Temptation to Relapse.. How to deal with it?

[MACHOParticipant]

Gone Ghost wrote:

If new members are met with such sarcasm and suspicion for trying to express these feelings.. how many men do you think are going to give up on MGTOW , when they could have embraced it and gone on to live better lives?
I am happy to receive criticism and straight talking advice, but if you can’t find anything other than a sarcastic remark to make… don’t bother!

When a young mgtow man shows up and express his emotions honestly he should of course be encouraged to speak. I totally agree.

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Anonymous wrote:

When in reality it’s all a complete INVERSE.

That’s a lot of code to rewrite.

Very true Spirit – it does feel like a gradual process to re-write the code and eliminate any Blue Pill bugs!

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

Gone Ghost wrote:

lately I find myself craving the emotional volatility and unpredictability that those relationships brought me… it’s almost as if things are going so well now, that I’m craving a little pain or danger!

Put everything in perspective, Gone Ghost:
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of sticking your dick in a meat grinder?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of driving full throttle into a brick wall?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of handing your financial future to a criminal?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of putting your head on a guillotine?

Because really, that is what you are asking yourself, here. Not us, but yourself. You are asking about putting not just your emotions but rather a whole slew of aspects of your life into the hands of an unpredictable woman who will 95% of the time f~~~ you over, and 98% of the time have the system on her side to help and encourage her to f~~~ you over.

Is that really what you want?

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

MOWsince95 wrote:

Put everything in perspective, Gone Ghost:
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of sticking your dick in a meat grinder?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of driving full throttle into a brick wall?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of handing your financial future to a criminal?
Would you crave the volatility and unpredictability of putting your head on a guillotine?

Thanks MOW..very good way of looking at it! That is exactly what I need to focus on I think! I just want to be mentally prepared to eradicate that s~~~ and get it out of my system once and for all!

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[MACHOParticipant]

Gone Ghost wrote:

Thanks MOW..very good way of looking at it! That is exactly what I need to focus on I think! I just want to be mentally prepared to eradicate that s~~~ and get it out of my system once and for all!

It’s a self destructive pattern that once recognized loses its grip on you!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[joetechParticipant]

If you really miss the companionship of women that much, try watching a couple of videos about false DV allegations. If that doesn’t work, try skydiving.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

joetech wrote:

If you really miss the companionship of women that much, try watching a couple of videos about false DV allegations. If that doesn’t work, try skydiving.

I don’t really miss the companionship that often, but there are very brief but intense moments when a part of me does. It is 90% no doubt happy to be going my own way and the occasional 10% doubts that creep into my mind. I want to eradicate that 10% and make sure it does not grow or sabotage my new life.

Good point to watch some videos like that, I need to keep taking Red Pills daily to stay focused! Thanks

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[Anonymous 5]

I know exactly where you’re coming from.
We’re all default Blue Pill addicts and like all addicts we’ll always have a subliminal tendency to believe the source of the addiction is our only way to happiness.
All people who’ve ever tried to beat an addiction, whether it be smoking drinking, drugs, gambling, will know full well what type of games our lizard brain will play on our conscious minds.

A belief system in itself has exactly the same addictive patterns.
A lifetime of indoctrination of the cult of the c~~~ will never be totally erased.
To get a better grip on this phenomenon it helps to read about people who’ve managed to exit cults. All of them acknowledge that at some level they’ll always be influenced to some degree by the beliefs of the cult, no matter how absurd the beliefs or how horrific the real world results.

The beauty of prolonged exposure to Red Pill knowledge is that you “Unmask” women in the real world almost instantly. I can safely bet that you’re approaching this stage. It’s an irreversible stage, a Pandora’s box.
The only demons you really have to deal with are the residual concepts of the Disney dream in your head. The moment your lizard brain internalizes the fact that the intimacy and rapport you crave from a woman doesn’t exist long term, then you’ll cease to be lonely for it.

Be patient and kind to yourself. The initial phases of the Red Pill are horrific. Your whole concept of reality gets vaporized and temporarily there’s no direction or meaning to your life because up now you’ve consciously and unconsciously lived your whole life around the concept of finding and securing “The One”
When you eventually internalize that happiness and contentment come from within, and from nowhere else, you’ll be OK.

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Thank you Trail! F~~~ing awesome reply, and so informative. That is exactly what I’m experiencing right now – I can see through all the bulls~~~, but a small recess of my brain still holds on to imaginary bulls~~~ which has been planted years ago. I am making every effort to keep fighting it and my circumstances are going from strength to strength. Listening to the advice on here and reading positive posts helps to keep me Red Pill focused!

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[AutoliteParticipant]

@Gone Ghost

Try and understand what this forum is suppose to be all about. It’s to help guys to deal with pain and turmoil, not to help guys go looking for it.

Don’t act offended if guys aren’t taking you seriously…

[Joey CusackParticipant 1044]

Iv’e relapsed a few times over the years. I’m of the belief that the way past something is through it.

