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ESPN ,,, the biggest upset in the sport’s [sic] history ….
Sure. If ESPN says so.
Two women had a fight on TV. What kind of sandwich do you want?
Safety rules: All guns are loaded. All knives are sharp. All stoves are hot. All women are like that.
Dana White probably s~~~ his pants when the ref stopped the fight.
He was using her as the UFC poster child, like the greedy blue pill c~~~ he is.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Guess the wall is hurting even more for her now.
I for one, am amused.
She was the media’s darling for who knows how many months. Woman or not, I’d like to thank Holly for showing that this bitch isn’t invincible.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Experts said Holm delivered “the perfect fight”, standing up to Rousey’s aggressive approach, an approach that ultimately backfired.”
All offence and no defense, like a rank amateur.
Hopefully the jumped up bitch will learn something from this humiliating defeat.
Finally, about time she got put in her place. Not just beaten but knocked out. Guess you weren’t so tough after all, eh ronda?
Pretty much proves she’d lose trying to fight against any average male fighter.
She’s formidable within the context of a sport, with set rules and a specific environment. She trains to fight and win within the confines of a particular scenario.
In the outside world the odds are far less in her favor.
Her real strength is her Judo, which can be used in and out of the Octagon. Given more clothing is worn outside of the Octagon, this makes her Judo that much more potent. Assuming the other person is unarmed.
I’d hate to ever have somebody good at Judo throw my ass down on a concrete sidewalk. Lights f~~~ing out.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.ESPN ,,, the biggest upset in the sport’s [sic] history ….
Sure. If ESPN says so.
Two women had a fight on TV. What kind of sandwich do you want?
These guys must have just started watching MMA in the last couple years. Total ignorance.
Must not have heard about Matt Serra beating GSP. And that’s only one example of a huge upset.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.And the bookies laugh all the way to the bank…
Experts said Holm delivered “the perfect fight”, standing up to Rousey’s aggressive approach, an approach that ultimately backfired.”
All offence and no defense, like a rank amateur.
Hopefully the jumped up bitch will learn something from this humiliating defeat.
Yeah, it’s the fault of “Patriarchy” and evil white men.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!Somewhere along the line it’s a man’s fault. Glad to see someone shut that c~~~’s mouth.
Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
Somewhere along the line it’s a man’s fault. Glad to see someone shut that c~~~’s mouth.
Me too, she thought she was the best around, noone was ever gonna take her down…
As an obvious fan of combat sports and someone who has watched boxing religiously for 15 years now, I can honestly say that this might be the happiest I’ve ever been in my entire fight-watching life.
In the past I’ve actually given credit to Ronda for being a good Judoka (something that requires a lot of discipline and perseverance) and respected her dedication to a particular craft. As time went on, her true colors began to show however, and I realized what a fool I was for praising the hypocrite. Ronda has always received a disgusting amount of media hype. The media hyped her to the heavens and put her in movies, on the cover of upcoming video games (LOL @ EA SPORTS), and most despicably, on the cover of the RING boxing magazine. If I’m not mistaken, she was the first woman to ever be on the cover of that magazine and she isn’t even a boxer. Whats truly disgusting is the amount of other people MUCH MORE deserving of all this praise and got none of it. But instead it was given to this fraud because of her skin color (which is the same as mine), and her gender.
Being a boxing fan and someone who understands fighting, I knew previously who Holly Holm was. When this fight was first announced, I told people she would present major problems for Ronda because she is NOT a fraud and is actually a real fighter/martial artist. Her boxing record is 33-2. I knew her footwork and jab would expose the mediocre striking of RR. Of course they all looked at me with the stink eye like I was crazy and defended their precious baby.
It is such poetic justice that Ronda not only got knocked the f~~~ out brutally (with rumors of a broken jaw! :P), but got knocked out by a BOXER. In the past Ronda has disrespected boxing and has said ridiculous things about how she could beat Floyd Mayweather or how she thinks Mike Tyson was a dirty rapist and woman beater. Well I find it ironic how it was the lack of respect for boxing that did her in. Now she can be on the cover of RING magazine as a reminder of the clown she truly is.
