Taking Back Western Civilization

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Hi All,

This is an attempt to start a discussion of an idea that really originated in my Introduction thread. It’s a bit later in the day now, and I’m a bit tired, so please forgive me if I need to do this in multiple postings for it to make sense. Also, please forgive the verbosity…this is a concept I’ve had in mind for a long time, and central to the success of any complex idea is the ability to explain it coherently and as succinctly as possible. As such anyone brave (or stupid? or reckless?) enough to read all of what’s to follow is most certainly a guinea pig in my attempt to explain myself. You’ve been warned 😉

I’m not going to proclaim to have everything figured out to final completion. I approach this situation like an engineering project: what’s the optimal result you’re after, and then work backwards to see what you can do to meet the requirements. In essence, we have to know how we got here to figure out how to go back to sanity.

My attempt to illustrate this idea here is as much for feedback and creative thinking as for anything. We need one other. No man is an island.

In essence, my argument is that *most* of the MGTOW movement (in the modern sense of institutionalized feminism and the conversion of Western Civilization to a matriarchal institution) is a symptom of a larger problem that must be solved. That problem, in a nutshell, is the decline of Western Civilization, partially due to the above factors. We’re on a path to final crash and burn, not unlike the fall of Rome and the next 500 years of Dark Ages. Either the fall must be stopped (by returning civilization to something again more rational and natural), or we must be prepared to resurrect the remnants of what exists after the fall and begin the process of restoration in our lifetimes. Our forefathers carved out this world. It’s as if we had to spend millennia figuring out how to gather the materials and engineer a car – only to hand it over to effeminate beta males and deranged, institutionalized feminists to try and run us over with it.

No more. Taking it back won’t be easy, but it is possible. Any system that succumbs to entropy (natural decay to death) can be rebuilt and sustained with energy input. We’re the energy. It is falling on our generation – those of us alive today – to fix it or resurrect it. The only failure is doing nothing while watching our heritage burn. I won’t sit idly by.

Finally, before I outline the big picture plan, I want to make a few disclaimers. First, I’m not calling for any immediate violence. In fact, this is most counterproductive and would undermine everything. Preparation for violence is key, however.

Second, it may appear that I make statements that would be regarded as racist, sexist, or pro/con religion. This would be an incorrect interpretation of something I’ve written. I have gone through believing many different ideologies over time and am now convinced none of them are entirely true. I will touch on my view of the world because it’s relevant to understand how and why I’m making my case.

Finally, I’m sure I’m going to miss some points as I write this. Again, this is my attempt to sort through many complex ideas in my head and explain them coherently. I will most certainly fail in one aspect or the other. What I hope to gain from this is the ability to clarify my thoughts and my ability to express them so that my point is made. If it is sufficiently clear, then only you can decide if it makes sense and you’re interested in participating in the solution. I’m confident some or all of you can add value to the thought process and means by which we can realize a vision of solving the insanity that has become the West.

With that said, I’m going to touch on the problem first in the next post. The idea that MGTOW is a symptom of a bigger problem – clearly something that many of you agree with already. However, especially for the younger guys, they may not have the perspective of a world before MGTOW was a necessary solution to an epidemic problem. After all, rewriting history is part of the problem. You’d have to have been alive long enough to know that what you’ve told is mostly a lie…many of you here have found out that lie the hard way. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

When I look at society, it is a cart that is rolling down a hill. Trying to jump in and save the day will only result in us getting our hands burnt badly. The very least we MGTOWs are doing, is by not being the enablers. These enablers, blue pill men, keep this cart rolling down the hill.

As to what happens in the future, who knows.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Anonymous 42]

calypso wrote:

only you can decide if it makes sense and you’re interested in participating in the solution. I’m confident some or all of you can add value to the thought process and means by which we can realize a vision of solving the insanity that has become the West.

LET. THE. MOTHERF~~~ER. BURN. DOWN. TO. EMBERS. IN. THE. BASEMENT!

Don’t even p~~~ on it!

[ghostParticipant]

I have been through this multiple times but I don’t see how we can prevent the decline. Average people won’t wake up until it’s way too late. It is also not just a problem infecting Western Civilization but it has stretched to other parts of the world. I am hearing a lot of the same problems in places like Saudi Arabia of all places. I am not sure how we can quarantine this disease at this point. I believe we have already gone past the point of no return. I believe MGTOW is essentially a survivalist mentality. I am not ready to risk everything I’ve built to go out publicly and challenge the status quo on my own. What do I gain? I tried that with religion already and people wouldn’t leave me be until I went MGTOW from religion as well. I am interested to hear what others have to say.

[Anonymous 3]

I think you’re on the wrong forum. You’re looking for MRAs, not MGTOW.

Incidentally, I won’t be around in 500 years. I probably won’t be around in 50. Maybe I’ll make another 20, a long shot at 30. Regardless, this s~~~ ain’t my problem, and I don’t give a s~~~.

If you’re going to try to shame me into thinking it’s my problem, well, you definitely aren’t an MGTOW, and are probably tuna.

[wyrParticipant 591]

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

[bladeParticipant]

The clock needs to be reset .

T

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[X11Spectator 4520]

Cliff notes on OP, TLDR.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

When I look at society, it is a cart that is rolling down a hill. Trying to jump in and save the day will only result in us getting our hands burnt badly. The very least we MGTOWs are doing, is by not being the enablers. These enablers, blue pill men, keep this cart rolling down the hill.

As to what happens in the future, who knows.

