Starting to Wonder

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

It’s been a while since I’ve had much time to write anything here, and I’ve missed it. Now that I have a little time, I’m just throwing stuff up here as it comes to me. As for definition of mgtow, I had this idea come to me tonight as I was reading some bulls~~~ about ‘dating a single mother’ written by a single mother.

As you can easily predict, it was all that same old s~~~ about how “my kid comes first…’, “you must do this… you must do that”, I am not available for x,y,z…’ etc etc etc. Basically the litany of added demands that come from a woman who has even less to offer in return than the child free women whose lists are already vastly unreasonable.

As I sat and read Doc’s opener, it occurred to me that maybe a good definition of mgtow would be a man that viewed and treated himself in the context of interactions with women the way single moms treat their kids in the context of their interactions with men who are trying got date them. I come first, not her. She must prove herself worthy (of me). If I have to cancel on her, or otherwise make her second priority to take care of me, she must accept that… etc etc etc

A man who consistently holds that attitude is likely to remain unmarried by default wether it’s part of the definition of mgtow or not. He might be in a relationship with a woman, but in that context, he will be as protective of his own interests as those delusional single mothers are about their kids, and where they rate in priority vs men they date.

This idea is new, having just come to me, but the longer I think about it, the better I like it as a definition, at least for myself… I think the thing I like best about it is how totally offensive it would be to any of these delusional demanding women that anyone would repeat back to them that exact same mantra about how they are NOT the #1 priority…

thoughts?

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

@ Brian

That sounds like one of the better definitions to me. It focuses on the thing we all really have in common (reevaluating relationship value) and doesn’t include ridiculous requirements (like thou shall not have a religion).

The issue with more vague definitions like this one is that married guys can pretend they are the same as us. The issue with people saying that Mgtow is about freedom is that then defining how free is free becomes one giant mess that puts guys against each other. You arnt a libertarian? Not a Mgtow! You don’t share my opinion on this controversial issue? Not a Mgtow! You are a law abiding citizen? What a bitch! I live in the mountains with zero possesions, therefore me more alpha Mgtow, you beta-omga 1.8. I f~~~ ur mom…… oh wait, I don’t because then I wouldn’t be Mgtow…… Oh wait, I’m expressing my opinion to other people online, that is so not going MY OWN way! Maybe I’m actually a wom … Nope, I have a dick….. unless it was… maybe I’m a…. Maybe we are all transgender men with amnesia induced by the feminist world order that only I know about because I’ve taken the crimson red pill AND I AM MORE MGTOW THAN ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!

[rant over]

Disclaimer: the author of this post uses sarcasm and the comment was not created with the intent of revealing the author and other members as transgendered men with amnesia.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Tiga K wrote:

The issue with more vague definitions like this one is that married guys can pretend they are the same as us. The issue with people saying that Mgtow is about freedom is that then defining how free is free becomes one giant mess that puts guys against each other. You arnt a libertarian? Not a Mgtow! You don’t share my opinion on this controversial issue? Not a Mgtow! You are a law abiding citizen? What a bitch! I live in the mountains with zero possesions, therefore me more alpha Mgtow, you beta-omga 1.8. I f~~~ ur mom…… oh wait, I don’t because then I wouldn’t be Mgtow…… Oh wait, I’m expressing my opinion to other people online, that is so not going MY OWN way! Maybe I’m actually a wom … Nope, I have a dick….. unless it was… maybe I’m a…. Maybe we are all transgender men with amnesia induced by the feminist world order that only I know about because I’ve taken the crimson red pill AND I AM MORE MGTOW THAN ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!
[rant over]
Disclaimer: the author of this post uses sarcasm and the comment was not created with the intent of revealing the author and other members as transgendered men with amnesia.

Dude that was f~~~ing hilarious…+1

[VenomParticipant 310]

To me MGTOW is about this:

And doing what you want to do. Just avoid long-term relations~~~s such as marriage with women and you’re good to go.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I took MGTOW as a man who decides he isn’t going to marry and lives a life seeking to do things his way. It may be of benefit to understand the nature of women, but it isn’t required. It would depend on what he seeks. Understanding the nature of women, and/or why marriage sucks can be of benefit though. PARTICULARLY knowing why marrying a woman isn’t right for him, is useful also. But, I see so much in the MGTOWsphere, and how believing such and such about women is an essential part, I have to wonder.