Holly Holm, I am a MGTOW for life, but you my darling have just earned a spot in my favorite person’s list. Woman or not, I will never bad mouth you for this gift you have given all of us. You could divorce 10 men and falsely accuse them all of rape and I will still be your friend! Thank you Holly!
The only downside to all of this is that I had NO IDEA she was a 16-1 underdog. IF only I had f~~~ing known the media was hyping Ronda THAT much, I would’ve comfortably and confidently laid down $500 bucks on Holm for a cool $8,000 in winnings. Missed opportunity for sure. Very upset about that. Had no idea the odds were so lopsided and that the media/hype machine could be THIS stupid. I figured they were like 3-1 or something, but nothing as high as 16-1.
Anonymous3Sounds to me like the vanquished facebook guy was afraid of Ronda kicking the s~~~ out of his mangina!
There is no way in heaven, or hell, or earth, or one of Saturn’s f~~~en moons that she could take guys down like Matt Hughes or GSP! It would be a slaughter. Now any guess how long it will take to make a come back, or will she get into a big ol tub of ice cream first.
She can’t take down any healthy male of a decent size, or even any male of her size or smaller that has had any training and isn’t in some way physically impaired.
The different in strength between a man and a woman is absurd. A woman has to be roughly a foot taller and 50+ lbs heavier before she will be as strong or stronger than an equivalent male, and I’m not even sure if that even works if said male is very fit.
I’ll just repost, since a lot of people still live in La La Land (no offense, Phoenix; I feel fairly certain it comes down to a lack of experience rather than self-delusion):
I don’t know anything about this Ronda person, nor will I pretend to, but I would like to point something out in regards to martial arts and fighting.
Many people, including many people I’ve seen here on MGTOW.com, have a very skewed view of what constitutes fighting. Most (but not all) of the “fighters” involved in boxing, MMA and many other popular sports haven’t undergone fighting training – they’ve undergone sports training. They have learnt techniques and tactics tailored to work under certain conditions, with certain rules and safety precautions. Nothing wrong with that, but many people mistake their success under those conditions to mean they would have equal success under all conditions.I mentioned this in another thread, but I’ll repeat the brief info: I’ve practiced martial arts for 23 years. I have engaged in hundreds of fights. I have engaged in thousands of sparring matches. I have fought hundreds of opponents of all skill levels, of dozens of different fighting styles. In all this time, I have only ever lost when fighting five or more opponents at once or when facing a single opponent of roughly my own size or smaller and with roughly equal or greater speed and skill.
Now, with that out of the way…
The most common misconception I see in regards to fighting has to do with body weight, size and muscle strength. By which I mean that many people – indeed, most – mistakenly believe that the larger, stronger person automatically has an advantage. In no-holds-barred fighting between opponents with even a modicum of skill and experience, this only holds true in wrestling and grappling. In unarmed striking and weapons fighting, on the other hand, the smaller opponent almost always has a distinct advantage. Why?
To calculate striking power, you need to take into account acceleration rate and mass. Most people know this. However, most people do not know that acceleration plays a much, much bigger part in this calculation than mass. To illustrate this, let’s use an extreme example:
Two people. One weighs, oh, let’s say 150 lbs/68 kg. The other, 300 lbs/136 kg. Now, let’s say the lighter person has twice the acceleration rate of the heavier.
What does this result in? The lighter person – yes, the one weighing half as much as the heavier person – hits a helluva lot harder. Not only that, the person probably has a smaller frame, and thus smaller fists, meaning that greater force gets concentrated onto a smaller area, causing even more damage.
For an example that some people will have an easier time understanding, consider a car, going 10mph. This will have a certain amount of kinetic energy. Now, imagine that same car going 20mph – at first glance one would think that this car would have exactly twice the kinetic energy, right? Wrong. The car going 20mph has four times the kinetic energy of the same car going 10mph. The reason? Speed/acceleration plays a much bigger part than mass when it comes to determining kinetic energy. The simplified calculation for an object in motion goes: Mass * speed * speed. Yup, you multiply the mass by the speed by the speed. So a doubling of speed means a quadrupling of kinetic energy.
