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I agree with you 100% Sandals. Mexicans and other minorities come to America, not to embrace it, but to exploit it at the expense of hard working Americans. Also you got another +1 from me.
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I’m f~~~ing fed up with all immigrants, legal or not, because I’m struggling competing for a job, which the Mexican will likely get over me and that’s not fair. Why should I be out of work and living on disabilities for years, while some brown skin who can’t speak English is working and living well? I hate having to hear that Spanish gibberish they like to loudly converse with. I’m sick of hearing on the phone answering machine (press 1 for English, [gibberish]). I’m sick of foreigners feeling entitled to live on free welfare (money, food, college, healthcare, housing). That money should be for Americans citizens only who are on hard times.
Trump was right last night when he said that immigrants are stealing our jobs and driving down wages while Americans are struggling.
Because of this, I learned to hate non Americans who live and work in America because I’m struggling to get a job. No one who wants to work and make a living for himself should be struggling as hard and as long as I have. Kick the Mexicans (legal or not) out!We can’t do that bro. We might have to treat people fairly and not put men in Prison. I mean who is going to pay all that sweet tax money if we don’t have to actually treat the MEN HERE that we DO HAVE good or Fairly?
Brother , where about do you live at and what is your trade? (Don’t answer that here) Maybe there is a solution.
If not, This post just reminds me of this:
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
The Funniest thing about the wall, is watching all those Immigrants working on it. No really, the guys talking about how contract workers get f~~~ed over is SPOT ON!
Look, you think this whole Feminist system and courts is not SPONSORED BY BUSINESS? Why do you think these subcontractors exist?
See, if you can pay them, they are out of the system. And these men know that as a “Independent Contractor” they get the money directly. I spoke about this in “Getting your Power back” Hell I spelled it out.
Now as for the working stiff out there? He gets a Double dose of f~~~ed. And you know what? Sooner or later, those factory jobs are going to be automated. Just Like Amazon has done and a host of other business.
The only thing that really stops such bulls~~~ is Trade unions. And things trades like an electrician. That gives you some safety as long as the STATE can not pull your Man card. (there is a way around that as well)
The real deal here is that YOU are a f~~~ing slave if you do or you don’t. You are still being f~~~ed over.
IF more people got their head out of their ass, and saved for an early retirement, and got the hell out of this “John Doe” circle jerk theory of all things leading to itself, you would see that due to your laziness of thinking you have no choice, is the very same reason you are stuck.
I hate to break this to you, but at the end of the day, either learn to use others, or they will use you. You have to be willing to take the risks, or deal with your lott in life.
Carnage (I use him since his about the only dude here that has Carbon Fiber for skin,) complains about his earning potential in Spain. Well, if you follow the rules, that is what is going to happen.
You need come to terms with the fact that you need to either take advantage of people, or be willing to play the system to get what you want.
Just like Blue pill men, the follow rules. Rules are MADE to be broken. Fences are just warning signs. Walls are only to keep the people inside them inside.
This problem has and easy solution, but we are all too lazy and to moral to face that.
And in turn, we REWARD people for being lazy and irresponsible due to our bleeding hearts.
And at the same time, we are so quick to not care about one another to do anything about it.
You see, JOHN DOE. Everything is a f~~~ing infinite circle jerk. The second a fix is put in place, the system corrects itself.
And as soon as there is good, bad comes along. And as soon as it gets bad, the good runs away only to complete the cycle all over again.
The system is rigged from the top down and no one wants to fix it since it the only one that works. Humans are not able to overcome that.
Sometimes, you do need to steal the candy from children. But if you knew it was going to give you Diabetes, you would think twice.
Wall, no wall, why are they coming? That’s right! There seems to be something good here. Why can’t they have it there? Ask yourself that question and get a clear answer first.
The whole entire system is there to play you. And you are not suppose to know about it or talk about it. Just keep working Goyim. We all have to keep this game up till you get tired of playing.
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
Build he wall. I think the silent majority is Pro Wall and as much as the liberal media tries to brainwash us the majority wants the wall.
The Democrats want illegal immigration b/c these are Dem voters. It is simple. “We will let you in, give you free stuff – so vote for us!”. It is buying votes.
