Starting to Wonder

[mp357Participant 531]

im really getting tired of people trying to define mgtow. its not a religion or movement or any other bs.. its just a way of thinking and choosing how to go about your life. this overthinking every damn facet of mgtow is hamster wheel female think. relax for god sake.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Just rub one out. You’ll feel better.

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[WolfParticipant 890]

Stargazer wrote:

But still I wonder. Is there room in MGTOW for a man who accepts the reality of hypergamy, understands why human sexual dimorphism exists and believes that women have a meaningful and important role to play in human society? Is there space in MGTOW for a man who believes he need society and that society needs him, is content to act in his nature and play his role in life… who still enjoys the company of women, is willing to incur the risks and rewards that come with social and economic engagement and cares about self representation and behaving with kindness and charity toward those who are not as capable or responsible?

I believe there is room for MGTOW and what you speak of.

I date and associate with women. I enjoy spending time with some women. I enjoy dating and being intimate. I love my mother, and I see mothers everyday who are doing a great job raising their kids.

With all this said, I do understand women’s nature and the hardship that can bring to a man. Therefore, I live my life with boundaries that I have personally established. I understand the family laws that exist nowadays and I live my life in a way to protect myself from them.

That’s how I go my own way.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

MGTOW is whatever you want it to be. It’s what you want for yourself. Some men go monk mode, others still date and have relations~~~s. That’s the thing, there’s not really a concrete credo for us. All walks of life, different goals. I’m going to do what I want to, whether that’s called being a bachelor, MGTOW, ect. It’s what I want.

I wouldn’t worry about titles, brother.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Anonymous 24]

I think trying to define MGTOW in relation to this site is really simple, just go to the about page and read it. If you strive for that, you are MGTOW. Nowhere does it say that one should strive for it in relation to women only. So, I don’t think it is something that one should even “wonder” about. It is extremely straight forward. If there is a faction within this site that wishes to have something clarified about it, I have in the past, and would in the future, say that you should take that up with who runs this site.

[experiencedParticipant]

@beer‘s “Why should I make the same sacrifices in life I watched my grandfather make for his wife, when today’s women will make nowhere near the sacrifices my grandmother made for her husband for me?”
Beer hit it perfectly.

It’s bait and switch today i.e. you pay the old price and get beyond nothing in return.
You get a black hole regarding mental, physical, financial, and spiritual well being.
“What if I told you” when the devil tried to destroy Job he took away just about everything but his wife”
“Do you really think” it was for mercy??????? and Job’s response reminds me of, “I may not suffer often, but when I do, it’s with a wife.”
Ayn Rand (Ayn is pronounced Ine) said, “check your premises” To me, MGTOW means taking a step back mentally and checking myself on what I’m assuming with regard to….the LAYDEEZ and expanding this to include their effect when more than one man is involved.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

I do feel kinda let down when idiots start to arise from the MGTOW community, along with people exploiting and using MGTOW to get a quick buck (i.e. Sandman, Red Pill Philosophy).

But, I’m just going to head my own way. Honestly, I use this website to kinda complain and hear other people out, along with their stories.

[Anonymous 24]

Stargazer wrote:

I’ve also tossed out a few c~~~amamie ideas lately to see what people thought of them which may make me look crazy. To tell the truth, I’m not actually an anti-Zionist conspiracy theorist nor am I a traditional conservative trying to reform women so we can “go back” to some mythical golden age… and I’m definitely not going to get gay married.

This makes you an admitted troll. I am relatively new here, but I see why some do not like to interact with you, and come to think of it, I don’t see them around much anymore.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Anonymous wrote:

If you strive for that, you are MGTOW.

Well, only thing is, I am still as I was before I happened upon this site, and I have made no effort to change to conform to the site definition. I found MGTOW.com to be a place peopled by men with whom I share many opinions and some experiences, not a source of gospel or doctrine to tell me how to live. I am WAY older than this site or the term MGTOW.
Though I can respect your reading of the description on the site, I really don’t give a s~~~ what you think about my interpretation or my level of adherence to that description. I never have claimed to 100% toe any line defined by this site, or by any other.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Anonymous 24]

Theronius wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

If you strive for that, you are MGTOW.