As of now, I am MGTOW. I am in my late 40s, and have never been married, and don’t feel a need for the approval of a woman to validate me. I don’t see myself ever marrying either. Hey, maybe this changes, but I just don’t see it. My experience with women is, unless you go through a ton of hoops, s~~~testing, and courting, you don’t get a woman, period. The guy has to do the work. If you don’t, you don’t get one. And such isn’t worth my time.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[pharmerParticipant 407]

Too many awsome lines in this thread to quote them all here but I feel a new sense of this being just the right place.
I was wondering recently if I was living up to what others would consider MGTOW. Not that I give 2 s~~~s weather someone else thinks I’m walking the walk.
To address Doc’s questions in my own way:
But still I wonder. Is there room in MGTOW for a man who accepts the reality of hypergamy, understands why human sexual dimorphism exists and believes that women have a meaningful and important role to play in human society?
Yes a meaningful and important role which many of them could perform better, simply being a decent human being. To varying degrees many of them need a wake up call on how they are letting society go down the s~~~ter. Then there are the ones that are pushing it head first – the rabid psycho feminists and dedicated ‘machine gun uterus’ career solo mums. If ebola came and wiped them out I don’t think it would be a disaster as much as a blessing. Higher education for men would boom, the massive tax surplus could be put to good use.
Is there space in MGTOW for a man who believes he need society and that society needs him, is content to act in his nature and play his role in life… who still enjoys the company of women, is willing to incur the risks and rewards that come with social and economic engagement and cares about self representation and behaving with kindness and charity toward those who are not as capable or responsible?
I do act within my nature but I try to do it mindfully. Unrestrained natural instincts will land you in trouble very quickly. To be truthful I am beginning to experiment very cautiously with the company of women, this is where the wisdom of the brotherhood is priceless. The red pills have really cleared up my fuzzy vision and sharpened my mind.
I don’t think society needs me. My children definitely, and I’m fairly sure certain sections of society would rather not have me looking after them. 1) I’m a man. 2)I’m raising them wise to the BS that goes on and teaching them to think for them selves.
I’m not sure about the last bit. Yes I try always to behave with kindness and charity towards others, but to those who are not responsible? I have very little to give. I have always thought there is way too much talked about human rights and way too little talked about human responsibilities.
I’ve simply thought that you can’t be MGTOW with out your OWN WAY, and that’s what I love about it. But it’s what we have in common that is our strength. We are aware of the game and we play it very smart, and some not at all. We don’t loose any more. I think that’s why we are attacked so much. It’s hard to keep slaves when literally ‘the truth will set you free’

Never fuck a crazy chick.

[ALPHA MALE!Participant 29]

…any man born to parents who were born before the 40’s (you know, the common sense era) don’t have all these f~~~ed up problems folks have now (my Father was born in 1922), as soon as psychological based ideologies were implemented into society through the f~~~ing media (namely television, the thing my Mother called the IDIOT BOX) has f~~~ed with every possible avenue of logic for both men and women alike, both emotionally, mentally and spiritually!…so…if you fall into the latter category…kiss your ass goodbye cause it’s only going to get worse! Critical thinkers are a thing of a bygone era, iPhones tell you what to think now…Totalitarianism is the new master whether you believe it or not!!!…I see the world for what it really is and not what I’m told it is! I don’t just submissively accept what I’m taught by a global curriculum like most every man and woman walking the planet punch f~~~ing drunk on social media…I’m fed up with all the f~~~ing pointless conjecture and propaganda that men and women wallow in then complain and screw each other over s~~~ that destroys both sexes alike!!! ENOUGH SAID!…cause I can say a hell of a lot more, but…flattery is full of s~~~!!!

…UP THE IRONS!!!

...I'm an Alpha Male, not a bitch!!!

[Anonymous 1]

I will say this: I always wanted a partner of the opposite sex, an equal (or as close as possible), someone that I could depend on and vice-versa.

As far as I can tell, women are not up to the task, and never were. Is just that in the past, the only RELIEF men had to make it up for standing against the elements were sex. That is not the case anymore.

