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In several Youtube videos, as well as in this forum, I repeatedly find posts arguing in a manner that uses shaming language for women who have many changing sex partners. I have strong concerns that this might lead into a direction that does not suit our needs that good. I would appreciate your opinions about this, but please do me a favor and read what my concern is all about:
As a matter or fact mother nature has implemented a sexual bahavior into our minds.
In nature, nobody really knows who is the father. Now in nature, without our state with all it’s laws, women have a much higher investment into their offspring then men. Women are pregnant for 9 months and then raise the kids many years. Men olny need to invest a few minutes to impregnate a woman.
When women are younger and more sexually attractive, they tend to jump from alpha to alpha on their quest to gene shop. When they get older they tend to bond closer with a provider type of man, that they try to push into a supporting position. In a natural environment, women would have kids by the time they bond with a provider. In our days they use birth control, and often don’t bring offspring to the table when they get into the “marrying-age”.
Because outside of our current sociological system, impregnating a female just takes a man a few minutes, evolution has implemented a sexuality into us men that pushes us towards spreading our genes across as many women as possible. We also have the predisposition to tie to a woman that we are awaiting good offspring from, which would get us into the role of the male provider.
So that’s our evolution given sexuality. So, now came in the church and gave us marriage. And passed the rule “no sex before marriage”. That was the old rule. Then came birth controll, and women then started to have sex a lot. It was no problem, because no offspring evolved.
Now if we go ahead shaming women for being sexually active and call them names like “cum dumpster”, it will create a pressure on women to be less sexually active. This will result in women being less active and us having less pussy in the long run.
For my part, I am really happy that women tend to get more slutty. Using condoms is the key here.What about you? Do we really want to push women to hold back their golden vaginas even more? That would mean we have to get into those vicious marriage contracts before we get any. This can’t be our aim, can it?
/forums/topic/on-slut-shaming-and-mgtow/
That is a link to a thread where this has already been talked about. Here is a response to this question from KeyMaster
From KeyMaster: /forums/topic/on-slut-shaming-and-mgtow/#post-1626
Fascinating question. Welcome(!) and thanks for dropping it. (and joining!)
It’s important to understand why “slut shaming” exists. It exists for a specific reason.
In order for a man to enjoy many sexual partners, it requires A LOT of work.
• Many years at the gym + an impressive amount of dedication.
• Patience. For he is more attractive to women as he ages and establishes himself after EARNING his way out of worthlessness.
• Business, professional and financial success.
• “Social proofing”
• Assets and resources
• Social, economic and/or political power
• Fame
• A fancy car or two and his own home
… you get the idea.In order for a woman to enjoy many sexual partners, all that’s required is the willingness – and to not be a land whale. Even being slim requires no real effort, compared to a man. She just needs to keep the fork out of her mouth.
Consensual sex only takes place when a WOMAN wants it to.
And all it takes for that to happen, is her consent.
A man cannot simply consent in order to make sex happen, and that is the key difference.This is why men are revered for enjoying many sexual partners – and women are “slut shamed” for it. Because he must bring infinitely more to the table. Even more importantly, women CULTIVATE this themselves. The more she expects a man to do (and have) in order to get laid, the MORE he will be revered and respected for enjoying many women. The LESS that is required from her, the less she can be “respected”. Therefore, “slut shaming” can never go away because women PREFER it this way.
When the criteria for sex (and the price of vagina) is as high as it is, and the more women expect for access to their love gates, the more they can expect to be shamed when they cheat on the “boyfriend”….. who is expected to meet all kinds of outrageous criteria, and pay for everything, do all the work, entertaining and jumping through hoops for her affections. Women are simply not required to have six-figure salaries in order to get laid. But countless women on dating sites won’t even consider meeting a man for a coffee unless he meets a laundry list of demands – including a six-figure salary. It takes quite a bit for a man to rake in $100K and she expects this before considering a first meeting? She is personally guaranteeing she will be slut-shamed when she cheats on her man.