The cost to provide healthcare to Illegals as well as other freebies is Uuuuge. So building the wall will curtail this wasting of money and pay for itself.
LOL. The US is overpopulated, as it is.
In this article:
https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/us-could-be-worlds-most-populous-country
written by (Joseph Chamie, former director of the United Nations Population Division, recently stepped down as research director at the Center for Migration Studies. He is the lead author of the groundbreaking, seminal study, “Replacement Migration: Is It a Solution to Declining and Ageing Populations?”)From first paragraphs in the article:
NEW YORK: The United States could aim to have largest population in the world before the end of the century, thus ensuring its power.
The US now has a population of 316 million – third largest after China, 1.36 billion, and India, 1.28 billion – and could aim for 1.6 billion, simply by opening wide its doors to immigration from across the globe as it did during most of its 237-year history.)This globalist douche-bag actually advocates for the US aiming to have 1.6 billion people.
What the US and the West actually needs is a mass-genocide of all globalists. We need to roll out guillotines, and start lopping the heads off of elites. A few hundred thousand might suffice: Ivy League c~~~s. U of Berkeley c~~~s. Silicon Valley/San Francisco/Mountain View c~~~s. Wall Street c~~~s. K-Street c~~~s.
Forget steel and concrete being used to build a Wall along Mexican border. Built a wall from human skulls. Start with the globalists who sell out their own people.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
USA@@@@@@@@@@@@@CONCERTINA WIRE@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |100 yards Death Zone |@@@@@@@@@@@@@CONCERTINA WIRE@@@@@@@@@@@@@@MEXICO
In the Death Zone, either use “legal” smart mines (Spider M7, etc.) or give Border Patrol agents $10,000 for each invader “dispatched.”
Explain this along the fence on the Mexico side with thousands of signs. Cross this fence, meet Jesus.+100 All that would probably cost less than the wall. Hell, I’d volunteer to string the wire, shoot the invaders, whatever.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. If they are such hard workers, they can go back to their own country and work hard. They don’t need to be here.
So, if there is a better job in California than the one I work at now, should armed thugs prevent me from crossing the line between the States and taking it?
You either believe in ‘free association’ and ‘competing states’ or you don’t.
Should all the immigrants that built America just ‘stayed in Europe and worked hard there’? Or starved in Ireland during the potato famine? Were those 1.5MM immigrants also a ‘security risk’?
Since I have actually BEEN in border states and border towns, AND in factories where these illegals work, in the last year no less, I think I am familiar with what I am discussing.
Absolutely nothing you say is correct or makes sense. Give automatic citizenship to Chicoms? Dude, you must have no experience at all in the real world. I doubt you have every been to another country or taken a real history course.
‘Chicoms’? That sounds like something out of the 1950’s. The Chinese government recently CRACKED DOWN on student communists AND labor protesters. China is communist in name only; it is essentially State Capitalism within a framework of communist party rule. It is a corrupt system with very indirect elections (you vote only for local People’s Congresses and they vote for the higher up henchmen — think crony capitalism x 10 — if the leaders actually believed in Marxism, they would CERTAINLY not crack down on ideological student Marxists OR allow private companies any autonomy whatsoever). As for ‘no experience in the world’, I’ve met and known hundreds of foreign national students and technical workers over the years both in University and then in the decades since — from Asia, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Have you?
The foreign nationals I am referring to are scientists and engineers — they become inventors, develop technologies, and bring innovation and growth. Technical workers. Bridge designers, architects, engineers. They all speak english and are self-sufficient. So yes, I’d like to see them offered easy citizenship with no quotas.
Incidentally, the Asian ones generally favored liberal democracy and capitalism, albeit they tended to be traditional/paternalistic/in favor of a strong State and EXTREMELY tough on crime (tough on crime being a good thing in my mind).
As for ‘not wanting to do the job’, my experience with MOST youth, is they are LAZY. They do NOT want to get their hands dirty, work outside, in the cold, long hours, night shifts, etc. And can’t get away from the cell phones for more than 15 minutes.
As for gangs, there are all sorts of ethnic gangs; black, white, hispanic. If you want to reduce the problem, LEGALIZE DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION. It is no coincidence that organized crime grew tremendously, during prohibition. This is cause and effect.
