Purpose in life as MGTOW?

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

Hello guys,
I just wanted to raise a topic that is going through my mind lately, especially on these days when you may feel a bit down:
How do you find your purpose in life as a MGTOW?

Before you give me your thoughts, a bit more on the context on where this question is coming from: I was raised into thinking that when you are growing up you have to be a good student, honor your parents, get good grades, then later on have an education and skills, go to college, then get a good job, find yourself a good woman to later marry and have kids. I got to do all of that but the getting married and having kids part… and sometimes it makes me wonder.
I know this whole thing is like the conversation of the fight club, Taylor Durden was a MGTOW master

I am totally convinced that marriage is a scam, that all family and reproductive laws treat men as second class citizens and that definitely you shouldn’t make the purpose of your life on being a slave to please someone. The risk of failure and total misery vs the reward of having a happy family is way to high… but if you think about it, as bioligical mortal beings, sounds like main purpose is to reproduce before passing away, if you go your own way you won’t do that.  Plus having a world with 7+ billion people, I don’t think se should worry too much about the species survival, if anything the world is overpopulated.

So if reproducing is not in the cards, when you think about what is your purpose in life, what makes you keeps going, what are your personal answers? Is it to have a successful career? To travel the world? Tap all the pussy you can? Knowledge? Money? Just enjoy live? help others?
I’d love to hear your thoughts.

Cheers

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I think this was covered in a thread somewhere else, but I forget where.

Don’t worry about purpose.   It isn’t going to change anything even if you do find it.

Men pull their hair out trying to find purpose.  Then once they do, they still continue pulling their hair out trying to fulfill it.   Being alive is purpose enough.  Purpose doesn’t give meaning to life.  Life gave it to purpose.  I can guarantee you that if you do an in-depth study of older languages they had no word for “purpose” yet those men continued on.

Observe as much as you can.  Remember your actions have both observable and unobservable consequences.  Don’t get upset about it at all.  Don’t ignore it either.

 

My guess is the next post after this one, will be by some older gent who will tell you “to do what you love”.  This will probably be the standard response you will get.

That doesn’t make any sense to me at all. I am guessing they mean what gives you pleasure but I don’t know.  That is just me.

 

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

How do you find your purpose in life as a MGTOW?

For myself, it is trying to answer the question: Who or what am I?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[DybbukParticipant 182]

A lot of the latter-day post-The-Game PUA gurus talk about life purpose as being a really big deal. The reason they do it is that the vast majority of guys will never find a purpose, and as a result they will keep going back to the guru, hoping for answers. They will never “graduate”.

One particular guru has a really good take on the issue, though. He’s LoGun from “The Attraction Institute”. In most ways, he’s a scammer just like the rest, preaching stuff like “get your inner game strong, and everything else will fall into place”. But I’ve never heard a better opinion on the topic of purpose.

He says that you can figure out your purpose by knowing your “script”. Your script has three parts:

1. How you feel now.

2. How you want to feel in the future.

3. What it takes to bridge the gap between #1 and #2.

Then #3 will determine your purpose. Super simple, and it dispenses with all the new-age nonsense about “what you were born to do”.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hey John.

How do you find your purpose in life as a MGTOW?

You don’t “find” it. You CREATE it. Because there is no purpose in life for us otherwise. I’m one of a billion of sperm, and so are you. Could have just as easily been the next one. We’re all accidents, as sure as Earth is EXACTLY the right size / distance from the sun / has breathable air / the perfect amount of gravity / water and precisely the right chemical makeup to sustain life.

Tomorrow, either of use could slip on a banana peel and break our necks. Gone.
A meteor could come crashing through my windshield and it would be over.

I realized this a few years ago when I thought “I found a purpose” and began a new life in a new career in a new country. One day, a chief in the company was driving down the highway and a piece of metal (about the size of a license plate and 1 inch thick) came from nowhere … flew through his windshield and took his head right off. Shut down the freeway for a day, and made the news. Nobody could explain it. It didn’t come flying from a truck. It didn’t fall from an overpass. It remains a mystery.

Even though this didn’t “happen” to me, it just so happens that the company shut down immediately… and my “purpose” was gone. So now it was up to me to create a purpose.

We’ve all heard that “EAT / PRAY / LOVE” s~~~ women talk about. “Finding themselves”. Women are constantly talking about a need to “find themselves”. As if they don’t take any active role in their own lives. They actually initiate a divorce from a life of purpose (motherhood and being a wife) to “find themselves” as if they didn’t have a purpose already. Observe the way they talk about “love”. Same s~~~. (i.e. When will I FIND “love”? etc.)

But it’s important to stop talking about “finding” it, and start CREATING it.
Let women “find” themselves. Men CREATE themselves.

How do you find your purpose in life as a MGTOW?

