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Your line item reasons that counter the young man’s points about marriage are freaking gold. Everything he describes DOES NOT require a woman. The only reason I can come up with concerning a need for women and marriage is if you want children and whether or not you’re okay with raising them with a mother and a father and you want them to be biologically yours. CHILDREN are the primary reason marriage is endorsed by the government. Other than that EVERYTHING else can be solved by a man’s own strength and skills and the less men stop listening o societal and cultural pressure to please women and sympathize with their cause the better off I think most men will be. I’m 22 living in the US and I’ve figured this out. its not rocket science.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
Well I can only speak for myself, but in general I have been much happier being single than I was when I was married. I see plenty of men happy to stay single, but I don’t think I have ever seen a happy single woman. Yeah I know women are not happy anyway, but they seem to be even more depressed when they are single, let’s put it that way. The thing that p~~~es off women more than anything is indifference. When women don’t get the attention they need from men they literally go insane. Even negative attention is preferable to no attention. They see being single as a failure while most men don’t. Of course women try to make men feel like failures for staying single, but that is just another attempt at control. This is why feminism is starting to backfire on women in a massive way. Every time I hear some younger woman complain about no men being interested in marriage and kids I just laugh and tell her to go complain to her pant-suited sisters because they are the ones that caused it. The irony is feminism has ruined society for women and feminism is far more anti-woman than ideas like MGTOW.
I think when men CHOOSE to be single, they are the happiest. To address the questioner’s letter:
lack of love, affection and emotional support;
Most of the girls I’ve been with fake these things to get what they want. Sure, they’ll listen when you’re face-to-face, but as soon as they’re away, they’ll break it off. As Evan said, women ask for more help. CONSTANTLY. The idea that some of that might be taken away from them by a guy having legitimate problems is downright “traumatic” for some of them.
not having someone to go on vacation with;
Yeah, because men like sex (surprise!). Not having a nagging bitch with you helps a lot in the “getting laid” department. Besides, no one likes the drama of the seventy bags you bring full of all your s~~~, the whole “I’m losing weight in this crazy fad diet/workout that Kim K suggested so I can look good in my bikini for all my social media pictures we take on the trip, then binge on and after the trip” thing, the shared mini bathroom in the hotel that is full of all the things you just HAD to bring from home, etc. Not to mention: When was the last time you heard of a woman taking her husband/boyfriend on a trip? I’d say 9.8/10, it’s the men who are paying for everything. Every girl wants the very best vacation, but none of them think about what that does to their significant others’ wallet. Why deal with that when you can go yourself, travel first class, get a better room, and hook up with women you’ll never see again? That’s not how I operate, but I can see why any guy would pick it.
not having someone to share domestic tasks with;
Antares said it best: Men do all the heavy lifting here. Doing a few more automated tasks is no big deal. That, and cleanliness is just something people should do for themselves.
being excluded from social gatherings because I don’t have a partner;
Same mentality behind the vacation: Why go to a social event with a woman if you can have a good time with the boys and get some on the side?
not having someone to talk to at home on a day to day basis;
Again, because men don’t get that privilege. They’re allowed to bring up an issue briefly, but they’re expected to get over it themselves. Why WOULDN’T a man be happy that, on top of not having someone that supposedly cares about his problems get frustrated when he has them, he doesn’t have to deal with someone else’s s~~~?
having to cope with the financial burden of being single (apartment, bills etc.);
Soulman nailed this point.
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Please. Don’t make me laugh.
spot on with everything from my own experience and that of listening to the women at work and how they act and treat their mangina other halves – kudos to you
women do tend to identify themselves with the man they, or want to, marry. We don’t. The other problem is we are happy enough with the woman we marry, yet they say “my man is a work in progress”. They marry for potential, imagined or otherwise. The grass is always greener for them, the BBD..Big Better Deal. I have mates that have happy marriages, but they are not the men I knew before, they changed themselves for their women, and yet the women are the same, no changes, just happier, because they are married and changed their men to fit their wants. And if the Man refuses to change..DIVORCE, I want half your s~~~ that I didn’t earn..throw in kids and it get’s messier..stay single fellas, and if you really need your DNA passed, donate, save yourself the hassle.