I use the Mgtow label because it is easier to find people that think like me, on some aspects anyway, in the internet. I don’t “ignore”, neither I am “rude” with women, but I don’t need to have sex or try to woo every (or any, for that matter) woman that cross my path, and I do try to keep them at an arms lenght. I don’t date, and never did date, because I was undesirable on my blue pill days and nowadays, it just seems an enourmous waste of my time, not mentioning that the risks are not worth the “rewards” (which, as mentioned before, are almost equal to zero).

Does that makes me a Mgtow? I don’t know. I like to hear the views of those that date, but so far, none of their stories/arguments convinced me that:

a) women are needed in my life
b) women are needed in society for other purpose than reproduction (at least for now)
c) giving birth is a task worthy of worship (giving birth to a child, not only is a bodily fucntion women can do while IN COMA, but doing that and raising that child are 2 different things, and women suck at the latter, which would actually be something with some value, stil not worth of worship though.)

Not saying it is right to do wrongs toward the opposite sex, however, I am a firm believer that every person should be able to pull their own weight at some point, or be judged by their deeds. That includes women.

I see that as Mgtow gets bigger, more and more men get the label to themselves, trying to excuse women from their own s~~~ty behavior. There is nothing we can do but live our lives.

Mgtow, as a phenomena (which means, men walking AWAY from women) is unstopabble, and need no advertisement other than women themselves.
Mgtow, as a movement, is weak. It will be co-opted in order to be more “friendly to the masses”, and you know what? Let them have it. I will not follow the herd. In the end, no matter how much they try sugar coat reality, FACTS speak louder than FEELINGS. If women are worth my time, they better demonstrate that with ACTIONS. Either that or I go my merry way. It is all the same and I win either way.

Cheers.

[Anonymous 11]

I know I wonder myself. Did I have a White Knight moment? Did she manipulate me?

These questions come from consuming red pill and are healthy. Women really are like that, because they are allowed and encouraged to be that way. We are a minority of critical thinkers seeking some ephemeral truth unique to our own circumstance. We are not of the herd.

I’m not a monk though I respect the monks within our ranks. Currently, I am in forced monk mode due to the severe aftershock of paying multiple thousands of dollars in taxes the past 6 weeks to four levels of government. I am an extrovert so having to socially isolate myself until my next project pays out puts stress on me.

All I know is that I am the only one who truly cares about my welfare. I accept full responsibility. I will never allow any single entity be it female or corporate to have full control over me again. I will always maintain multiple options. This is the most radical change for me since becoming a MGHOW.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

They’re only two rules, for mgtow.

Men only.

Women are not welcome here.

Everything else is up to you. So enjoy it and stop wondering.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

bigboy83 wrote:

They’re only two rules, for mgtow.
Men only.
Women are not welcome here.
Everything else is up to you. So enjoy it and stop wondering.

+1…people forget that MGTOW is literally just a forum for men….that is it. But it is probably one of the most important forums out there in today’s culture and times.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Stargazer wrote:

But still I wonder. Is there room in MGTOW for a man who accepts the reality of hypergamy, understands why human sexual dimorphism exists and believes that women have a meaningful and important role to play in human society?

I believe women do have an important roe to play in the society. I mean, if they didn’t, they wouldn’t have existed. I’m a biology student, so no reason for me to believe that we’d all have been hermaphrodites (single sex organisms) if it were meant to be. But we are not.

I believe this wasn’t nature’s plan all along. I’m pretty sure there was no necessity for all this in-fighting for humanity. But, cancers weren’t nature’s plans too, you know. Cancers came into being because our genes which once flawlessy replicated itself, became flawed. And it became necessary for us to cut them out; purify ourselves from the very material that constitute us.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Just MikeParticipant 393]

I’d love to stick my dick in something, it’s just that the will and the way are completely different. I wouldn’t say no to a f~~~, or even the occasional company of women in short doses, but *getting to that point in the first place*…far out, I’m no PUA and women largely look straight past me, plus I dunno if I have the patience. I don’t avoid by choice and have no strong feelings about it one way or the other whether I have a woman or not. It’s just circumstantial that I haven’t for a while.
Someone said it good (sorry, didn’t get the poster for the quote, was skimming through): maintaining sovereignity over yourself is more important, woman, sex, relationship or not, whatever. Just be aware of the traps and do what you will.

Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.

