STAR WARS EPVII The Force Awakens Review (spoilers)

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22557]

KingOfTheSea wrote:

Rey can never be the hero Luke was unless they turn her “I’m good at everything” into a major flaw, but the problem was they didn’t plant the seeds in this first film so it will now come off as unnatural.

Looks like I can going to have to see this movie. Because from what I have been reading, there are hints that might be the case. But, such writing can be very, very subtle. It is easy to miss if you don’t know what you are looking for in the story structure. There is always the off chance that might be the case. We can hope.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Not a good film according to RedPill Philosophy dude. it’s a s~~~ty film with a feminists agenda of course.

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Another review of the movie from another dude.

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Thank Christ people are finally calling it for what it is.

Jesus Marimba.

Fuck this planet.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Cap285 wrote:

He called it for what is and…..low and behold, he was called a misogynist on twitter.

That’s precisely my point.

Ladies, you don’t get to line up with us “geeks”, “losers” and “nerds” who can’t get laid (remember that, t~~~ts???) and expect to be CONGRATULATED for being fabulous.

Of COURSE he’s a “misogynist”……. because you’re now a loser StarWars geek fan who can’t get laid too!!

That’s how “equality:” works. Don’tcha just LOVE IT?

( Jesus Christ these people are so f~~~ing stupid )

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 29]

In Australian news, all you hear about it is how a great box office success it has been since it got released.
Personally, I hopes it plummets as fast as a pound of lead in my swimming pool.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Cap285 wrote:

Dude. Go over to YouTube and see what people are pulling out of their ass to defend Rey.

One guy said “Luke was strong non believer in the force”. I s~~~ you not.

Another favorite is how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

I have refuted both, of course.

What about young Anakin from Episode 1-3 (I think episode one)? The Force is an excuse why the impossible happens. “Wow, flying this is just like driving a land speeder!” Really?

I swear, the feminism elements in this movie is going to drive the MGTOWsphere to start chanting how episodes 1-3 blew away episode 7.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Cap285 wrote:

Dude. Go over to YouTube and see what people are pulling out of their ass to defend Rey.

One guy said “Luke was strong non believer in the force”. I s~~~ you not.

Another favorite is how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

I have refuted both, of course.

I’m really glad you posted that bit by Max Landis. I think it’s pretty funny because Landis goes out of his way to support feminism and whatnot, but he gets called a sexist the second he makes a valid point that doesn’t blindly support women as a whole. I really hope this disenchants him from the bulls~~~, but I doubt it.

I do think it’s funny how badly people want to defend such a bland protagonist that they try to throw Luke under the bus. I don’t doubt in the least that’s why they picked a girl with a pretty face. The argument isn’t about Luke, it’s about Rey and she sucks. Plain and simple.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Cap285 wrote:

Dude. Go over to YouTube and see what people are pulling out of their ass to defend Rey.

One guy said “Luke was strong non believer in the force”. I s~~~ you not.

Another favorite is how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

I have refuted both, of course.

What about young Anakin from Episode 1-3 (I think episode one)? The Force is an excuse why the impossible happens. “Wow, flying this is just like driving a land speeder!” Really?

I swear, the feminism elements in this movie is going to drive the MGTOWsphere to start chanting how episodes 1-3 blew away episode 7.

It was stupid for that, and the fact that a serious incident is resolved by slapstick.

Look! I’m accidentally flying the ship!
Look! I accidentally fired proton torpedoes into the ships main reactor!

Fuck this planet.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

KingOfTheSea wrote:

Cap285 wrote:

Dude. Go over to YouTube and see what people are pulling out of their ass to defend Rey.

One guy said “Luke was strong non believer in the force”. I s~~~ you not.

Another favorite is how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

I have refuted both, of course.

I’m really glad you posted that bit by Max Landis. I think it’s pretty funny because Landis goes out of his way to support feminism and whatnot, but he gets called a sexist the second he makes a valid point that doesn’t blindly support women as a whole. I really hope this disenchants him from the bulls~~~, but I doubt it.