I would say the ironic beauty if the f~~~ed up feminazi world in which we live is that their bulls~~~ movement actually ended up liberating MGTOW men while condemning virtually all women to a state of sheer misery knowing that they can’t find enough doormats to give them a false sense of worth.
If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.Well I can only speak for myself, but in general I have been much happier being single than I was when I was married. I see plenty of men happy to stay single, but I don’t think I have ever seen a happy single woman. Yeah I know women are not happy anyway, but they seem to be even more depressed when they are single, let’s put it that way. The thing that p~~~es off women more than anything is indifference. When women don’t get the attention they need from men they literally go insane. Even negative attention is preferable to no attention. They see being single as a failure while most men don’t. Of course women try to make men feel like failures for staying single, but that is just another attempt at control. This is why feminism is starting to backfire on women in a massive way. Every time I hear some younger woman complain about no men being interested in marriage and kids I just laugh and tell her to go complain to her pant-suited sisters because they are the ones that caused it. The irony is feminism has ruined society for women and feminism is far more anti-woman than ideas like MGTOW.
I couldnt agree more.
Reminds me of this one image heh (http://i.imgur.com/qlf2Wdj.jpg). From what i saw, in testimonies from man who were in relationships, women aren’t only like that on the internet or as feminist, they always act like that. As if everything is entitled to them (or at least, younger women are) Why should a man endure a bitchy mini queen in the house he mostly paid, usually, if not paid in full. Ofc, it mostly happens once the euphoria of the blinding love ended and they see each other as they actually are.Indeed, MGTOW and MRAs are symptoms, not the illness. They’re men defense mechanism trying to rid their life from the crap they’ve had to endure in the past and or in the present. I mean, It’s like blaming the nausea and vomiting instead of blaming the virus multiplying and infecting the host.
Anonymous12Women get rather threatened and aggressive when they hear men don’t need them!
women do tend to identify themselves with the man they, or want to, marry. We don’t.
You nailed it SIR!!
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore RooseveltBeing in my late-40’s, and having watched the destruction of the family unit, I can say without a doubt single men are happier with their life than single women. That being said I would use that generalization specifically on men 30+, younger than that you are overcome by hormones and societies brainwashing.
The guys who never married, or didn’t have children, are now fine with it – they do not feel the same level of “emptiness” that a woman would. Most women who have never been married, or at least never had a live-in LTR, generally feel a loss about it. Obviously women feel a HUGE loss if they never have a child, but since marriage is the “nesting” precursor to having those children – than they feel a huge loss about never locking down a man. These traits in women go beyond modern materialism, it is evolutionary instinct.
When moving on to the subject of being single post divorce, if a man is not being crushed financially then he is generally ecstatic about being single. I have never known a divorced guy to give more than a tiny fraction of interest in bowing to women, compared to pre-marriage. Of all the divorced guys I know, only one remarried – because it was a sugar momma. The rest have a “whatever” attitude now, if they run into a woman and she is ready to bed then great – carpe diem. And if the girl wants more, they have to accept that it is a combo NSA & LTR until further notice. And it works, the tables are completely turned, women chase them or down or simply offer themselves up on the spot. The most hilarious story I heard from a buddy, who is not handsome, had a woman “beg” him to lay her one night at the end of the party; she said something like “I don’t get affection from men, and I know it is because I am homely” (and she was homely). Point being is that pre-marriage he would be inclined to put some serious chase energy into it, even if it was a bottom feeding sportf*ck, now he is so aloof women will pursue him.
Even if a woman is past baby years, and even if she is not materialistic, they are often miserable if they don’t have a man. My only guess is some combo of co-dependance and/or “I don’t want to die alone” panic.
The only panic a single man feels is if they run our of beer, or their XBOX breaks. Single men are WAY happier than single women, especially when we get older.