So, I say go for it – date, whatever, taking the usual precautions (don’t knock her up). When these relationships, flings, go south you will have a better understanding of your true path. Then, in time, your intellectual understanding will be aligned with the rest of you.

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Autolite wrote:

Try and understand what this forum is suppose to be all about. It’s to help guys to deal with pain and turmoil, not to help guys go looking for it.

I haven’t encouraged anyone to go looking for pain, and I dont’ want to either. I’m trying to analyse the psychological issues which lead those men to pain in the first place!! In order to help young MGTOW such as myself avoid slipping back or throwing away their progress.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[AutoliteParticipant]

joetech wrote:

If you really miss the companionship of women that much, try watching a couple of videos about false DV allegations.

That’s really an excellent suggestion! Start with the ‘Redonkulas’ videos by Terrence Popp on YouTube. Even ‘Divorce Corp’ has been on YouTube (don’t know whether or not it still is though). I am very much looking forward to the day when “TRP Movie” can be watched for free. I think that’s when we’re gonna see a massive spike in MGTOW. That’s when MGTOW is really going to get actual exposure…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gone Ghost wrote:

I’m trying to analyse the psychological issues which lead those men to pain in the first place!! In order to help young MGTOW such as myself avoid slipping back or throwing away their progress.

Yeah, I know that I myself would be out of my depth trying to sort that one out. It’s like a guy telling me that they don’t understand why they have this urge to shove their face into a deep fat fryer. That one would have me beat.

I’m saying that you might want to consider consulting a professional…

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Autolite wrote:

Yeah, I know that I myself would be out of my depth trying to sort that one out. It’s like a guy telling me that they don’t understand why they have this urge to shove their face into a deep fat fryer. That one would have me beat.

It’s nothing like that at all. As I said in my post… even bad relationships at some stage had good elements, and it is very easy for the mind to selectively focus on those when coupled with societal pressures and relapse into seeking relationships which are harmful in the long run.

To compare something as complex as human relationships ( which involve both pleasure and pain ) to something which is nothing but physically painful such as shoving your face into a deep fat fryer is just ridiculous.

I don’t have the energy to argue anymore I’m done.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gone Ghost wrote:

As I said in my post… even bad relationships at some stage had good elements,

Well, I would say that any ‘good element’ in a relations~~~ would be like having a cherry in the bottom of a 45 gallon drum of pig s~~~. I’ve never found anything ‘pleasurable’ about a relations~~~ that was worth anywhere near the cost. But of course maybe that’s just me.

Gone Ghost wrote:

I don’t have the energy to argue anymore I’m done.

I didn’t think that we were arguing…

[Anonymous 6]

[Red KnightParticipant 720]

I had been wrestling with this myself for a long time. But, after much thinking and reflecting, I found the answer. The key here is discipline.

It’s difficult to explain, but it is a proven psychological phenomenon that whenever a person has grown accustomed to a situation or way of living, they will inevitably crave something different, no matter how comparatively good or bad the situation is.

However, in my case, I’ve discovered that these cravings are usually temporary. To overcome these cravings, I usually ensure that I’m well rested and then I push myself out of my comfort zone in some way. However, it’s important that what you do does not compromise your health or stability. From the perspective of MGTOW, this automatically rules out anything that has to do with women.

Some ideas would include:
– Traveling
– Most outdoor activities (hunting, fishing, sports)
– Finding extra work
– Picking up a new hobby
– Learning a new skill or advancing a current one
– Hitting the gym
– Socializing with friends

If you push yourself enough without going too far (putting your health or stability on the line), you will always remember how much you appreciate your current situation. After a week of hard work, I’m always, always ready for a weekend of relaxation. And if for some reason I get bored during the weekend, I push myself to advance in my hobbies. This is often enough for me to live a stable, balanced life without getting bored or really feeling like I require female companionship.

But I think the most important part is that whatever you do challenges you enough that you are not thinking about how bored you are.

Formerly MoneyOverBitches

[Oskal45Participant 21]

Red Knight wrote:

I had been wrestling with this myself for a long time. But, after much thinking and reflecting, I found the answer. The key here is discipline.

Totally agree. Self discipline is not easy, and avoiding the things that make you feel good short term but harm you long term isn’t easy. Plus, all around you, society is telling you that you need a woman in your life.

I look at my former vices like this:

If I do it, I’ll feel great to start with. That feeling will pass. Eventually I will be back in the same place I was a few years ago, a drunk, a waster, being pushed around by a woman who wanted nothing but money and someone to act as her emotional punchbag. Obviously it depends on your own personal experiences, but it’s always helped me.

I wish you the best of luck, going against what everyone else expects of you and taking your own path is never easy. As others have said, remember why you are here.

"If women didn’t exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning" Aristotle Onassis

[AttonParticipant]

The little bit of advice below what brought me here.

It becomes easy to deal with temptation when you consider the consensuses of giving in fully.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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