[TruthspoonParticipant 1289]

Just Mike wrote:

I’d love to stick my dick in something, it’s just that the will and the way are completely different. I wouldn’t say no to a f~~~, or even the occasional company of women in short doses, but *getting to that point in the first place*…far out, I’m no PUA and women largely look straight past me, plus I dunno if I have the patience. I don’t avoid by choice and have no strong feelings about it one way or the other whether I have a woman or not. It’s just circumstantial that I haven’t for a while.
Someone said it good (sorry, didn’t get the poster for the quote, was skimming through): maintaining sovereignity over yourself is more important, woman, sex, relationship or not, whatever. Just be aware of the traps and do what you will.

I don’t have that problem. I can easily get women anytime, I’ve got cheekbones, they like that for some reason…. but I know that in the long run, they are just boring to be with and you lose your sense of self and personal power being with them.

Also I’m literally not into one night stands….for me sex is a personal thing, I respect myself enough not to give it away to any skank who happens to be passing….. I think the only people who benefit from one night stands are needy people who need emotional and sexual comfort….blast me for generalising but it’s not my scene.

I don’t need comfort, I don’t need someone to love me and I don’t need the drug of constant sexual gratification….and essentially, I don’t need women….

Unlesss I meet the magic unicorn…… but I’ve seen to much femi-horror to believe she even exists anymore…

Best girl I ever had was still a sucker for the soaps and was argumentative as hell after a year together….

The only way for a man to remain a man is to go your own way…..

The world needs to follow us….not the other way round.

We are kings of the Earth and everything else is trash…..

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Truthspoon wrote:

I don’t need comfort, I don’t need someone to love me and I don’t need the drug of constant sexual gratification….and essentially, I don’t need women….

That is what separates real men, not manginas, from women. The ability to not want.

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

Cap285 wrote:

Don’t sweat it. Seems to be a lot of in-fighting recently. Not to mention that ne0-Nazi guys video bashing MGTOW.

Don’t worry, you’re cool.

HOLD YOUR COURSE.

LOL.

A neo nazi is complaining about men who won’t follow an oppressive regime that aims to take over and virtually enslave a selected group?

Yeah. I had to bring out Charlton Heston’s famous laughing scene on this one. I have a feeling I’m going to need to keep it on speed dial as I will most likely run into several more instances where a gut busting laugh is the most proper response to the out right stupidity that has been seen or heard. Feel free to use the quieter, smaller gif version if you wish my fellows.

Feminism. Some times it’s so saddening I have to laugh.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[PacifistParticipant 143]

I’m one of those who consider a vague definition adequate.

For myself there are the

Redpillers: All those who accept that women generally have always been like that. That the current society and government favor women.

PUA: Those who game how women are to their benefit.

MRA: Those who try to change the system.

MGTOW: Those who don’t try to fight or abuse the system. Instead they acknowledge the problems and seek to minimize their danger while maximizing their enjoyment of life.

Or to put in an even simpler format. On the totem pole of life women are…

PUA: Most important

MRA: Equally important

MGTOW: Less important (not unimportant but somewhere below self/freedom/health/peace and quiet/books/friends/money/homes/cars/…..) It’s up to the individual to determine a woman’s worth and her place on their list.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

I’m over the “title” MGTOW.

It’s meaning will change, but what I’ve learned of gynocentrism, hypergamy, and divorce laws have convinced me to avoid marriage and live for myself. I don’t care about titles. I’m pursuing my own happiness and freedom, damn the consequences.

[SOLI2DEParticipant 746]

I want to say that every one of you guys are awesome!!! including the ones that come later on. I like going my own way because it’s personal and specifically determined by my life experiences. I know I’m MGHOW and that’s thanks to MGTOW. I apply this info to all my interactions with women and its enlightening. Your life is your life so live it. Just eliminating women from my pursuits and plans opens up an entire world that I closed off previously. Want to buy a house? New car to put in garage? Happy life experiences traveling the world? Stress free existence that’s rewarding and fulfilling? Do it!!! That’s where I’m at right now and due to my particular circumstances, it’s best I stay alone and just f~~~ escorts every few months when I feel the need and masturbate in between. I know I get distracted and can really reach my potential greatness keeping women at a serious distance. Go Batman and all Ronin on these bitches.

“Do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.” -Proverbs 31:3-

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