They steal at the first chance they get, and they are violent criminals
Look at the murder rate heat map of the contintental US. Are the border states the highest or the lowest? How do rural rates compare to urban? What conclusions did you draw from examining the map? http://www.thecaliforniapost.com/united-states-murder-map/
Or drill down to border towns. Don’t trust biased interpretations. Look at the raw data, and apply critical thinking. This map is worth ten jackass commentators from CNN, MSNBC, or FOX News who make s~~~ up. You may find it interesting, when you examine link — the area of the country I reside in, the Midwest, has SUBSTANTIALLY higher murder rates, than the border States I travel to on business.
You have to understand the dynamics of immigration. The economic migrants are the ones with the courage and drive, to go to a foreign country to work and make more, to improve their lives. They are ‘go getters’ from their respective countries. That is why the employment participation rates are so high among BOTH illegal AND legal immigrants (though it is even higher for illegals).
They sure as hell weren’t ‘stealing’ any jobs.
There are a variety of factors to consider first.
To assess the situation realistically you have to divide immigrants up. Certain groups are hard workers and are an asset. Others are vermin. They aren’t all the same.
It’s also true that politicians controlled by big business encouraged immigration in order to obtain cheap labour and higher profits. They sold the country out.
And of course, the globalists simply want to destroy the place, using mass immigration as a weapon.
However …
The truth is that the typical UK millennial doesn’t want to do anything except laze around, smoking dope all day and dreaming of being ‘in a band’. Some (usually female, but you knew that), may obtain non-jobs in the public sector or some other such bulls~~~, but that’s it.
They don’t wan’t jobs.
I recently went on a mathematics course at a local college. Of the 14 on the course, only 2 were British (this in a town with 95% unemployment). The rest were immigrants. Without them, the course would not have run.
After 70 years of socialism the British are addicted to the handout culture.
On top of that, they still think that there’s an Empire (hence the never ending mention of Spitfires and Dunkirk in the press), or that the Unions still run the country. They think the world owes them a living and that they shouldn’t have to compete.
I’m hard on immigration, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see the other, more unpleasant side of the coin.
They sure as hell weren’t ‘stealing’ any jobs.
There are a variety of factors to consider first.
To assess the situation realistically you have to divide immigrants up. Certain groups are hard workers and are an asset. Others are vermin. They aren’t all the same.Absolutely. Take the Mariel boat life. About 125,000 immigrants from Cuba came into Florida in 1980. Fidel Castro chose many to go; about 20,000 were from mental institutions and prisons that he emptied. In the end, about 80% of those, approximately, assimilated. The other 20% were a menace — costing money to house in prisons and institutions. That is an extraordinary case, but illustrative of the point.
I also dislike giving preference to family members — if you’re going to limit numbers, do it on MERITS or charge a BOND, and if somebody messes up — commits crimes, for instance — bond money is lost. I also dislike allowing political refugees with poor likelihood of assimilation in.
They sure as hell weren’t ‘stealing’ any jobs.
There are a variety of factors to consider first.
To assess the situation realistically you have to divide immigrants up. Certain groups are hard workers and are an asset. Others are vermin. They aren’t all the same.
It’s also true that politicians controlled by big business encouraged immigration in order to obtain cheap labour and higher profits. They sold the country out.
And of course, the globalists simply want to destroy the place, using mass immigration as a weapon.
However …
The truth is that the typical UK millennial doesn’t want to do anything except laze around, smoking dope all day and dreaming of being ‘in a band’. Some (usually female, but you knew that), may obtain non-jobs in the public sector or some other such bulls~~~, but that’s it.
They don’t wan’t jobs.
I recently went on a mathematics course at a local college. Of the 14 on the course, only 2 were British (this in a town with 95% unemployment). The rest were immigrants. Without them, the course would not have run.
After 70 years of socialism the British are addicted to the handout culture.
On top of that, they still think that there’s an Empire (hence the never ending mention of Spitfires and Dunkirk in the press), or that the Unions still run the country. They think the world owes them a living and that they shouldn’t have to compete.
I’m hard on immigration, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see the other, more unpleasant side of the coin.Amazing. I agree with every point here. It is true, the low hanging fruit principal is at work here. Strong men create good times, etc… and we’re on the decline end of the stick.