When it comes to weapons fighting, as long as you meet the “minimum requirements” to properly wield the weapon, any excess strength doesn’t do much to help, and in many cases can actually work to your disadvantage, depending on the weapon and technique used. Again, then, speed/acceleration plays a much bigger role than size, mass and strength.Now, with the (simplified) science out of the way, let’s move on.
So, given the above, why do these gross misconceptions exist? Some (most?) of you have probably figured it out already – modern martial sports, and their prevalence in mass media (also Hollywood and comic books, with their ridiculously inefficiently proportioned action heroes). In modern boxing, MMA, sports karate, and so on, official matches operate under certain rules and safety precautions. Most notably, they ban killing and crippling techniques and most nerve and vital strikes. In addition, they usually force the participants to make use of protective gear such as padded gloves. What does this all mean for the fighters? Answer: Many things, but two stand out.
Firstly, the ban on techniques skews the fight heavily from the beginning. Why? Because smaller, faster fighters have a huge advantage in making use of (most) such techniques when compared to larger, slower fighters. If you want to put it in “game terms”, the smaller, faster fighters just got nerfed something fierce.
Secondly, the use of protective gear. Padded gloves do not only provide padding – which would confer more-or-less equal disadvantage to both fighters – they also increase the striking surface. Percentage-wise, if we assume the fighters use the same model of glove, they increase the smaller fighter’s striking surface area a lot more than the larger fighter’s. The additional weight – and thus decrease in acceleration – also has a greater percentage increase for the smaller fighter. Same goes for worn padding; the percentage decrease in efficiency becomes significantly greater for the smaller, faster fighter compared to the larger, heavier fighter. In game terms, again, the smaller, faster fighter just got nerfed something fierce.Chiefly because of the two above points, many, many people have a very skewed view of actual fighting. Indeed, even many so-called “fighters” have this view, due to a lack of experience with fighting without the aforementioned rules and limitations.
Now, some people may want to protest the above, citing instances of “traditional” fighters going into the ring against “sports” fighters and losing. Now, setting aside that most “traditional” fighters that have done so have had middling skill at best, remember the two points above. These traditional fighters suddenly see as many as half or more of their techniques rendered illegal (forcing them to grossly revise their tactics on the fly), and of their remaining techniques, virtually all suddenly got a helluva lot less effective. Going the other way around – with the sports fighter going up, no-holds-barred, against the traditional fighter – the sports fighter likely wouldn’t last more than a few seconds, at best, against an opponent of equal skill. Why? Because he uses techniques and tactics tailor-made for use under certain rules and safety precautions, which don’t exist outside the ring. Of course, some sports fighters also practice traditional martial arts in addition to martial sports, so don’t take this as applying in every single case.
For something more illustrative: Imagine a tiger, raised in captivity. In its youth it had its teeth and claws pulled out – not just trimmed, pulled out. Its owners then set it up to fight against other, similarly crippled tigers. The years go by, and the tiger becomes more and more proficient at fighting without its natural weapons. Then one day, its owners manage to capture a wild tiger, and decide to have it fight the first tiger. However, to make the fight “fair”, they pull out the recently-captured tiger’s teeth and claws before putting the tigers into the ring together. Who do you think will win – the tiger that has spent its entire life fighting without its teeth and claws, or the one that only just had them removed? Now, imagine that same match-up, but with the second tiger retaining its teeth and claws. What do you think will happen?
I hope this helps people understand the difference between martial arts and martial sports and why you really, really shouldn’t confuse or conflate the two (which a helluva lot of people do, sadly).
Now, lastly, how all this relates to the thread: I do not know this Ronda person, nor will I pretend to. However, with this post I wanted to point out that many – indeed, perhaps most, for all I know – of the protests against her ability to go up against a male fighter stem from peoples’ misconceptions about fighting, based on the points I’ve made above. Again, I don’t know anything about her, nor any other famous sports fighter, male or female (I don’t follow sports), so I have no idea how she would actually fare in a fight against any one particular fighter.
Just my two cents.
I don’t know what’s worse, the awful science and bad understanding of how reality works, or your insistence on drawing attention to it, since apparently this isn’t the first time you wrote that.