So I’m afraid “slut shaming” will always exist. Like it or not. MGTOW or not.
It is not dependent on the male. It is dependent on the female.Women are actually more guilty than men of “slut shaming”. For every girl who gives it away for free is effectively lowering every whore’s “price”. This is why “good girls” who attempt to withhold their affections from a man until he pays the highest possible price (a marriage contract and diamond ring and 1/2 of his net worth) will HATE the woman who enjoys sex openly, often and freely. She will even “slut-shame” that girl herself.
When women bring their expectations down to an acceptable level, only then will you see a reduction in slut shaming. Theoretically, if all sex was free and all women were content with a strictly sex-for-sex exchange, and the only requirement for a man to enjoy may partners is his willingness, “sluts” would cease to exist – and they couldn’t be shamed any more for it.
Women will never allow that to happen.
On the flip side, there is a certain amount of RESPECT to be had for “sluts”.
After all, at least they are not running around pretending they are NOT sluts.The “double standard” exists, because women WANT it to exist.
Here it is explained succinctly, and directly from our own “quotes” page:“A key that opens many locks is a master key.
A lock that opens for many keys…. is just a s~~~ty lock”.If you try push a man around enough…. eventually, “around” becomes “away”.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
I knew a girl last year to whom I stopped talking. Her husband makes over $120K. He is a good man who works 70+ hours and comes home to do the chores. She was lonely and wanted sex but he’s not around so what’s a fat runt to do? Oh yeah… She hints at me we could do it. Except she’s fat and I wouldn’t shag a man’s wife anyways.
I am still angry with her. $120 and does the chores? She can only get lame jobs under $30K. She’s fat. She has the audacity to feel sorry for herself when she’s living so nicely. I just can’t comprehend.
The only reasonable explanation is that her sexual abuse from her past has rendered her unable to have nice things. If anything goes well for her she’ll try to savatage it. Now, she should go to therapy and heal from it but… she’s exempt from having to work on herself.
So, right now, for $120, you get a fat runt with excessive baggage who makes no money, does no chores, cries about herself and tries to sleep around on you when you can’t spare her any time after you 70/hr work week and doing all the chores.
There’s a joke:
So, God approaches Adam in the Garden. He says to him, “For an arm and a leg, I will make for you a beautiful, loving wife. She will be wise and so loving you’ll adore her in every way.” Then Adam says, “Hmm… what can I get for a rib?”
So his chain of argumentation is: Women should be slut shamed, because they have so high expectations before they let someone f~~~ them?
Sorry, but that does not make sence. If all women were sluts, then there wouldn’t be any requirement the man would have to fulfill.
But as long as we slut-shame them, this will not happen!
Instead we should shame them for expecting us to be their provider. I don’t expect them to pay my drinks either. And nowadays a man’s investment into children is as high as a womens investment. Thanks to our law. Just our evolutionary shaped instincts are still the same. Women still expect men to provide. And men still expect women to be monogamous.
This doesn’t fit the current situation. No need to make a man provide. The state takes care of making him pay for the offspring. And no need for monogamy, because we have birth control.It’s that simple.
Anonymous13So, now came in the church and gave us marriage.
The idea of marriage, the ceremonies, the vows of loyalty, the symbolic gestures that each would make to one another were around before Christianity my friend to think otherwise means you have been brainwashed that there was ever such a thing called “matriarchy” there are a few books that talk about the recent phenomena (last century) of brainwashing and history re-writing tactics that feminists and propagators of social change have been doing at ad nauseam rates. We’ll go back to prehistory: Its hard to image females prancing around pregnant fighting off neighboring tribes or hunting game, or dashing through the snow carrying their mobile shelters or other survival gear, the idea of marriage cuts across cultural and religious lines, it was a biological necessity of our species. You can see it even today, even with our luxuries, our huge social welfare safety net, etc etc, I shouldn’t have to point out the rate of which men raised in single mother homes go to prison, and how poverty has one correlating factor standing out above all the others and that is “fatherlessness”.