So, if there is a better job in California than the one I work at now, should armed thugs prevent me from crossing the line between the States and taking it?
You don’t know the difference between a state and the country?
A constitutional amendment enumerates a citizen’s right to travel freely.
Should all the immigrants that built America just ‘stayed in Europe and worked hard there’? Or starved in Ireland during the potato famine? Were those 1.5MM immigrants also a ‘security risk’?
They were Europeans. They were not unassimilatable. Their parents made SURE they learned and spoke English and became Americans. Europeans came here to become Americans, not to get on welfare.
The immigrants you speak of came through Ellis Island, were checked for background and diseases. Customs didn’t let in security risks or alien cultures. Customs asked why they came, and then were thrown to the wolves to make it or break it. They didn’t get any welfare or free medical treatment.
Why am I giving this millennial a basic f~~~ing history lesson about America? What on Earth are you people learning in school these days? My goodness… This is basic knowledge. BASIC, I tell you.
Sheesh.
Since I have actually BEEN in border states and border towns, AND in factories where these illegals work, in the last year no less, I think I am familiar with what I am discussing.
An argument from personal experience? The word “I” no less than FOUR times in one sentence, to make a rational argument. And a “mans” name “Frank” in your profile. Hmm… I smell tuna.
‘Chicoms’? That sounds like something out of the 1950’s.
You’re age-shamming me, because I know more than you do? Tuna. I am sure of it. All your tactics are girl tactics. Smoked you out. You’re a girl.
People from the 1950s knew the difference between a country and a state.
The Chinese government recently CRACKED DOWN on student communists AND labor protesters.
Xi also murdered all his rivals when he came into power. But you don’t know about that, because you’re a psuedo-intellectual pretending like you’re not still in school.
Anyway, you are referring to the Marxist education Xi reintroduced into the universities, which trains students to protest government for redress of poor working conditioning, which they did, so Xi is cracking down on them.
That only proves you don’t know a f~~~ing thing about communism or communist regimes. You’re probably a social-sciences major and you think communism is GREAT!
China is communist in name only; it is essentially State Capitalism within a framework of communist party rule.
You are two things
1.) completely ignorant on any and all things related to Asia, so just stop talking. Stop. Really…Stop.
2.) a parrot. Congratulations, you are taking a class in school about China. You can repeat what a professor or CNN says.
The problem is, when you discuss issues with someone who knows what they are talking about, you are uncovered for the idiot you are. That’s ok. Everybody plays the fool, and I did when I was you age as well.
I keep telling myself I am not going to get angry when I visit this website, but I just can’t get over how arrogant these young folks are.
As for ‘no experience in the world’, I’ve met and known hundreds of foreign national students and technical workers over the years both in University and then in the decades since — from Asia, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Have you?
You are most definitely NOT in your 40s. Maybe you are 25. If you are older, that is really scary. But I don’t believe it.
You really want to start a geographic p~~~ing match with me?
It’s like, the less these millennials know, the more they tout their genius. It’s so hard to watch this generation go down like this. It breaks my heart.
I hate our politicians for what they have done to our education system.
The foreign nationals I am referring to are scientists and engineers — they become inventors, develop technologies, and bring innovation and growth. Technical workers. Bridge designers, architects, engineers. They all speak english and are self-sufficient.
You mean like that bridge that collapsed in Florida and killed those innocent people? Or how about all those Amtrack derailments?
You’re nuts. The light and heavy industry from 50 years ago was much better. Products these days are crap. ABSOLUTE CRAP. You don’t know what you’re taking about. Clothes used to be made of cotton, now they are made of polyester, which is a fancy way of saying plastic. Yea, you are wearing PLASTIC. You can’t buy a broom without it breaking in two days. Computer applications have no QA. Cars are constantly getting recalled. There’s lead in the water in Flint. Toxic spills all over the place. You’re living on a different planet then me.
So yes, I’d like to see them offered easy citizenship with no quotas.
This sentence says it all. The globalist indoctrination is complete. They have actually gotten an entire generation of youth to willfully self-destruct their own society.
Incidentally, the Asian ones generally favored liberal democracy and capitalism, albeit they tended to be traditional/paternalistic/in favor of a strong State
In favor of a strong state is matriarchal and modern, not patriarchal or traditional.