I’m a trained boxer, and I also have some grappling experience. I’m fairly certain my experience trumps your McDojo experience, especially since you apparently can’t beat a woman. If your striking is so poor that you legitimately cannot out-strike a woman, I do not know what to tell you. We used to bring in pro-boxer females, they all stunk. We weren’t allowed to spar with them, and even training with them was rather painful. Mitt training with a woman is all you need to do to see just how slow they are and how weak they are.
It’s also patently absurd to think a smaller man with less muscle mass has more power than a bigger man.
Weight classes exist for a reason, and that reason is to keep smaller fighters from just being destroyed. This is also why the gender restriction is there. A transexual can destroy Rousey, and she has in fact whined and complained about just that.
I am honestly embarrassed for you. Even Olympic female athletes train with and lose to men’s HS JV teams. That’s the ridiculous gap in physical strength between men and women. Even 2 days training would have revealed these things, or any time around female athletes (who quick to admit their physical inferiority). The only people that think women are physically equal to men are people that watch too much television and see 100 lb women jumping around and fighting with 250 lb men on equal or superior terms.
I could go on, but, well, I think you might be a woman or mangina, so I’ve already wasted enough of my time even writing this.
If I were to fight Rousey, there is a legitimate concern that I would physically kill her. Rousey is something like 5’4 130 lbs. Even without using any of my punching technique, there’s just nothing she could do. Physically she is too weak to grapple me either. But striking, the difference between male and female striking is just gigantic.
Ronda Rousey is on the cover up the upcoming EA Sports UFC 2…
EA should be regretting that.
I was laughing so hard when I found out about her loss. Even more when I watched it. Disrespectful from the start and completely c~~~y. I would laugh so hard if she ever fought a man
@phoenix: It appears you have misunderstood my post.
1) I never claimed I cannot beat a woman, nor did I allude to anything of the sort.
2) I pointed out the difference between physical strength, weight and striking power and how people often confuse them.
3) The term “McDojo” refers specifically to watered-down martial arts taught primarily as sports and/or to make money. In other words, exactly what I referred to in my post as “martial sports” and that I pointed out that people often confuse and conflate with martial arts. I can only assume you either didn’t read or that you misunderstood that part.
4) I did not make any specific claims regarding the differences between men and women; I merely pointed out the (simplified) mechanics involved. In actual practice, the overwhelming majority of female “fighters” couldn’t hold a candle to even an “average” male fighter because, as you said yourself, even with considerable training they don’t have much in the way of speed (with the occasional expection), so the simple fact that speed trumps weight for striking power doesn’t really matter in practice in most cases because they typically have inferior speed as well as weight.
5) In regards to power – remember, again, how to calculate kinetic energy. And yes, I know, the calculation I used actually describes the kinetic energy of an object already in motion, without taking into account acceleration from rest, but I find it usually gets the message across more easily than the more complex calculations. Of course, any misunderstanding in regards to “power” may actually result from you and I using different terminology rather than us having any actual disagreement on the matter.
6) Weight classes – only true in context. Historically, before people started using more “modern” safety rules, padding and so on, weight classes didn’t exist and the smaller/faster fighters won overwhelmingly, statistics-wise. Remember the differences I pointed out between martial sports and martial arts in my repost. Going by the “Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts” I personally clock in at the border between Featherweight and Lightweight (largely dependant on when I last ate) and I have many times in the past fought and defeated trained fighters who belong in the Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight classes. More to the point, I have never lost to a fighter heavier than the lower end of Welterweight, despite the majority of my opponents over the years belonging to Welterweight, Middleweight or Light Heavyweight. And yes, I’ve fought boxers, MMA fighters, traditional fighters, and more, anywhere from absolute beginners with only five or six years under their belt and all the way up to fighters with twenty or thirty or even forty years of experience. I’ve fought people who regularly compete in MMA, boxing, karate, taekwondo, judo and more, as well as those who never compete at all, and those times I have lost an unarmed one-on-one fight my opponent has always qualified as a traditional fighter who doesn’t engage in official tournaments of any sort.
7) “…ridiculous gap in physical strength between men and women…” – I never even mentioned this, so I don’t know why you bring it up.
8) I did not insult you anywhere in my post, yet you decided to insult me by calling me a mangina and/or woman. Classy.
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