The matriarchy will win either way, whether we chose not to marry, or women chose to be selfish confused sluts: The village will step in forcibly insist in assisting to raise children of single mothers…of anyone – two parent homes included- cause it wouldn’t be fair to the bastards. Its a sensitive topic, but thank god the feminists have enough men to back them in the fact that marriage is worthless, though most of those actually think it is worthless for different reasons, reasons too offensive and complicated for feminists to understand. But in the end the elitist banking families, and companies with monopolies on energy and other resources will only strengthen due to our dependency and lack of self sufficiency, all they need is more regs and crony/uber socialist policies.
Slut shaming in public is up to each of us personally, shaming a man shaming sluts is wrong. What if a man is telling his daughter never to act that way, do you think that’s wrong, would you mock him?
Hail the matriarchy!(my penis is sexist because it exclusively wants women in a sexual way and it thinks condoms are sexist – it wants nothing between it and the pussy)
Sluts need to be shamed.
I am in no place to try to deal with another person’s shame. If anyone has shame, they need to go to a therapist and get a life coach to get themselves fixed, because I am in no place to do that. I have my own stuff to get to, and with this, I don’t use language to manipulate anyone to change them, to get something from them. They are on their own.
The whole -shaming is a SJW mindframe that, in order to do anything personally in life, the world around them as to change, or they are paralyzed like a bunch of victims. I see the MGTOW way is you don’t try to change the road, but you put on better shoes.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Slut shaming? Oh please.
It’s not “shaming” if it’s the truth, and it’s an objective truth that the more sexual partners a woman has the less capable she is of sustaining any long term or permanent relationship with any man. But she still expects his money.
When MGTOW tell a slut she isn’t getting any of theirs, it’s not slut shaming. It’s simply telling her she has decreased her worth to far below the price she is demanding. When filet mignon is $5/lb it’s only honest to call any woman crazy and greedy when she demands $20/lb for her gristly hamburger, especially when that hamburger is now a couple hundred lbs overweight.
And nowadays a man’s investment into children is as high as a womens investment.
As high? A man’s investment has always been higher. Much higher. A woman puts in nine months, only the last few being any sort of burden, and then her responsibility effectively ends. A man is still expected to put in 18-23 years of payment after payment after payment, minimum.
Is is any wonder men want some sort of surety the children they are paying and paying and paying for are actually theirs? And anyone who tries to denigrate such requests for surety as so-called “slut shaming” can go f~~~ themselves.
If the laydeez want me to take their complaints of “slut shaming” seriously, they need to forgo men’s wealth first.
But in the end the elitist banking families, and companies with monopolies on energy and other resources will only strengthen due to our dependency and lack of self sufficiency, all they need is more regs and crony/uber socialist policies.
Nah. Eventually they run out of men willing to plow and mine for nothing in return. Then everything collapses. You can pass whatever laws and rules and demands you want, society will ALWAYS depend on men to do the real work. When men opt out, it’s over. This is why economists are s~~~ting themselves in Japan.
Enjoy the decline.
Sluts need to be shamed.
Shaming them is for their own good, not that they’ll listen. Sluts need to be ignored. They’ve made their sticky, crusty, smelly bed. Let them lie in it. Let their 50+ cats take care of them.
Anonymous13Nah. Eventually they run out of men willing to plow and mine for nothing in return. Then everything collapses. You can pass whatever laws and rules and demands you want, society will ALWAYS depend on men to do the real work. When men opt out, it’s over. This is why economists are s~~~ting themselves in Japan. Enjoy the decline.
No, I agree with you sir, you are correct. However, at that point western civ can rise again or fall, honestly once a matriarchy is established, officially that is the point of collapse – patriarchy will eventually be reestablished after some apocalyptic scenario – unless this brainwashing can continue at the rate it did in the last century and peace is somehow forced on a global scale, it is possible, but it will take a lot of force to “keep” a matriarchal gynocentric paradigm – the type of brainwashing that is needed to go against our nature as a species is enormous – and the force to exterminate deviants from this new norm is also staggering. I don’t think the current status quo is going to hold.
