Taking Back Western Civilization

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Skeptisk wrote:

calypso wrote:

wyr wrote:

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell

I’d argue that Huxley had it closer to correct. People buy their electronic surveillance devices with their own funds. They numb out through booze, drugs, games, food, whatever… No one’s forcing their slavery – they enslave themselves. I’d like to try and fix this. I believe it’s fixable.

And I don’t. For documentation you should watch “Mouse Utopia”, and what happens with all mammals!! What humans are experiencing isn’t a strictly human phenomenon, but a result of animal behavioral responses. In short, we’ve built our Utopia, and like the mice, the rats, the every other mammal that exist within a “perfect” society, we’re going to experience the same ‘rewards’.

The reason is not that complex. For most of hominid development, it was a case of kill-or-be-killed. We’re practically bred for surviving strife. Remove this strife, and we turn against ourselves. As they say in a popular computer-game:

War, war never changes.

And since we’ve yet not advanced enough, or willing enough to bio-engineer our DNA to counter the worst impulses, we will succumb to decay, rot and filth now known as Feminism; or more correctly Egalitarianism. That is the root-cause for the problems we’re seeing, and if nothing is done, then it’ll not be a local catastrophe, but a global exit. Cause what we’re seeing in the West, isn’t just confined to Western nations, but to other nations as well.

So, in the words of Milo: Feminism is Cancer. He didn’t dare (the most dangerous f~~~~~) to call it what it is; Egalitarianism is Cancer.

I’m not familiar with “Mouse Utopia,” but I’ll look into it. I do see this as a global problem. But as humans, don’t we also have an ability to learn? Though we rarely do, we can rebuild. Better us than rampant Islamism or Feminism taking over the West for a few centuries. I can’t help but believe it’s worth a shot.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

wyr wrote:

I think trying to change a system that is corrupt at every level is like trying to reform the mob.

I’d rather start something from scratch like they did with America.

When Antarctica melts, create a MGTOWN!

If we fail to fix a system, a reboot is coming. I believe a reboot is likely. That’s the core of the plan.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

It’s a super decathalon or super D. Absolutely I want to hear your ideas.

I always wanted to fly a Super D…

I’ll keep going probably tomorrow. Trying to address a few comments, but I’m wearing down 🙂 I’m also recovering from an accident, so I’m not 100%…

[calypsoParticipant 68]

ghost wrote:

calypso wrote:

Neo-feudalism is the forseeable future for us and our progeny.

The Romans couldn’t prevent their demise and we won’t either. I hope I’m wrong.

Most of them bailed when it all fell apart. Istanbul was Constantinople. That’s what happens when one side is more prepared for conquest than the other.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

calypso wrote:

Ever read Ted Kacynski’s works? He predicted over socialization through social media, the rise of rampant feminism, the collapse of Western society and values…none of that existed when he did what he did.

Yes, but he mostly parroted Jacques Elul and was not very original in that sense. Society was starting to fall apart in the 1960’s. Any one could see it was headed down the sewer. I agree with your historical research completely, but I disagree with you on this one point. The system has to collapse, it cannot be saved. We should do everything we can to exacerbate the situation and encourage total failure of all systems of control. Kaczynski would agree. You cannot fix the Tower of Babel, its foundations are rotten.

Again, I don’t think we’re in disagreement. I fully believe it’s likely the system dies. The resultant question is whether or not we’re in a position to effectively build society again the right way or whether we do the 500 years of Dark Ages thing again. The first strategy begets the ability to effectively perform the second. I’ll try to explain this a bit better – at least my theory on how it can work.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

X11 wrote:

Is this, “long posts only” evening?

Not trying to be…

[Anonymous 7]

calypso wrote:

No worries, but for the record, I don’t consider this being a white knight approach. This is more Fight Club.

No worries.
I didn’t mean to imply you were/are.

I however, was a giant White Knight. Especially with family.
It was really the last of my red hot red pill rage.
No matter how many times I helped or how many resources I expended when helping it was never enough. All it earned me was resentment and/or a sense of entitlement from those that I helped.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

As I mentioned, I’m a bit wiped. I’ll try to get back to the details tomorrow. I outline them a bit in my Introduction post, but it should be spelled out better.

I know this isn’t for everyone, and I’m not trying to claim it is. But in essence, I think we need a 3 pronged strategy: work within a system (likely to fail), individual preparation but group communication and action, and a plan to take control of the situation after failure.

