Taking Back Western Civilization

[Anonymous 42]

calypso wrote:

But I suspect the aftermath will be far worse than you think, and it will affect you.

Been there, done that, I now dwell in the aftermath and there’s nothing more for them to seize and destroy other than themselves, and my finger is on that trigger! They know I’ll fire and that is the most one can hope for in times of extreme adversity.

[Anonymous 7]

The final piece of me becoming MGTOW was to stop being a White Knight little bitch.

Society can burn or thrive but it will do it without my help.

If it thrives, well goodie.
If it burns, meh I am stockpiling food and ammo.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

In the interest of trying to make a Cliffs Notes case, I’m going to try and just get to the point without too much background. The main reason to be MGTOW (or again, I’d argue going PT is pretty much the same thing) is as a result of how society has dramatically changed to become so matriarchal. That’s not the mode it was in when we crossed oceans to find arable land, conquered the western lands in North America, invented plumbing, designed cars and planes, etc. This mode of society is only possible due to putting into place all of the things necessary to allow a matriarchal to exist and it be enforced expressly with manpower – and I don’t mean that in the generic sense.

So, as we all inherently know, it’s a unnatural state. And, as we all also know, it’s unsustainable. All unsustainable things fail, by definition. Here’s the problem… the resultant train wreck is more disastrous than many people want to believe.

The last time something of this magnitude occurred was when Rome fell. That led to 500 years of Dark Ages. The Dark Ages ended only because the Black Plague killed enough people such that the feudalist structure couldn’t be sustained due to a lack of manpower. Think about that…we’re at the age of the dawn of robotics and AI, near the edge of a crash in an unsustainable society. Neo-feudalism is the forseeable future for us and our progeny. Rome was “in collapse” for a couple hundred years. That was a long plateau of stagnation. When the actual collapse happened, it took only 13 years. You can easily see this in the devaluation of the denarius.

Today, we live in a world that moves much faster. The epidemic of rampant feminism and effeminate maledom that we’ve seen in the last 8 or so years would have been unheard of even 15 years ago. We’re accelerating toward the cliff at an ever increasing rate. A catastrophic crash is likely to happen in our lifetimes…arguably the next 2-3 years.

So if we generally agree that much of the need for MGTOW is a result of an unsustainable society, and if we generally agree that unsustainable society is coming to an end soon, and that the aftermath may be much more catastrophic than one initially thinks, then it stands to reason that something should be done. If we know how we got here, then we can essentially use the same tactics to either reverse course or be in a position to affect a rebuild after a crash. That’s essentially my case. I have a very tactical strategy on how a group of anonymous, leaderless people can try to affect a positive outcome within the confines of an existing system, and if that fails, they’ll be in a position to pick up the pieces and form a new system. It’s not flawless, but it’s a reasonable start for a point of discussion for those interested.

[Anonymous 12]

At the moment the Left still have control of the wheel but they are in their dying days. You can sense that because they have become very radical and are trying to force their ideas through. Much like the remains of an army digging in their heels for one last do or die stand. I have read similar things about groups like ISIS and how they are worried that they will lose their culture and religion. Therefore the hardcore and drastic response.

For a start I think all these migrants the Left let are going to work against them. I can’t see Mustafa and Sanjeep embracing the LGBTIQ community or being ok about their prospective wives not taking their names etc Not to mention that many women still want to live a traditional life and won’t like the idea of their husbands or potential husbands not having work.

Lastly, the Lefts ideas fail. They are meant to fail of course that is the whole idea. But people are dying from it now as we have seen with all the terror attacks among other Left wing related crimes and atrocities. In Australia we have the “Safe Schools” project which is about making boys feel like s~~~ and also making kids question their sexuality. Parents aren’t happy and kids as young as 4 are now presenting with sexual behaviour and telling doctors they feel like they are transexual.

People don’t want any of this. It is turning back slowly but we will take it all back.

[wyrParticipant 591]

calypso wrote:

I’d argue that Huxley had it closer to correct.

Yeah, it’s mix of both at the present, but I think we’ll end up with Orwell’s vision.

Fortunately change is slow, so we’ll be long gone before then.