Like you said, they’ve made their filthy crusty bed, let their 50+ cats take care of them – and their daughters and their daughter’s daughters – complete with a check from uncle samangina = until the whole house of cards falls around them.Huevon: You weren’t expecting Norwegian roses, were you?
Anonymous18When women are younger and more sexually attractive, they tend to jump from alpha to alpha on their quest to gene shop.
Gene shop? Or string of poor choices? Does she really date/sleep with alpha male because he excites her or because he isn’t easy to manipulate to provide for her hormonal whims? Each ‘alpha’ she dated, she has tried to ‘change’ him and was unsuccessful.
In a natural environment, women would have kids by the time they bond with a provider. In our days they use birth control, and often don’t bring offspring to the table when they get into the “marrying-age”.
Loads of single mothers out there. The alpha did his bit. He f~~~ed, and somewhere a beta bucked, raising those kids.
Now if we go ahead shaming women for being sexually active and call them names like “cum dumpster”, it will create a pressure on women to be less sexually active. This will result in women being less active and us having less pussy in the long run.
Do you really believe we as ‘men’ can pressure a woman in to NOT doing something she would otherwise do? Women don’t dress for men they do for other women. They don’t do anything or withhold doing anything because that’s what a man wishes.
So his chain of argumentation is: Women should be slut shamed, because they have so high expectations before they let someone f~~~ them?
You missed the point. Women should be slut shamed as long as the man is expected to make that $100k and meet the laundry list of her expectations/demands (look into any dating website with a woman 35+ with kids from one or more men, and what she wishes for in a MAN) before he is considered desirable for a woman.
Balance of equations here. Suppose:
Female = Male,
Average Female = lots of sexual opportunities. Average Male = few sexual opportunities.
For the ‘=’, male has more resources, the female lacks. Female brings sex that male desires but lacks getting. Emphasis is placed on resources, but not on sex. As a male you can’t just share your resources without going broke, but the female can sleep around without much else (except emotional scars, STDs, improper use of her pills leading to pregnancy).
Slut shaming is that hidden variable to balance the equation a bit. It should stop when a man can get laid because he brings a penis to the table.
For my part, I am really happy that women tend to get more slutty.
If you’re not in the top 20% of guys, you have nothing to be happy about. If women got more slutty, and they are, it’ll be directed at the 20% most eligible. You’re happy at the chances of finding a monogamous woman flushing further down the toilet? For cheap sex with a crab ridden skank? You thirsty bro?
Who f~~~ing cares? ….. I don’t.
As long as they leave me the f~~~ alone …. they can do what they want.
If I want a woman … I’ll go to THE MOST HONEST of them … and pay by the hour.
Let THEM sort their self made mess out ……. bloody sluts 😆
patriarchy
“Patriarchy” is a myth. Always has been. It’s a boogieman cooked up by feminists to excuse their greed and excess. Outside the context of a family the word doesn’t even make any sense.
Gynocentrism has always been the reality, not this mythical “patriarchy”. Because in a world of high mortality, societies that didn’t protect and serve their bottlenecks to procreation went extinct in the competition against societies that did. Fortunately we are living in an age where mortality is low and there are billions upon billions of people on the planet, so the relative value of any woman as breeding stock is now nil. So it’s not a matter of collapsing matriarchy or re-establishing “patriarchy”, but rather that for the first time EVER we are finally able to abandon gynocentrism. And women hate that.
Feminism is the political movement dedicated to preserving and extending the benefits of gynocentrism for women in the face of gynocentrism’s every increasing irrelevancy. “Patriarchy” is the dodge they’re whipped up to cover that fact. That their greed to extend their privilege and perks will eventually collapse society is of no concern to them, because they know once society collapses, mortality will increase and gynocentrism will re-assert itself, putting women back on the pedestal as valuable breeders. And they’ll probably blame men for it anyway.