Sovereignty above all else.
Anonymous11Even if a woman is past baby years, and even if she is not materialistic, they are often miserable if they don’t have a man. My only guess is some combo of co-dependance and/or “I don’t want to die alone” panic.
Very true, KTR. The half-life of a vag addicted widower over 55 is measured in months. Women are lining up at the hospice room door waiting for his wife to die. I would not put it past one to sneak in the room and smother her with a pillow to get first shot at the guy.
I think the proof in the pudding can be observed in the Dating Sites and TV Ads around them. I don’t watch a lot of TV “real time”, almost everything I stream via Netflix. But when I watch the History Channel I do see ads. It is amazing how many ads for dating sites target women in the 30-60yo range, proving that post-30 it is all a man’s game. The one I see is “ourtime.com”, for singles 50+, pretty much the whole ad targets women, showing them all happy in their “active lifestyle”, usually with one token guy in the ad. “Find your fearless you!”, “Find your adventurous you!”, “Find your playful you!” – while showing insipid women engaging in trite activities.
Wow, if you had told me 20 years ago that the social currency was going to flip 180 – I would never have believed it! But advertisements like this one are based on trends, they are there to exploit and maximize profit potential, the ads are shaped by marketing research, there was little in it to gain a 50yo man’s attention (in fact the women bordered on annoying), so there must be a HUGE demographic existing for desperate 50+ women.
Sovereignty above all else.
… and the last thing they want to do is hold your purse when shopping at Nordstrom.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
HAHA! I love this broad’s comments about <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>“having to cope with the financial burden of being single…” Really? It’s a financial burden to be <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>single? Hmmm…quite frankly I hadn’t noticed…truth be told I’ve had MORE money since I’ve been single than I’ve ever had while in a relationship/marriage. Generally, I can afford to do whatever the f~~~ I want or buy whatever the f~~~ I want within reason and I don’t sweat paying my bills at the end of the month. That bimbo’s comment about the financial burden was quite telling I must say! Then she goes on to vomit forth her puzzlement as to why men seem to be content with <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>low investment, low return relationships with wimmenz. As…opposed….to….the typical <strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”>high investment, low/no/negative return relationships in which wimmenz want us men to invest? WoW! Just f~~~ing WOW! No f~~~ing thank you Ms. Lonely Pants! I’ll just go beat my dick to some porn then go drive my sports car to the gun shop and blow some more money on myself. These jizz bags seriously need to buy a vowel and a clue….
This has my vote for post of the year!
Being in my late-40’s, and having watched the destruction of the family unit, I can say without a doubt single men are happier with their life than single women. That being said I would use that generalization specifically on men 30+, younger than that you are overcome by hormones and societies brainwashing.
I think this is pretty accurate here. I’m 31, and I’d say sometime around 29/30 was when I realized I’d probably never get married because marriage laws are f~~~ed up, and most women are more f~~~ed up than I want to deal with. Notice…this also coincides around the approximate age for when the average women tends to realize impact with the wall is near.
If you asked me when I was 20 I’d have thought that I would have been married by 25, and had kids by 30, like every generation prior tended to do. What changed? Well, for the most part, women were busy riding the carousel until 30, and on my way to 30 I had a few dysfunctional relationships that taught me most women are dumb whores and offer me very little other than a headache and a financial burden. Their wisdom at 30 came in the form of the realization they weren’t going to be young and hot forever so it was time to hook someone at the tail end of their prime, while my wisdom at 30 came in the form of the realization that women my age mostly amount to a well used vagina and lots of baggage.
So now who is happier in the long run? Most definitely men. Single/childless men my age seem to either totally not give a s~~~ about not having kids, or understand that we have another 10-15 years where we could have kids before we’d be too old to not want to bother, even though physically we still could. Unmarried men tend to realize by 30 that marriage is a scam unless you find a woman significantly more well off financially than you. Plus we hit a point where women our age are getting desperate, so getting sex for any 30 year old guy with a decent job who isn’t completely socially awkward is probably easier than its ever been.