I do think it’s funny how badly people want to defend such a bland protagonist that they try to throw Luke under the bus. I don’t doubt in the least that’s why they picked a girl with a pretty face. The argument isn’t about Luke, it’s about Rey and she sucks. Plain and simple.

Yeah. They’re magically forgetting that Luke flew in his spare time. Racing Biggs at dangerous speeds through Beggars Canyon blasting womp rats.

Obi-wan: I understand you’ve become quite a good pilot yourself.
Biggs: Luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim territories.
Red Leader: If you have half your fathers talent you’ll do fine.

Luke: It’s not impossible, I used to bulls-eye womp rats from my T-16 back home. They’re not much bigger than two meters.
Luke: I’ll be just like Beggars Canyon back home.

He went up with an entire squadron, had cover from Biggs, Wedge and Han. Then still needed a little encouragement from the spirit of Obi-wan.

Hurr durrr , how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

If it was Rey; she’d have flown up by herself, destroyed the squadron of TIE’s, beat Vader in a dogfight and fired the torpedoes long before the Death Star was in firing range. Zero casualties, zero excitement, zero drama.

Hooray.

Fuck this planet.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Cap285 wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

Cap285 wrote:

Dude. Go over to YouTube and see what people are pulling out of their ass to defend Rey.

One guy said “Luke was strong non believer in the force”. I s~~~ you not.

Another favorite is how did a farm boy blow up the Death Star?

I have refuted both, of course.

What about young Anakin from Episode 1-3 (I think episode one)? The Force is an excuse why the impossible happens. “Wow, flying this is just like driving a land speeder!” Really?

I swear, the feminism elements in this movie is going to drive the MGTOWsphere to start chanting how episodes 1-3 blew away episode 7.

It was stupid for that, and the fact that a serious incident is resolved by slapstick.

Look! I’m accidentally flying the ship!
Look! I accidentally fired proton torpedoes into the ships main reactor!

Think for a minute about Episode one and Anakin. Anakin manages to save the day, and what was the answer given? He was strong in the Force. It isn’t being competent, but the reality you can channel the Force. Actually, when it came to doing the shot in Episode 4, didn’t Luke also close his eyes and use The Force to pull off the shot? In the Star Wars movie, giving into The Force, is the message, it is why it The Force gets compared to God.

On this here, I have to ponder, if The Force is a bunch of sentient microbes that flow through everything, and work as a network, how does a laser blast get frozen in mid-air like it did in Episode 7. Oh, that was cool, on the surface, but how?

If I want to think about things deeper in Star Wars, it starts to really get stupid. Because it isn’t important to me, I don’t personally. However, I get a feeling if it was Finn who full manifested what Rey did, the MGTOWsphere wouldn’t of seen it at all. I get an impression the only time things are stupid and questionable is when they manifest in a woman or a woman character, in the MGTOWsphere. It is like, because you are so sick of Feminism, you decide to become the mirror image of it, and react the same way, just swap out men for women.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

However, I get a feeling if it was Finn who full manifested what Rey did, the MGTOWsphere wouldn’t of seen it at all. I get an impression the only time things are stupid and questionable is when they manifest in a woman or a woman character, in the MGTOWsphere. It is like, because you are so sick of Feminism, you decide to become the mirror image of it, and react the same way, just swap out men for women.

Except Episode VII is praised while the prequels were lambasted critically. Look, I understand the concern of becoming a mindless fanatic because it’s something I try to be aware of in myself daily, but the reason why there’s so much criticism here is because I can go to any Star Wars fan board and complain about the prequels and most people will agree with me, or at least we can have an open conversation about it. Most of Westernized society (at least on the Internet) won’t stand for a critique of a female character, though. If it were Finn that did the same thing, I’d still be able to go onto most discussion boards and most people would agree. But I’ve seen first hand what happens when you to try to do that with a female character outside of here and it doesn’t go over well.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

KingOfTheSea wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

However, I get a feeling if it was Finn who full manifested what Rey did, the MGTOWsphere wouldn’t of seen it at all. I get an impression the only time things are stupid and questionable is when they manifest in a woman or a woman character, in the MGTOWsphere. It is like, because you are so sick of Feminism, you decide to become the mirror image of it, and react the same way, just swap out men for women.