I’ll try to fill in the rest later. Thanks for those of you that are willing to stick it out a bit. No problem if it’s not your thing.

G’night.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

calypso wrote:

I’m not familiar with “Mouse Utopia,” but I’ll look into it. I do see this as a global problem. But as humans, don’t we also have an ability to learn? Though we rarely do, we can rebuild. Better us than rampant Islamism or Feminism taking over the West for a few centuries. I can’t help but believe it’s worth a shot.

Feminism or Islam won’t get s~~~ done as they aren’t the “engines of creation”, in other words, the innovators, the geniuses that can fix a problem. Islam was built on the backs of dying (conquered) civilizations, they built little by themselves, and mostly by slave-labor.

Feminism is a joke. There won’t be a feminist in the lifeboat.

No, what we’re seeing is unparalleled, it’s a global cascade-failure of civilization. The West (and the Far East) are the motor of the global economy, the thinkers, the engineers and the innovators. Once the West really starts to slide, the rest will follow as they’re dependent on the West. Think of the West as the biggest lode at the end of a chain, once that starts in freefall, the rest of the chain follows.

It’s not just about “When will we get electricity?”, but rather; “What is electricity?” as I can’t see how far humanity will fall. Maybe to the very bottom. Reading and writing will be like the one-eyed being the King among the blind.

As for me, it’s mostly morbid curiosity that keeps me living, to see my (private) theories come to life. As has been said, this is a cycle, but the question most do not ask; which type of cycle? My theory is that it’s one of the bigger ones, not like a small stockmarket-crash like in 1928, or a small famine after a war like WW2. Keep in mind that we’re running out of cheap oil (peak oil). Oil will be drilled and pumped, but for an ever increasing price, and it is the fuel that has driven Western civilization from the first automobile started. Everything after was a result of this.

The “restart” won’t be easy, cheap, and it’ll take a long time.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[bladeParticipant]

All this s~~~ would take a very long time to deprogram and i beleave it is not possible .

Society is self destructing and we are not far of it collapsing .

These things now need to happen .

Go for it idiots of the world and hurry up with this s~~~ .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 3]

Pointing to egalitarianism as the real problem is seminal thinking.
If everything is equal then everything has to be given equal time & space. In other words there’s nothing good there’s nothing bad & we’re equal & therefore we all have entitlement to everything. That kind of pap touted by the left so-called intelectuals is what has destroyed education & what’s left is really not worth saving. When I think of this s~~~ it pushes every button I have.
Just as an aside: In Denmark, every citizen is guaranteed a monthly income & have you heard anything good come out of Denmark recently
If I may: ” There’s something rotten in Denmark. Great thread. Great posts. Thank you all. Tip of the hat to Skeptics & Good night

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

My 50 cents.

1) there is no MGTOW movement, im not part of any movement, i just hang here couse I learn, and I don’t mind giving my point of view to a bro in need (although I’m not helpful at all, most of the time)

2) I don’t care about the civilization, the Native American where a civilization, the Muslims are civilization. I’m CELIBATE BECOUSE I DONT GIVE A F~~~.

3) im kind of insane and want to watch the world in flames, NFG.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Anonymous wrote:

Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

Ages Of Man

Some say we’re in the Kali Yuga, or more bluntly, pre-apocalypse, or pre-collapse at least.

History is cycical, hell, even natural history is cyclical, for most of the history of the earth where I’m typing this from was under hundreds of feet of ice. The so called ‘Ice Age’ is actually the normal climactical condition for the planet. The warmer inter-glacial interludes, like the one we are in now, are much shorter periods of time.

Human life is going to follow that pattern too, perhaps ‘civilization’ is the short periods between the dark ages. I know one thing, this current civilization has done more damage to the whole ecosystem than any ‘Dark Age’. I’m a religious man, the more debauched and degraded humanity becomes the more He becomes wrathful. We could be in for an extinction level (for humans only) event, so arrogant and far from God we have become. We think we are the masters of our home, the Earth, we’re lodgers only.

90% of every species that ever walked the earth is now extinct, and we are special why? Because we have plumbing and can insult each other in seconds across the globe on the internet?

No, we are in for a rude awakening, or a slow decline, but that’s how it goes, its part of the plan of something or someone we can’t even begin to understand.

The only thing that bothers me about post-Armageddon is where to find a good dentist.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

calypso wrote:

That problem, in a nutshell, is the decline of Western Civilization, partially due to the above factors.

