speed in our universe is light speed, which is 180,000 miles per second. The nearest star to us is Alpha Centauri, which is 4 light years way. That means if we wish to make a round trip to our closest star neighbour, we’d first need to build a craft that travels at light speed, impossible with our level of technology so far. So let’s say we jump forward and finally build this ship. It would take EIGHT YEARS to make that return trip. And that’s our neighbour star, next door, never mind the galaxy and beyond.

So, aliens, if they are meat like us, carbon based, and mortal, build a lightspeed ship and come here, say, from HUNDREDS of light years away. They get here after the most epic odyssey in the galaxy. Generations were born and died en route in space.But, once they reach us they don’t go “DA DAAAH, we’re here!!!”. No, after that amazing voyage they hide away and kidnap fat rubes for experiments onboard. LOL.

If there is life elsewhere, and mathematically it’s almost certain, and they’re intelligent, they’re not using technology that’s on the same evolutionary path as ours. They’re intra dimensional, or can warp space. Even then, why f~~~ about and be shy? We wouldn’t if the roles reversed.

If they’re meat like us, they need to live long enough to develop some weird s~~~ technology to get here, and not regress, wipe themselves out, or get wiped out by asteroids etc. I think they’re out there, but the sheer distances and possibilities of space makes us to hard to find. They might not be meat, or even organic. Spirit, or silicone. Or something we’ve never seen before that defy our laws of physics. We might never hear from them, the Donald could nuke Kim tomorrow and its game over anyway. We are alone.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Aliens have/are here? Who knows

I do and they have albeit 30+ years ago.

[RajParticipant 472]

Well, look at it this way. The odds of hitting the Powerball are astronomical, hundreds of millions to one. Yet there are so many people who play that it inevitably gets hit, pretty often actually, even with the odds stacked against us, the law of big numbers determines that people even win the lottery, even if that person isn’t you.

Hundreds of billions of stars surrounded by trillions of planets, odds are, yeah, there are aliens. The question is, are they advanced and can they reach us. The law of big numbers says, yes, probably.

The earth is billions of years old, they may not even be aliens, they may be an advanced species that evolved early in earth’s history and survived several extinction events. I mean dinosaurs lived on this planet from 350 mya to 65 mya, you mean to tell me in 200 million years that ONE advanced species didn’t evolve? I find that very unlikely considering the advancements that humans have been able to make in the last 10,000 years and about 3.2 million years of total evolutionary history.

I don’t worry about the aliens/ advanced beings too much. Their technology and knowledge would exceed ours so absurdly we pose no more of a threat to them than a kitten would to us. They probably find us a novelty and just enjoy watching us much the same that humans enjoy funny animals/ children.

I was once a great king, I believe you were too. I hope you believe in me, I hope you believe in you.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

PistolPete wrote:

Cu Chulainn wrote:

Aliens have/are here? Who knows

I do and they have albeit 30+ years ago.

Would love to hear your story Pete.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Would love to hear your story Pete.

Last year I discussed the event on the threads and got a lot of grief over it so I don’t talk about it anymore.

[RajParticipant 472]

I would like to read it too Pete. Can you link to the thread?

I was once a great king, I believe you were too. I hope you believe in me, I hope you believe in you.

[GregB0Participant]

Sky-O wrote:

Great cover art and guitar rifts.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[GregB0Participant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

Cu Chulainn wrote:

Aliens have/are here? Who knows

I do and they have albeit 30+ years ago.

Would love to hear your story Pete.

Gave PistolPete a book about WWII Germany and the Nazi Bell project.
Nazi Bell Project

Supposedly a worm hole device that had the research continued in Russia after WWII.

No need for light speed or Buzz Lightyear when you have worm holes.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[RajParticipant 472]

GregB0 wrote:

Gave PistolPete a book about WWII Germany and the Nazi Bell project.
Nazi Bell Project

The United States government has given out grants and sponsored research “projects” on how global warming is caused by racism.

Maybe, i’m just saying, maybe we shouldn’t put to much clout in these government sponsored research projects….

I was once a great king, I believe you were too. I hope you believe in me, I hope you believe in you.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Dark Tower movie, is it out yet?

[Anonymous 11]

They are very, very real.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Funny folks don’t believe moon landing happened but believe they get anally probed by aliens every night.

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

Raj wrote:

Hundreds of billions of stars surrounded by trillions of planets, odds are, yeah, there are aliens.

This argument sounds correct on the surface. Everything in me also believes it to be true. It’s possible, on the basis of logic, that we actually are alone, however.

We have an estimate of how many star systems there are out there, in the visible universe. A number so enormous, it is incomprehensible. We believe that life formed by chance, under natural physical and chemical mechanisms.

If we think that life beginning by chance is a rare event, it is natural to conclude that given enough “rolls of the dice” it is inevitable that life would have to begin on other worlds than Earth. We have a near infinite number of “rolls of the dice” to work with, after all.

Here’s the problem: we have no idea what the odds of this event occurring are. It is logically possible that it is SO incredibly rare, that life formed on Earth alone.

I don’t actually believe this. But it is belief/intuition and not logic that guides me to this conclusion.

If our universe is actually infinite, all bets are off. Given an infinite number of “rolls of the dice” life would have to form elsewhere, no matter how low the odds of each “roll” being successful are.

If the universe is finite and unbounded though, it is logically possible that the odds of each “roll” being successful are SO low, that it only happened once, on Earth.

The fact that it happened on Earth is not evidence for how rare or common spontaneous life generation is. If it only happened ONCE, of course it would happen on the planet we are on, as we’re here to observe it and discuss it now 🙂

Again, I think there is life out there. The idea that we have been visited is silly to me though.

The answer, is no.

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

Also,

@sky-o

Megadeth f~~~ing rules

The answer, is no.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

I want to believe…

[RajParticipant 472]

Billy&The Cloneasaurus wrote:

Here’s the problem: we have no idea what the odds of this event occurring are.

Agreed, the simple statistical argument is not proof in and of itself.

However, I will say this, “life” in my opinion, is not that complicated.

Living organism are composed of cells, exhibit homeostasis, grow, and reproduce. The simplest building blocks of life are easily created in a laboratory setting. I don’t think it is as common or precious as everyone makes it out to be. Even viruses exhibit several of these characteristics, albeit without the cell, hence, not considered, “living.”

Even prions which are nothing more than amino acid strings (proteins) “reproduce.” I believe they even lack DNA.

Organisms, even complex ones, beyond single celled organisms, exist in some extreme environments here on earth. Below freezing, above boiling, highly toxic ares, etc. There are organisms who derive their energy from metallic ions, the sun, each other, and many other energy sources. So I agree while we can not put odds on life, I have to say that simple, single celled organisms are not these incredibly complex things. Not only this but live is incredibly resilient, I feel it could easily spread through out the galaxy quite easily, in fact, I could propose a few methods in which humans could begin colonizing planets several light years away.

But I wouldn’t wish that on anyone… 🙂

I was once a great king, I believe you were too. I hope you believe in me, I hope you believe in you.

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