Slut shaming is that hidden variable to balance the equation a bit. It should stop when a man can get laid because he brings a penis to the table.
Yes, but this will never happen this way around. As long as giving away their pussy happens at the prize of getting slut shamed. I don’t put any prize tag on a pussy, and I get it for free. Apart from that, you are really pointing out some interesting facts there.
Women do try to beta their former alphas into a submission and thus into a provider role. Their problem is that this is not as easy. As they get older they often do this to men with a tendency towards “nice guy” and become more successful trying it on them. Actually I did make the observation that some really fall in love with them. But once men are beta-ed into this provider role, they become less attractive to the woman, because alphas get em wet. Not betas. So what do they do? They cheat on them, like Pascal described above.
And yes in many cases women bring kids along from their former alpha relationships. I have made the observation that women with kids end up hooking up with men with a much lower “sexual market value” meaning: less attractive men. So bringing in a kid they already got is a form of polygamy, and a way of separating gene donor from provider. A second possibility is marrying a rich guy and f~~~ing a sexy one, to get good genes.
I see the MGTOW way is you don’t try to change the road, but you put on better shoes.
I totally agree. Instead of demanding women to f~~~ around less, I just don’t buy em drinks and I just don’t work full time anymore to pay their way. I’m OK with them they still wanting to f~~~.
Amen.
Brother, please stop making sense. It may hurt the sensitivity of some lurkers 😀
My experience is that women really hate it when they think they are on the back burner, and really hate it when they realize that they aren’t even on the stove. Ironically, they wont make an effort to get themselves on the menu, outside of bitching about it.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
@sidecar unbelievably well put. Very true words.
If you’re not in the top 20% of guys, you have nothing to be happy about.
Good point. Now that women are not dependent on a provider anymore, these last 80% you are talking about often get left out. It’s a shame that prositution has gotten criminalized for men in some countries. A f~~~ is worth 50 bucks, and not 120k or a lifetime of child support.
So his chain of argumentation is: Women should be slut shamed, because they have so high expectations before they let someone f~~~ them?
No the point is
It is not dependent on the male. It is dependent on the female.
Regardless of what any man does women are the ones that perpetuate slut shaming because it drags the market price of vagina down for all women.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
Anonymous0For my part, I am really happy that women tend to get more slutty. Using condoms is the key here.What about you? Do we really want to push women to hold back their golden vaginas even more? That would mean we have to get into those vicious marriage contracts before we get any. This can’t be our aim, can it?
You say “our”, what do you mean with “our”, all guys here, MGTOW or what? In case there is an aim, and it is the aim you mentioned but should not be the aim so what is the aim?
You are writing like a woman, so I just have one question.
Are you a woman?
For my part, I am really happy that women tend to get more slutty. Using condoms is the key here.What about you? Do we really want to push women to hold back their golden vaginas even more? That would mean we have to get into those vicious marriage contracts before we get any. This can’t be our aim, can it?
You say “our”, what do you mean with “our”, all guys here, MGTOW or what? In case there is an aim, and it is the aim you mentioned but should not be the aim so what is the aim? You are writing like a woman, so I just have one question. Are you a woman?
I got that feeling also …. a slip about drinks or something.
Let me look back.
So his chain of argumentation is: Women should be slut shamed, because they have so high expectations before they let someone f~~~ them?
Sorry, but that does not make sence. If all women were sluts, then there wouldn’t be any requirement the man would have to fulfill.
But as long as we slut-shame them, this will not happen!
You’re missing a critical piece here to the logic: it’s not MGTOW – it’s women who need slut shaming.
Further, sluts – not women overall – should be slut shamed. And it carries more weight when the slut shaming is done by other women who are not sluts (at least they don’t think so). Women want to do this because sluts make it easy for men, which women don’t want. They want men to bend over backwards and act like a circus clown for the almighty pussy’s approval.
Less sluts = more wooing and effort from men. And what woman doesn’t want that?
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