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

I can understand your desire to rescue what is sinking. However, in my observations, it is bigger than feminism. Governments use the female nature of dependency and the need for safety as the prime weapon against men. Men are hard wired to be individuals and to seek and fight for independence. This is contrary to power over people. Women long ago were identified as the best mechanism to subvert freedom and independence. The economic structure depends on this as well. Playing into female ego and narcissism, as well as insecurity and anxiety. Female nature has at it’s core an emotional fanaticism that is irrational and therefore incapable of deliberative thought. We as men have gone our own ways which by enlarge represent reclusion and stealth from established norms. We all know that at some point,when society implodes, they will blame us and target us for extinction. We already present a threat to them as they just can’t seem to ignore us. Escalation will surely lead to a final conflict and terminus. Only then will we be able to rebuild society as it should be. The fanatics that they are will have to be utterly and decisively crushed so that no one dare even utter the word “feminist”. Lest they just “disappear” (like what happened to the collaborators after world war 2). Women won’t give up what they have unless it’s this way I think. A bit dystopian I know, but what have we seen in our lives? Government will have to be dissolved and rebuilt in purity of the constitution. Corporate structures will have to be augmented as well.

I could not agree more. What I would argue is lacking is a cohesive strategy that many can latch onto. The problem with your statement, at least I believe, is that in the end it’s every man to figure it out himself and try to work his way into the battle. We’re against decades of indoctrination even to the men that are young enough to help win this thing. I believe we need a bigger strategy that prepares a larger group if you’ll stick with me long enough to hear it out…

You fly a SuperCub or is that a rotorcraft? I’m a bit of an oddity. I’ve been eyeing a Super Viking recently.

[Anonymous 3]

Yes, this is the Iron Age. An age where the cardinal virtues of being a man are discounted.
Men going their own way is a path to freedom & sovereignty. It is a way out. This is the time for it.And as to the future, who knows?

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

Ages Of Man

I don’t think we have to struggle against the tide. I’d argue it’s worth a shot, but more importantly, a level of effort in prevention sets us up for reconstruction. That’s not fighting – it’s picking up the pieces and remaking it.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

I have made my choice by going MGTOW & participating in the forums. I read just about every post & yours is very interesting to say the least.
I pretty much got the s~~~ kicked out of me before I woke up & I certainly will not fall asleep again.
My first suggestion would b to find what can b worked with right now.
I find planting seeds of MGTOW in a discreet way works for me.
Wyr has it nailed. But we are far worse off today than Orwell envisioned. Our enslavement to BP living is more subtle. Most people are so sick they don’t even know how sick they are & present themselves as happy, right in the middle of a State of Emergency for the whole nation due to addiction. Trump just declared it.
OK. Just suppose everyone stopped smoking. Can you imagine what that would do.
How about not buying gas even for one day.
These are idealistic dreams. They won’t happen & that is where you will go astray. What will happen & is happening is the death throes of the west.
My way is stay unknown & plant seeds. Just like Johnny Appleseed & there are even apple trees growing where nobody picks the apples.
My hope is there will b a few pockets of survivors. I will admit MGTOW gives me hope. Opting out is a proactive move that stops the madness

I appreciate you comments and thoughts. You’ve clearly been around, that’s worth a lot. But I don’t believe my position is idealistic. It’s more like “fight the fight, but expect to lose.” To lose is to watch it crash. I’m positioning more for the cleanup.

What’s more powerful than one man sowing apple seeds? Millions of men sowing apple seeds.

[wyrParticipant 591]

I think trying to change a system that is corrupt at every level is like trying to reform the mob.

I’d rather start something from scratch like they did with America.

When Antarctica melts, create a MGTOWN!

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

calypso wrote:

wyr wrote:

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell

I’d argue that Huxley had it closer to correct. People buy their electronic surveillance devices with their own funds. They numb out through booze, drugs, games, food, whatever… No one’s forcing their slavery – they enslave themselves. I’d like to try and fix this. I believe it’s fixable.

And I don’t. For documentation you should watch “Mouse Utopia”, and what happens with all mammals!! What humans are experiencing isn’t a strictly human phenomenon, but a result of animal behavioral responses. In short, we’ve built our Utopia, and like the mice, the rats, the every other mammal that exist within a “perfect” society, we’re going to experience the same ‘rewards’.

The reason is not that complex. For most of hominid development, it was a case of kill-or-be-killed. We’re practically bred for surviving strife. Remove this strife, and we turn against ourselves. As they say in a popular computer-game:

War, war never changes.

And since we’ve yet not advanced enough, or willing enough to bio-engineer our DNA to counter the worst impulses, we will succumb to decay, rot and filth now known as Feminism; or more correctly Egalitarianism. That is the root-cause for the problems we’re seeing, and if nothing is done, then it’ll not be a local catastrophe, but a global exit. Cause what we’re seeing in the West, isn’t just confined to Western nations, but to other nations as well.

So, in the words of Milo: Feminism is Cancer. He didn’t dare (the most dangerous f~~~~~) to call it what it is; Egalitarianism is Cancer.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

It’s a super decathalon or super D. Absolutely I want to hear your ideas.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

calypso wrote:

But I suspect the aftermath will be far worse than you think, and it will affect you.