Many Asians these days are spies. There are spies everywhere. You don’t know understand when Xi is doing.
As for ‘not wanting to do the job’, my experience with MOST youth, is they are LAZY. They do NOT want to get their hands dirty, work outside, in the cold, long hours, night shifts, etc. And can’t get away from the cell phones for more than 15 minutes.
So the solution is to take them out of school and put them to work. School is an antiquated relic of Prussian times. Teens can learn everything on their own now with the very tools you just mentioned. They are being bred to be lazy, by a school system that seeks to defer adulthood because teachers want cushy jobs, high salaries, and summers off. School does not in any way benefit the student. It’s forced corporate slavery and indoctrination at their own expense, and your globalist ideas are proof of that. School is a tool of the devil. Anyone who sends his children there gets what he deserves.
As for gangs, there are all sorts of ethnic gangs; black, white, hispanic. If you want to reduce the problem, LEGALIZE DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION. It is no coincidence that organized crime grew tremendously, during prohibition. This is cause and effect.
This is more complex then what you have written. The Clintons and the Bushes brought in drugs with the See Eye Hey through mena airport. You need to take about a good solid ten years learning about real history if you want to delve into these things. Unfortunately, your generation is too far gone, and it does not appear there is any way to stop the collapse. Maybe with the grandpa dead now, Trump can take down the whole political system, but I am not holding my breath.
Look at the murder rate heat map of the contintental US. Are the border states the highest or the lowest? How do rural rates compare to urban? What conclusions did you draw from examining the map? http://www.thecaliforniapost.com/united-states-murder-map/
It’s a deceptive map. On that map, Alaska has three murders but is deep red. But then again, why would the Eff Bee Eye be deceptive?
If you are going to cite a map like that to prove that illegals are not a crime problem, then you need to read this book:
Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences
You may find it interesting, when you examine link — the area of the country I reside in, the Midwest, has SUBSTANTIALLY higher murder rates, than the border States I travel to on business.
You’re completely wrong. Murders of illegals goes unreported.
You have to understand the dynamics of immigration.
Your condescension leaves me no room to be gentle with you…wait for it…
The economic migrants are the ones with the courage and drive, to go to a foreign country to work and make more, to improve their lives. They are ‘go getters’ from their respective countries. That is why the employment participation rates are so high among BOTH illegal AND legal immigrants (though it is even higher for illegals).
They are not “go-getters”. You are brainwashed. I am telling you, you are brainwashed. It’s called tough love. Maybe you’re not a girl, but you are certainly pussified from our dumbed-down education system.
Yes, their lives are greatly improved because we have TOILET SEATS in this country, free welfare, free healthcare, water that doesn’t give you dysentery, and not all of our government is run by violent drug cartels (Yet). Mexicans come here to reconquer this country. I already told you that but you’re so damn lazy, like your peers you describe, you just say the same thing and don’t do any research on your own.
In El Salvador, the gangs come to you and threaten you and literally FORCE you to join them, to run drugs… to kill, and if you don’t , they threaten to kill your whole family. So it’s either join a gang, get your family killed, or escape into America.
Let me explain something to your gentle self. To survive in this world requires VIOLENCE. VIOLENCE is a necessary part of life. These people can not come here! They must fight in their own countries to overthrow their systems and cartels, just like we will be forced to fight when the SHTF here. Somebody has to die! Do you understand? That’s ow life works. And I prefer it not be me and my loved ones, so these donkey-f~~~ers needs to get sent either back from where they came, or to the gulag. YOUR ancestors died for you to give you THIS land. Now be grateful, and STOP giving it away.
And this dumbf~~~ery of a thread is why I will never go to the US, to spend my hard earned cash.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
And this dumbf~~~ery of a thread is why I will never go to the US, to spend my hard earned cash.
We don’t need your cash. After all, we’re only 22 trillion dollars in dept……………..
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
I know we are not all US citizen’s here, but I’d love to know what thoughts are regarding funding for a US Southern Border wall.
With Trump in office i am against any funding for his Border wall especially with his 3 plus week shutdown going on over it. I am fine with increased Border security but the wall i believe is not effective plus too expensive (when People will just continue to dig under it, fly over it, go around it etc).