Naw.

The real problem is that Western Civilization has made itself unworthy of saving.

Because it’s not really civilization any more. It’s just a high technological base with the mere trappings of civilization. Trying to save it is polishing a turd.

Let it burn. Bring marshmallows.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Sorry, my aim is to reduce my problems, not taking more unrealistic problems from other people.

I don’t see taking back Western Civilization as feasible nor will it reduce my problems.

If collaborating together in taking back civilization can reduce our problems then sure, however any effort spent will just create more parasite sucking our energy. So the most feasible solution is to let it fall.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 12]

calypso wrote:

In essence, my argument is that *most* of the MGTOW movement (in the modern sense of institutionalized feminism and the conversion of Western Civilization to a matriarchal institution) is a symptom of a larger problem that must be solved. That problem, in a nutshell, is the decline of Western Civilization,

MRA´s try to fix the world.
Leftists try to fix the world.
Conservatives try to block this and remain in power, using the same strategies from the past that cannot work because resources are not unlimited and progress/change is unstoppable.

calypso wrote:

The only failure is doing nothing while watching our heritage burn. I won’t sit idly by.

while i agree (takes only a good man to do nothing for evil to prevail)
this is along the same lines.
You try to save the western world.

The truth that lurks in the background is stronger than a single man´s Idea.

Anonymous wrote:

Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

calypso wrote:

So, as we all inherently know, it’s a unnatural state. And, as we all also know, it’s unsustainable. All unsustainable things fail, by definition. Here’s the problem… the resultant train wreck is more disastrous than many people want to believe.

The last time something of this magnitude occurred was when Rome fell. That led to 500 years of Dark Ages. The Dark Ages ended only because the Black Plague killed enough people such that the feudalist structure couldn’t be sustained due to a lack of manpower.

Anonymous wrote:

The system has to collapse, it cannot be saved.

There you have it.
Winter is coming.
Our Bloodlines are weak.
We won´t survive.

and even if we will…
when the nuclear reactors fail because civilization does not care for them, when the nuclear waste spills out into the world…
We´re f~~~ed.

500 years? are you joking?
More like 20k…
20k of lack of food, contaminated water, mutation, weak humans and disappearing animals.
Humans are in the process of turning this planet into a rotting apple.

And it is not one civilization that will fall and the others will prevail…
Humans will fail. All of them.

And we deserve what we get from nature´s Point of View.
Stop trying to save it.
Stop breeding.
Make sure you have cyanide capsulas or a gun with two bullets… one for your dog, one for yourself.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Here’s an idea:
– kick all muslims out of the western world (f~~~ off to your desert and STAY there)
– do the same for jews in the western world (no more media manipulation and no more debt)
– take away women’s rights (no more pussification of politics and government)

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

when the nuclear reactors fail because civilization does not care for them, when the nuclear waste spills out into the world…
We´re f~~~ed.

500 years? are you joking?
More like 20k…
20k of lack of food, contaminated water, mutation, weak humans and disappearing animals.
Humans are in the process of turning this planet into a rotting apple.

And it is not one civilization that will fall and the others will prevail…
Humans will fail. All of them.

Yes, exactly. Remember the 20th Century MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Everyone knew it was MAD, but they did it anyways. Building Nuclear Reactors so General Electric can make money and the pop-star Physicists can get their picture on Time Magazine. No one cared about the aftermath. We are now living with a bunch of ticking time bombs just waiting to melt down…and they will. Its Assured. I look around and I see roads and bridges falling down. Power lines collapsing, Nuclear Reactors are already falling into disrepair. The “Geniuses” of the 20th century were so damn smart, they doomed us for the next 20,000 years!

[Anonymous 12]

To another Person i once said:
the best that can happen to this planet is to just make humans vanish. Just select them all(ctrl A) and delete them with the Delete button.
No matter the nuke and chemical and biological s~~~… give it 300.000 or more years, and mother nature will not even remember us – different forms of life will prevail.
I would be very surprised if humans made it through this millennium.

In the big scheme of things…
the empty chair (absence) is a damn fine option.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

I would be very surprised if humans made it through this millennium.

I would be surprised if we made it through this Century!

Technology is a dangerous thing when it falls into the wrong hands. Now that the West is morally decayed, Technology is practically a death sentence. Death by Pollution and Radiation.

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