Well, only thing is, I am still as I was before I happened upon this site, and I have made no effort to change to conform to the site definition. I found MGTOW.com to be a place peopled by men with whom I share many opinions and some experiences, not a source of gospel or doctrine to tell me how to live. I am WAY older than this site or the term MGTOW.
Though I can respect your reading of the description on the site, I really don’t give a s~~~ what you think about my interpretation or my level of adherence to that description. I never have claimed to 100% toe any line defined by this site, or by any other.

Good for you.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Anonymous wrote:

Good for you.

Yep!

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

I like Theronius.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Veniversum, sorry to hear about Rickman. He was one of the good ones.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Anonymous 29]

To leave the society or going monk is a personal choice even though it is tough, even extreme by other men’s standards.
How or where you live is not as important as how you go your own way. Going your own way is being your own boss
and minimizing any current social/gynocentric norms that may effect you.

I think that there is a perception that the entire social system we live in is gynocentric, but it is not. There are only degrees of it.
If you are a coal miner, does it mean that feminism is being forced upon you or are you working to get paid ? Does it effect you
when you are on a trawler 400 miles of the coast ? . . or flying a plane . . .or working in an office with bitches all over the place ? No.

You simply remove yourself mentally and physically from those situations to your own comfort level and what you see as good or
right for you. You are your own boss.
As for women . . . . they may or may not be part of your life, but never forget the price you most certainly will pay at the end of the day, have no doubt.
If you roll the dice and not think about the consequences or are not prepared, it’s your own f~~~ing fault, generally speaking.
You have been warned before and it still holds true now.

[AttonParticipant]

I’ve stated that a man can not be a MGHOW if he is married, in the military, in jail or an active member of a cult or organized religion based on the idea that a man can not choose his own way if he is bound by love, faith, law or contract to go someone else’s way.

You defined MGTOW pretty well spot on and if you live by what you have said above, then there is no actual debate to be had.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

We are, rebels, revolutionaries, libertarian, engineers, teachers, cops, firefighters, paramedics, retail, manufacturers, bankers, auto mechanics, technicians, politicians, marines, pilots, marketers, salesman, video gamers, inventors, construction workers, lawn care workers, historians, scientists, doctors, dentists, writers, artists, musicians, Computer I.t., business professionals.

We are all different.
We are all going our own way.
We are, “The Brotherhood.”

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[rorickParticipant 682]

Hey Doc its just not you even I get the same feeling sometimes.. i used to thing that MGHOW is someone who cuts all connections with a woman or have conversation with women only if its really needed but making sure it is very limited.. However, I haven been reading several posts on this forum by members saying they are dating a girl but saying won’t get married or having a girl who’s just a nice friend she sometimes gives me emotional support etc.. etc.. I always thought like dating a girl being a MGTOW just breaks its meaning like if you are gonna date a girl you obviously gonna listen to her s~~~ or pay for the date other wise you simply are not gonna get laid(if that’s your ultimate cause for being with a woman) cause from what i have understood from experience or read from here no women will sleep with you without you ever spending a penny or atleast helping her with other things like listening to her bulls~~~s, giving her emotional support etc.. which means you are literally wasting your time, energy and money for women which i though was against MGTOW.. But then i had to accept the fact that MGTOW means you can do whatever you wanted to do like you can have a girlfriend, spend for her, listen to her or even get married to her but live the life on your own terms( even-though that’s not possible once you are in a relationship but still).

Stargazer wrote:

My understanding of MGTOW is that it’s about men who are aware of the basic nature of women, their tactics and strategies for achieving their desires and objectives and the expectations and assumptions that they and society place upon us… and about rejecting all that and finding a new way to live where we spend our time, energy and resources on ourselves and the things that matter to us.