I want something done that it is concrete and measurable
Actually it turned out to be concrete and Mexico was gonna pay for it now which a trade deal with Mexico will somehow pay for it and if it ever got built the American tax payer would pay for it, and this ignores that the wall is supposed to be steel now.
Now for the next guy
I’m f~~~ing fed up with all immigrants, legal or not, because I’m struggling competing for a job, which the Mexican will likely get over me and that’s not fair
That is because Business profits off of hiring Illegal Aliens or those who work for less then you will, and doing that alongside shipping the Jobs off to China, or Mexico, or Vietnam means there are less good Jobs back here. I think you are aiming at the wrong target here diverting your attention away from those who profit in the Billions to send your Job overseas to someone they can pay far less then here. And when it comes to Immigrants when did your Family arrive in America? if it is before the American Indians then your ass is decendent of the same People who took someones Job away (especially if you are Irish, Italian, Polish).
I hate having to hear that Spanish gibberish they like to loudly converse with. I’m sick of hearing on the phone answering machine
If you were an Indian in 1642 id have no problem with that but it is likely you come from Immigrants and your Native Language was different then American English.
Kick the Mexicans (legal or not) out!
Let’s cede California, Texas and other southern States to their rightful owner (Mexico) and get out then!
I can only respond to one more Gringo while i am at it
Or how about them drug dealers hanging out in their spanish only restaurants only, in the spanish only strip with stores with spanish only signs.
I need proof a place is Spanish only by discrimination against non Hispanics rather then the sign is Spanish (which does not count if you go on about how Spics are wetbacks who need to learn English in their own Stores while seeing if they discriminate against a White Person).
The judge, yes JUDGE, who gave Trump trouble during Trump’s campaign, who had the Trump University case
Which does not make the case not valid as Trump University was still a fraud.
This is a concerted effort to destroy our civilization
Yes those evil Mexicans will destroy our great White Civilization made by White People for White People (and lets forget the Indians existed)!
Give automatic citizenship to Chicoms?
Of course we can’t allow our White Civilization to have dirty Chinks in it, obiviously Chink equals Mao or Pol pot regardless of evidence because we White People feel as such and feelings is all that counts.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
The border agent (frankly the only people I believe right now as it relates to this SNAFU) say that in sections where a wall was built the illegal passage has dropped to nothing and where this is no wall 90% of the illegals enter. So how do you argue a wall will not work?
And if walls don’t work, why did Obozo just build a Uuuuge wall around his $8MM dollar mansion in DC?
The border agent (frankly the only people I believe right now as it relates to this SNAFU) say that in sections where a wall was built the illegal passage has dropped to nothing and where this is no wall 90% of the illegals enter. So how do you argue a wall will not work?
And if walls don’t work, why did Obozo just build a Uuuuge wall around his $8MM dollar mansion in DC?Walls work. Period.
The problem is not the wall, is the arrogance of people, who happens to be behind the wall.
I am all for building it, as no one should be an illegal immigrant in any country of this planet. Adapt to the place you are going to, become even more patriotic than them, learn the language and embrace the culture, but never forget your roots, or where you came from.I get that illegal immigration is tearing the US appart, but it is NOT by getting rid of ALL immigrants (despite some of them being legal, and they do contribute to the society in question) that the problem will be solved. The problem will be solved whent the Welfare State is finally dead and gone, including for US citizens. Make it or break it, save for your retirement or go broke when you are older.
Nobody needs a “safety net”. Nobody is entitled to one, too.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Build it.
All nations should have physical barriers in place.
The common mistaken theme I read in these conversations is that people equate mass migration with immigration.
Crossing a border into another established Country (not a state/province/territory within said country) without proper due process or respect(?) of the laws/culture of the “new lands”.
Immigration is legal, acceptable, has rules, regulations, expectations of assimilation and self sufficiency, and does NOT have “free” perks paid for by the already overtaxed citizens of the receiving “host” nation. Whereas migration (read illegal immigration) does not, and forces the citizens of the new country to pay for the economic/social/legal demands of the hordes.