I think you’re probably right. But if you’re interested still, allow me to make my case. Let’s assume it burns to the ground. What do you do then? I have some ideas on that, but it takes some time to put them down. If you’re not interested, no worries…

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

calypso wrote:

only you can decide if it makes sense and you’re interested in participating in the solution. I’m confident some or all of you can add value to the thought process and means by which we can realize a vision of solving the insanity that has become the West.

LET. THE. MOTHERF~~~ER. BURN. DOWN. TO. EMBERS. IN. THE. BASEMENT!

Don’t even p~~~ on it!

No problem, dude. I’m not trying to make you do anything. But I suspect the aftermath will be far worse than you think, and it will affect you. What I’m proposing is a method to either stop the madness, or in the event it’s not stoppable (which is likely), pick up the pieces and rebuild in a way that’s more sane.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

ghost wrote:

I have been through this multiple times but I don’t see how we can prevent the decline. Average people won’t wake up until it’s way too late. It is also not just a problem infecting Western Civilization but it has stretched to other parts of the world. I am hearing a lot of the same problems in places like Saudi Arabia of all places. I am not sure how we can quarantine this disease at this point. I believe we have already gone past the point of no return. I believe MGTOW is essentially a survivalist mentality. I am not ready to risk everything I’ve built to go out publicly and challenge the status quo on my own. What do I gain? I tried that with religion already and people wouldn’t leave me be until I went MGTOW from religion as well. I am interested to hear what others have to say.

All I can do is make my case and propose a plan. I will need a few cycles to spell it all out. It’s up to each person to make a choice.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

Anonymous wrote:

I think you’re on the wrong forum. You’re looking for MRAs, not MGTOW.

Incidentally, I won’t be around in 500 years. I probably won’t be around in 50. Maybe I’ll make another 20, a long shot at 30. Regardless, this s~~~ ain’t my problem, and I don’t give a s~~~.

If you’re going to try to shame me into thinking it’s my problem, well, you definitely aren’t an MGTOW, and are probably tuna.

I don’t know what an MRA is. I also don’t care about shaming you into anything. I also haven’t called you or anyone else any names and I’m not trying to start any s~~~. But if want to start calling me names, at least have the f~~~ing b~~~~ to man up and meet me face to face to do it. Not sure why you feel I p~~~ed in your Post Toasties, but it wasn’t intended.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

wyr wrote:

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell

I’d argue that Huxley had it closer to correct. People buy their electronic surveillance devices with their own funds. They numb out through booze, drugs, games, food, whatever… No one’s forcing their slavery – they enslave themselves. I’d like to try and fix this. I believe it’s fixable.

[calypsoParticipant 68]

blade wrote:

The clock needs to be reset .

T

I agree. How it gets reset is important, isn’t it?

[calypsoParticipant 68]

X11 wrote:

Cliff notes on OP, TLDR.

I wish I knew a good way to summarize it. That’s a big problem in and of itself.

[ghostParticipant]

calypso wrote:

All I can do is make my case and propose a plan. I will need a few cycles to spell it all out. It’s up to each person to make a choice.

I am keen to hear your plan. I always keep an open mind.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

If you’re going to try to shame me into thinking it’s my problem, well, you definitely aren’t an MGTOW, and are probably tuna.

He wasn’t trying to shame you. Calm down and let the man speak his mind.

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

I can understand your desire to rescue what is sinking. However, in my observations, it is bigger than feminism. Governments use the female nature of dependency and the need for safety as the prime weapon against men. Men are hard wired to be individuals and to seek and fight for independence. This is contrary to power over people. Women long ago were identified as the best mechanism to subvert freedom and independence. The economic structure depends on this as well. Playing into female ego and narcissism, as well as insecurity and anxiety. Female nature has at it’s core an emotional fanaticism that is irrational and therefore incapable of deliberative thought. We as men have gone our own ways which by enlarge represent reclusion and stealth from established norms. We all know that at some point,when society implodes, they will blame us and target us for extinction. We already present a threat to them as they just can’t seem to ignore us. Escalation will surely lead to a final conflict and terminus. Only then will we be able to rebuild society as it should be. The fanatics that they are will have to be utterly and decisively crushed so that no one dare even utter the word “feminist”. Lest they just “disappear” (like what happened to the collaborators after world war 2). Women won’t give up what they have unless it’s this way I think. A bit dystopian I know, but what have we seen in our lives? Government will have to be dissolved and rebuilt in purity of the constitution. Corporate structures will have to be augmented as well.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[Anonymous 1]

Everything in nature goes in cycles. There has never been a great civilization that has not declined into chaos and self-destruction. The Romans also knew this full well. The Ages of Man. We are now in the “Iron Age.” There is no use struggling against the tide.

Ages Of Man

[Anonymous 3]

I have made my choice by going MGTOW & participating in the forums. I read just about every post & yours is very interesting to say the least.
I pretty much got the s~~~ kicked out of me before I woke up & I certainly will not fall asleep again.
My first suggestion would b to find what can b worked with right now.
I find planting seeds of MGTOW in a discreet way works for me.
Wyr has it nailed. But we are far worse off today than Orwell envisioned. Our enslavement to BP living is more subtle. Most people are so sick they don’t even know how sick they are & present themselves as happy, right in the middle of a State of Emergency for the whole nation due to addiction. Trump just declared it.
OK. Just suppose everyone stopped smoking. Can you imagine what that would do.
How about not buying gas even for one day.
These are idealistic dreams. They won’t happen & that is where you will go astray. What will happen & is happening is the death throes of the west.
My way is stay unknown & plant seeds. Just like Johnny Appleseed & there are even apple trees growing where nobody picks the apples.
My hope is there will b a few pockets of survivors. I will admit MGTOW gives me hope. Opting out is a proactive move that stops the madness

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