I believe that women are inherently deceptive about getting what they want from men… danger and excitement at first, then resources later. I believe they use shame, social pressure, the law and the threat of proxy violence to manipulate men into giving them what they want. I believe that they can not survive without men but refuse to recognize or acknowledge this fact and that the more men submit to them and give them what they want, the more they resent and, ultimately, hate men for doing so. I believe that interaction with women is dangerous and can (and often does) lead to personal, financial, social and legal ruin. Finally, I believe that feeding, clothing, supporting, attempting to woo, impress or entice a woman, hoping to explain, cooperate with or change a woman and, above all, trusting, loving and marrying a woman is futile at best and suicidal at worst.

I’ll add to this that I am emotionally, morally, psychologically, legally and financially independent and feel I have a reasonably firm grasp on understanding myself and other people, including the women I interact with.

^^ THis,..Actually you know what Doc you had just mirrord my views I am exact the way you had explained .. But one thing is that i never forced anything you had mentioned in to my life rather it came as natural for me.. because that’s how i have been living my whole life even before i heard of MGTOW and thats my nature .which means i’m a “MGHOWWW” Man Going His Own Way Without Women.. However most guys here had past relationships, some were even married but only later they turned to MGTOW therefore forcing them to live a “MGHOWWW” life is not fair and against MGTOW rule book.. I even have friends who somewhat knows the true nature of women but still wannna date and get married, to me he is still a MGTOW cause he’s doing things which he wanted to do..

At last, everybody is on his own, if it is good for you and makes you happy then go-ahead and do anything you like that is what MGTOW to me.!!

Are we deviating from what MGTOW used to be once when it started, to me yes somewhat (only my personal opinion).. Is this some kind of feminsits trick to polarize MGTOW and give it several meanings.. like a religion having different gods., so that they can divide us ,., !Don’t know for exact, but possible..,!

[guiParticipant 825]

Well Doc, I guess the beauty about MGTOW is that what unite us is that we all are fighting to survive in our own way while understanding the true nature of women. We live in a Crapsack World and we fight to stay free. Labels don’t matter that much what matters is that we are exchanging experiences here. As a Brazilian guy who thought we was the only one fighting to live on his own way, I’m glad I found this place where I can learn from more experienced people like you. I learn a lot with everyone here.

Pity and contempt are siblings. You only feel pity for those you consider weak.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Reading some of the responses in here are disturbing. From my perspective, It seems a lot of you are beginning to miss the old golden vag, and are now willing to once again submit yourselves to the almighty female. Either that or you are getting lonely and are suddenly yearning for a companion again. But as long as you say it under the guise of “MGTOW is not a title! We all go our own individual path!” then its OK, right? Sounds like a cop-out if you ask me.

Definitely pretty sad seeing some of the responses in here. I’m a little taken back by it all and don’t know what to think about some members here anymore. Not only are you empowering feminist lurkers and other women reading this topic, but you are also making a mockery of MGTOW and everything it stands for.

One thing for sure is that I am definitely alone on MY path. Prior to reading this topic I didn’t think I was though. Good luck to you all, I guess…

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

Reading some of the responses in here are disturbing. From my perspective, It seems a lot of you are beginning to miss the old golden vag, and are now willing to once again submit yourselves to the almighty female. Either that or you are getting lonely and are suddenly yearning for a companion again. But as long as you say it under the guise of “MGTOW is not a title! We all go our own individual path!” then its OK, right? Sounds like a cop-out if you ask me.
Definitely pretty sad seeing some of the responses in here. I’m a little taken back by it all and don’t know what to think about some members here anymore. Not only are you empowering feminist lurkers and other women reading this topic, but you are also making a mockery of MGTOW and everything it stands for.
One thing for sure is that I am definitely alone on MY path. Prior to reading this topic I didn’t think I was though. Good luck to you all, I guess…

Glad you could join the group discussion to tell us how you are a loner and are worried about the opinion of women.

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