Except Episode VII is praised while the prequels were lambasted critically. Look, I understand the concern of becoming a mindless fanatic because it’s something I try to be aware of in myself daily, but the reason why there’s so much criticism here is because I can go to any Star Wars fan board and complain about the prequels and most people will agree with me, or at least we can have an open conversation about it. Most of Westernized society (at least on the Internet) won’t stand for a critique of a female character, though. If it were Finn that did the same thing, I’d still be able to go onto most discussion boards and most people would agree. But I’ve seen first hand what happens when you to try to do that with a female character outside of here and it doesn’t go over well.

I would consider this a valid concern. For myself, I see there is so much contention around SJWs and feminists now, I don’t feel a need to jump in at all with it, and just am focused on myself. I am trying to be able to get around in life, with as little flak as possible, and ghost with stuff. I am generally egalitarian for the most part also, so I try to address things as they are, and don’t see the sex/gender, just as things are. I just, with Star Wars, consider the Force to run amok now, and counted for everything.

This is how I do MGTOW. Other men can do MGTOW differently.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

how does a laser blast get frozen in mid-air like it did in Episode 7.

Laser? Laser??? I ain’t sayin’ nothin’….

If you liked the movie, RichardHutnik, just say you liked the movie. No-one is going to rip up your MGTOW membership. I was far more bothered by the rehashed plot and lack of suspense than by the female lead, whom I knew was going to be there. But since this is a MGTOW forum, and since much of her character flaws were based on the modern need to portray ‘strong independent kickass women’ in every role, that’s what’s going to be deconstructed on a forum like this.

As for constantly defending her with, “Anakin did it!”, I think we can safely call that one an argument from fallacy.

Luke manifested his latent force abilities through his piloting skills. He still needed huge amounts of training in pretty much every other area. Rey apparently needed NONE. That’s a badly written character.

I swear, the feminism elements in this movie is going to drive the MGTOWsphere to start chanting how episodes 1-3 blew away episode 7.

I don’t believe that for a moment. But tell me, hand on your heart, what affected you more – what gave you more of an emotional reaction? Han’s death, or the execution of Order 66?

Episode 3 WAS better than episode 7.

(That’s how you stir a pot).

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

I just got done seeing Episode VII, and it wasn’t what I thought it was going to be. I was hoping Luke would have more than 2 minutes in the movie. I was upset that they killed Solo off. On a scale of 1 – 10, I rate this movie a 4. I officially liked The Phantom Menace more.

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[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Stefan made a “The truth about Star Wars: TFA”

Did a quite good job on exposing, what it’s doing. Also he has done the truth on other movies too, such as, Frozen, these “truth about x movie”, is often better than the actual movie in question, lol.

[tripvanParticipant 193]

Burgundy wrote:

Stefan made a “The truth about Star Wars: TFA”

somehow didn’t catch that on his yt account, thanks for sharing this!

[tripvanParticipant 193]

Just thought I’d chime in with my opinion of the movie. The action scenes are riveting, and the character of Rey did not quite destroy the whole thing for me.

Now whilst she was really annoying to watch behave in those ways and act indeed as a Mary Sue, I think it is even more unbelievable to suggest that the half-jedi inherited trait from Leia, half-inherited again through Han Solo, could blow out into such a powerful, un-trained natural force reflex.

But that aside, I did not expect anything less from this character, so I feel that I was able to look past her and make a judgement on the rest of it. And here it is:

The movie is a fan fiction comedy. That is all. It revives surviving elements from the original trilogy, with humor and jokes aplenty to make us forget that the world had 30 years to come up with a satisfying revival of the original trilogy and this is the best we could do.

And how in the hell did Poe Dameron lose his jacket if he were strapped into his chair whilst ejected from the Tie fighter?

And these yt video deconstructions sure are a pleasure to watch, and they all bring up valid points for discussion, especially the topic of how uninspiring the story and the acting was, but in my mind the movie is just a fan fiction comedy. It is supposed to be stupid, not make sense and just be for the fun of it, like Spaceb~~~~.