Been there, done that, I now dwell in the aftermath and there’s nothing more for them to seize and destroy other than themselves, and my finger is on that trigger! They know I’ll fire and that is the most one can hope for in times of extreme adversity.

In a way, I’m just trying to get everyone on the same page you’re on. One man attacking the structure is a madman. A million men attacking the structure is an army. I’m proposing a leaderless, unified, private, autonomous army that can either stop it before it breaks or fix it after it does. I’ll argue that we’re on the same page. Ever read Ted Kacynski’s works? He predicted over socialization through social media, the rise of rampant feminism, the collapse of Western society and values…none of that existed when he did what he did. By himself he was a crazy madman (though a genius, well educated professor and victim of certain govt programs…), but his vision of where things were going looks to be dead on. He was not stupid.

What if there was a way to fix it without waiting for it to decay? What if it takes more than one person, but an army? Is it not worth at least considering?

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

The final piece of me becoming MGTOW was to stop being a White Knight little bitch.

Society can burn or thrive but it will do it without my help.

If it thrives, well goodie.
If it burns, meh I am stockpiling food and ammo.

No worries, but for the record, I don’t consider this being a white knight approach. This is more Fight Club.

[ghostParticipant]

calypso wrote:

Neo-feudalism is the forseeable future for us and our progeny.

The Romans couldn’t prevent their demise and we won’t either. I hope I’m wrong.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

At the moment the Left still have control of the wheel but they are in their dying days. You can sense that because they have become very radical and are trying to force their ideas through. Much like the remains of an army digging in their heels for one last do or die stand. I have read similar things about groups like ISIS and how they are worried that they will lose their culture and religion. Therefore the hardcore and drastic response.

For a start I think all these migrants the Left let are going to work against them. I can’t see Mustafa and Sanjeep embracing the LGBTIQ community or being ok about their prospective wives not taking their names etc Not to mention that many women still want to live a traditional life and won’t like the idea of their husbands or potential husbands not having work.

Lastly, the Lefts ideas fail. They are meant to fail of course that is the whole idea. But people are dying from it now as we have seen with all the terror attacks among other Left wing related crimes and atrocities. In Australia we have the “Safe Schools” project which is about making boys feel like s~~~ and also making kids question their sexuality. Parents aren’t happy and kids as young as 4 are now presenting with sexual behaviour and telling doctors they feel like they are transexual.

People don’t want any of this. It is turning back slowly but we will take it all back.

I agree. What I haven’t touched on is my belief in something called Cycle Theory. Basically, history repeats (or rhymes). It’s predictable within certain bounds of probability.

I think we’re very near the peak of the idea of socialism. But much like yin-yang or anything cyclical idea, the peak is time of maximum activity, just before it wanes. It’s like the idea of “it’s always darkest before the dawn.” At the darkest point of the night, it can’t get darker. The famous yin-yang Chinese symbol depicts the same idea. At the end of black is white, and vice versa.

Here’s the problem. We’re also at the end of a cycle that speaks to peak civilization, ala Rome. Could peak socialism throw society into the next Dark Age? That’s what I wonder. I don’t think we will reverse easily here. Hence the reason I’m arguing for a plan to try and disrupt the cycle. A plan to take it back. FWIW, the cycle peaks around 2020…

[calypsoParticipant 68]

wyr wrote:

calypso wrote:

I’d argue that Huxley had it closer to correct.

Yeah, it’s mix of both at the present, but I think we’ll end up with Orwell’s vision.

Fortunately change is slow, so we’ll be long gone before then.

Complex systems change slowly until they fail, then they fail quickly and catastrophically. That’s what I believe we’re up against.

[Anonymous 1]

calypso wrote:

Ever read Ted Kacynski’s works? He predicted over socialization through social media, the rise of rampant feminism, the collapse of Western society and values…none of that existed when he did what he did.

Yes, but he mostly parroted Jacques Elul and was not very original in that sense. Society was starting to fall apart in the 1960’s. Any one could see it was headed down the sewer. I agree with your historical research completely, but I disagree with you on this one point. The system has to collapse, it cannot be saved. We should do everything we can to exacerbate the situation and encourage total failure of all systems of control. Kaczynski would agree. You cannot fix the Tower of Babel, its foundations are rotten.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, this is the Iron Age. An age where the cardinal virtues of being a man are discounted.
Men going their own way is a path to freedom & sovereignty. It is a way out. This is the time for it.And as to the future, who knows?

I’d like to think the future is what we create. But you’re right…who knows…

[X11Spectator 4520]

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