Women on the other hand…30 year old women are all desperate to hook a man while they still can. They’ll f~~~ anything that takes them on a few dates, and they realize their child bearing days could literally end at any moment. They have realized…all those good guys that would take care of them, that their mom and dad would approve of if they brought him home, that they should have tried to lock down over the last decade really don’t want anything to do with them anymore because they are busy not giving a f~~~ about relationships or chasing after something younger, hotter, and lower mileage. Baby rabies and the wall really hits them hard.
I’m guessing that at 40…my mind set won’t really change. If I have kids(unwed of course) I’ll probably love them more than anything, but be counting the days until they turn 18 so either the child support ends or I could get rid of their mother lol. If I don’t have kids no big deal, I’ll just be counting down the years til I retire…which unless something unforeseen and s~~~ty happens can easily be around 45 for me if I’m single/childless. Women on the other hand…if they fail to hook a guy with kids by the time they are 40, it seems like they generally hate their life as they realize they are going to be stuck working a low paying dead end job until 67, at which point they’ll be able to work part time and collect social security lol. Somewhere deep down inside they’ll definitely regret wasting their prime “having fun,” and being a retarded feminist bitch. It will without a doubt end up being more of a sense of failure for them, while for most men leave them feeling like they dodged a bullet.
Definitely men, although there are a few career minded women who seem happy being independent. Obviously all mgtow have much respect for these women not trying to suck the life force out of every man they spread their legs to.
I am 32 and just recently had my awakening moment. This after I went through an ugly divorce when I was 29. I definitely saw women much differently after that, but I had not quite had an awakening.
It’s amazing how clearly I saw once I looked at women using logic instead of hormones. I asked myself “why the hell do I do I do this to myself. ”
Really, what is the point for a man with a good job.
Feminst payback. I love to ask a 30 something Sex in the City if she has and kids. Ha. F~~~ING WOW… The get the loser look on their face.I would say the ironic beauty if the f~~~ed up feminazi world in which we live is that their bulls~~~ movement actually ended up liberating MGTOW men while condemning virtually all women to a state of sheer misery knowing that they can’t find enough doormats to give them a false sense of worth.
I don’t know about you, but it puts a smile on my face lol.
“there must be a HUGE demographic existing for desperate 50+ women”
Very much so, and I’d also add the 40+ range to that statement – and it’s almost entirely the fault of “empowered” women who put off marriage for personal gain and fun, using men for validation/attention, or who ground their husbands into tiny little nubs of individuals who could never meet their lofty standards of what a husband should be, and then took everything by divorcing him all while catering to white-knights on her OKC/Plenty of Fish profile that she “was in an abusive relationship for 10 years, and now she’s finding self self…” (all 200+ pounds of it). Nice to know we’ll have the last laugh 🙂
Girls go CRAZY when single, and because they have ‘value’ can be back on the market within a week, as often happens.
<span style=”color: #2f2b2d; font-family: ‘Open Sans’, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; letter-spacing: 0.200000002980232px; line-height: 22.5px; background-color: #f8f8f8;”>Women, who are, in general, more emotional and intuitive, are more likely to define their lives by their relationships. So when they lack a partner, they’ll be disproportionately sadder than men, who just bury themselves in more work and (sometimes) play.</span>
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Women, who are, precisely, more vindictive and dependent, are more likely to define their lives by their unappreciated cash-cow. So when they lose a cash-cow, they’ll be wholly sadder then men, who just exalt themselves in more work and (always) play.
Dudes just get s~~~ DONE, period. We don’t invert and waste time on the s~~~ that doesn’t matter, we charge forward and take pride in the feeling we get from doing things on our own, for ourselves, and seeing positive results in our lives.
Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.
Anonymous1Women have what I call a shelf life, which means once they get to a certain age they lose value. Men on the other hand have a much longer shelf life (money) and your career ensure this. So women have no problems getting what they want to a certain age and point. Men on the other hand can get what they want longer. Money is power.
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