When you think of it like Spaceb~~~~, it kind of makes a lot of sense that it does not fit into what one would expect from a Star Wars movie. You have Mary Sue who through no effort on her part can use force powers, whereas Luke struggled with it through three movies. The new world order, i mean first order, is all wearing very familiar yet different helmets. And the first time I saw Kylo Ren’s helmet I almost laughed, it looks like someone stapled a grill iron to an athletic cup. Is this seriously the new Darth Vader? Nah, it’s the new Dark Helmet. See? It isn’t all that different to a parody film.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Shiny wrote:

how does a laser blast get frozen in mid-air like it did in Episode 7.

Laser? Laser??? I ain’t sayin’ nothin’….

It was really cool, but WTF? I mean really. It ends up hovering there and then flies off.

If you liked the movie, RichardHutnik, just say you liked the movie. No-one is going to rip up your MGTOW membership. I was far more bothered by the rehashed plot and lack of suspense than by the female lead, whom I knew was going to be there. But since this is a MGTOW forum, and since much of her character flaws were based on the modern need to portray ‘strong independent kickass women’ in every role, that’s what’s going to be deconstructed on a forum like this.

There was very much of a rehash going on. I could argue it was done to get fans familiar with things again, which may be a cop-out. I certainly hope that is the case. It might be that Abrams is doing a paint-by-numbers thing with it.

As for constantly defending her with, “Anakin did it!”, I think we can safely call that one an argument from fallacy.

Luke manifested his latent force abilities through his piloting skills. He still needed huge amounts of training in pretty much every other area. Rey apparently needed NONE. That’s a badly written character.

The thing is that The Force is used to explain everything now, and it appears that is what is going on. If the entire universe here goes with the Force not requiring training, then that is what it is. Yes, it is bull, and too much reliance. As far as Anakin goes, I take Anakin as early signs of this overleaning on the force. Anakin in Episode 1 and 2 was poorly acted, if not also poorly written. Anakin’s horrible acting, plus Jar-Jar, is why fans of Star Wars don’t even want to think of episode 1-3.

I swear, the feminism elements in this movie is going to drive the MGTOWsphere to start chanting how episodes 1-3 blew away episode 7.

I don’t believe that for a moment. But tell me, hand on your heart, what affected you more – what gave you more of an emotional reaction? Han’s death, or the execution of Order 66?

Episode 3 WAS better than episode 7.

(That’s how you stir a pot).

In my case, neither really did. I knew Han’s was going to die, because I looked ahead, and Order 66 I knew of. Jar-Jar and Anakin end up so much undermining Episodes 1-3 because of how badly they both were done. I did Episode 3 watchable though. I did also like the political talk in them.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[EskimospyParticipant 841]

This Star Wars film hadn’t really triggered the anti feminist in me too much. Although I think that it would have been more interesting if Rey had more vulnerabilities like Luke had. But I didn’t make a big deal out of it. Really it brought more of the nerd out of me. I have a theory that Rey is the daughter of Luke Skywalker and I have a reason to believe that. She’s a natural ace pilot like Luke and Anakin. She has a connection to the force. She started out as a lowlife in the desert like Anakin and Luke. She has an intimate connection with Lukes old lightsaber. I really believe that Luke Skywalker is her father making Kylo Ren her cousin. I can just picture it. Kylo Ren “No! I am your cousin!. Rey “Noooooo!” but I agree that this Rey character is way too close to perfect and that she’s a feminist wet dream. But still, I’m not making a real big deal about it. I say, the babies want their bottles.

[tripvanParticipant 193]

Eskimospy wrote:

I have a theory that Rey is the daughter of Luke Skywalker and I have a reason to believe that.

Wow, certainly this implication was so strong I did not even realise that it was not explicitly stated in the plot.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

tripvan wrote:

Eskimospy wrote:

I have a theory that Rey is the daughter of Luke Skywalker and I have a reason to believe that.

Wow, certainly this implication was so strong I did not even realise that it was not explicitly stated in the plot.

Apparently there would be a need for a reveal somewhere on. That is likely coming, so they wait on it. It hasn’t been established, but one can guess that it is coming.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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