What is happening now is rather than emigrating from a home nation, and immigrating to a new culturally similar nation, entities like the f~~~ing U.N are demanding that mass uncontrolled migration of culturally dissimilar and outright incompatible peoples be allowed to traverse the globe and quiet literally destroy the culture/societies of a host nation of their choice.
Do you ever wonder why muslims dont emigrate to other muslim nations, or Asian, or Africans to similar nations or are refused entry to like nations?How many born and bred legal citizens of Canada and the U.S.A have migrated across the 49th and abused the “system” and not assimilated into the almost identical culture of each nation?
If I decide I want to emigrate from Canada and Immigrate to the U.S.A or Europe, I fill out documents, have a medical done, get any and all inoculations required, pay a couple hundred/thousand dollars in fees, go through a security screening, and sit back and wait for a bit. If I am found to be inadmissible due to medical/criminal/political/cultural/economic reason, I cant emigrate (leave) Canada and enter a foreign nation. If I take it upon myself and enter any other nation illegally I will be picked up sooner or later. If I am lucky I will be incarcerated, fined, deported, and receive a lifetime ban from entering said nation again. Except for in Canada, The U.S.A, Australia, New Zealand, Europe, and possibly a few other nations, I would most likely never be found alive if i tried that.I would add that we now have a resurgence of diseases that were eradicated in the “western world” due to the uncontrolled migration of “people”.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
I get that illegal immigration is tearing the US appart, but it is NOT by getting rid of ALL immigrants (despite some of them being legal, and they do contribute to the society in question) that the problem will be solved.
There are exceptions of course, but the majority who want a wall are not against legal immigration. I’m not sure where you got that information.
Regarding whether a wall will work or not, no one is saying it will be an impenetrable barrier. It will be a significant deterrent, and discourage people from attempting to enter illegally. It will not end all illegal immigration. Yes, it will need to be watched (as the border is already watched somewhat) and will need to be maintained. I personally am disappointed that this seems to be the only deterring measure on the table. I’m hopefully that it will be a first step in finally getting a handle on the issue and having a real solution after decades of kicking the can down the road.
As for whether or not illegal immigrants do work that citizen will not do…there is some truth to that. I’d argue that it’s a somewhat circular argument because citizen won’t do the work because illegal immigrants are here to do the work. A citizen can’t do construction work because there is an illegal immigrant who will do the work at a cost below minimum wage. If a construction company hired a citizen to do that work, he would be forced to raise his rates and become uncompetitive in the market. The citizen would not be as productive either since he does not speak Spanish like his other workers, and he will not have the same work ethic. Why doesn’t he have the work ethic, because society doesn’t train him with the right work ethic and puts in welfare safeguards and such that are more appealing than hard labor. The illegal immigrant doesn’t have these safeguards, at least not to the same extent. It’s not hard to deduce that if there never were illegal immigrants to do hard labor, Americans would have never adapted to be so bad at hard labor themselves.
And I recognize that illegal immigrants are now a vital part of the US economy. Removing them immediately would be devastating to several markets, leaving tons of Citizens without work. Homes and food would no longer be affordable to many. Disaster. There definitely needs to be a slow process of weaning off our dependence on illegal labor. But it has to start somewhere. I am not a fan of amnesty, but I’m not a fan of self-destruction based on principle either.
Deterring new illegal immigrants from coming is a step in the right direction. Not a solution, as a solution needs to take place over the course of a decade at least, but it’s a start. It needs to be followed up with better immigration laws and guest worker programs, e-verify, tax on money transfers out of the country, decreasing foreign aid that doesn’t fix issues, no sanctuary cities.
Ok. Then do it.
Two things have changed in immigration since pre 1960’s:
1 – Before immigrants (even if they came illegally) loved the US and wanted to assimilate and take pride in being a US Citizen. Now immigrants hate the US and still want to come.
2 – Pre 1960s immigrants came to the US for a better opportunity. Now these immigrants come wanting a hand out. Welfare didn’t exist before the 60’s, so if you immigrated to the US you had to stand on your own two feet. LBJ fked that up.
So you now you have Anti US immigrants beating the door down to get in and hate us and oh, once they arrive they want free s~~~.
Handreds of thousans years ago, people from South, Cro-Mangons, had came on the European lands and supplanted the locals, Neanderthals.
The history repeats. Looks like this world works this way.Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
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