Looking to find purpose is like waiting for things to happen to you. Tsunamis “happen”. Brain tumors “happen”. But creating a purpose doesn’t happen to you. You go out and MAKE it happen. I could go crush some ass and get her pregnant. BOOM! Now my “purpose” is to support that kid for the next 18 years. A lot of people let things happen to them and they unintentionally find themselves living a life they didn’t really want. That’s why taking an active role in your life is so important. I could have easily been a father TWICE already (or many more). But they only reason I am not, is because I was so focussed on it. Finding myself in situations were never really appealing to me. Creating it was a priority.

When you think about what is your purpose in life, what makes you keeps going

I’ve stopped weddings and saved men’s lives. That’s a good purpose. We created MGTOW.com. Another purpose.

what are your personal answers?

It’s not the answers that drive us. It’s the QUESTION.
You’ll notice I wouldn’t have written this all out if you didn’t ask.
And because you asked, you created a purpose for me to be here.

To travel the world?

I’ve done that. Had a job which took me across the world a few times. Created an opportunity for myself, and was offered the job. Again, I didn’t “find” my way there. I created it. Now the travel bug is out of me at a very early age.

Money?

Money is a huge motivator for me. The purpose of “finding” (or having) a job is to work so you can make enough money to do things you want to do when you’re not working. Read that last sentence again. The work is not the purpose. Do you live to work? Or do you work to LIVE.

But MGTOW.com doesn’t pay. At the moment, It rewards me in other intangible ways.
Thank you for asking the question.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AFTParticipant 2723]

Thanks KeyMaster, I think that helps a lot of us fresh red pill types.  This is where I am really stuck, and you make a lot of sense, it’s taking me time to figure it out.  I mean you spelled it out loud and clear, now the process for me is to unlearn Disney fairy tale s~~~, like you say “finding yourself”.

Live to CREATE purpose, and CREATE myself, get on top of the game and take charge.

What does AFT want?  Whats best for me? Go for that.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I had a girlfriend who once told me “I lost myself” and “i need to find myself” as an excuse for justifying a breakup. She is the type to swing from one man to another like a monkey. It wasn’t apparent to me until I stepped back to notice her history and pattern. Had I noticed sooner, I would have understood what it (“i need to find myself”) really meant and not blamed myself for her inability to assume the complimentary role to a man in her life as a “purpose”. After all, I made it my “purpose” to be there for her and give everything I had to making it work.

I no longer accept “i need to find myself” as an acceptable statement. It’s lazy.

No. In the future, if I ever hear that from a female again I will tell her “It’s up to you to CREATE a purpose for yourself and stop behaving like a goddam lost fart in a thunderstorm’. I am tired of allowing women to get away with assuming no agency in their lives as if they are not active participants in it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

Thank you for your insights,

for me the biggest item is that I always been goal oriented, I always write down my goals, break them into smaller pieces and set up multi year goals… having finnished the college education, got a great job, done quite a bit of traveling… being struggling a bit lately on what to focus on next, now that I am basically not contemplating anymore the marriage and kids part.

I think it also happen to everyone that many times true happiness is during the process of working to achieve the goal and not so much when you have actually completed it

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Being struggling a bit lately on what to focus on next

You mention multi-year goals. I just had an exchange with another member on that. I will leave this for you:

/forums/topic/where-do-you-see-yourself-in-5-years/

You might be rewarded to not try and look for something to focus on, but rather to create opportunities for yourself wherever possible. Then, when an opportunity presents itself you are free to choose. We can easily say “Im gonna do this for the next 5 years”…… but that’s a form of tunnel vision and it can be too long between stops.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[LazParticipant 44]

Remember that having a purpose doesn’t guarantee you happiness

It simply mean you have a goal to accomplish

Whether said achievement grant you happiness or not depend on your innate desire

And not having a purpose also doesn’t guarantee you sadness

In the end, you life doesn’t need to be an epic saga

If it can’t be an exciting one, then a peaceful one serve you just fine

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator 89]

You say that you’ve finished college and now have decent employment. Congratulations! Millions of people spend more than half their lifetime striving to achieve just that. Enjoy your success and be grateful. But as you can see, it doesn’t guarantee purpose or happiness. This is usually where morons willingly enter servitude to some chick who has gotten everything she wants and more in life. Don’t fall into this trap. I’m serious. It takes one night, BAM you’re a Dad and permanently attached to some awful bitch. Say goodbye to liberty.

Scientifically, I can say that we live in a godless, deterministic universe which ultimately has no purpose. Time, freewill, and faith are illusions and liabilities. That being said, many find the truth to be unappealing, bleak or depressing. It’s actually not bad at all if you don’t tangle yourself up in thoughtless misery (the kind a woman promises).

There is no meaning to life but that doesn’t there isn’t meaning IN life. I have 60 years ahead of me to do whatever I want. I may not have finished collage, gotten an honorable discharge, or make over 30K a year but I dodged the fatal arrow of an icy marriage and fatherhood by millimeters. I also barely survived alcoholism and suicide. Now, I’m mature and free.

I’m now 28, sober, happily alone, stable, employed and pursuing my dreams (which for me currently is creating masterful oil paintings). I’ve never been more free or happy.  And the liberty and happiness isn’t derived from beer or women. Those are things that will bring a man to his knees. (Women for sure, Beer is neutral for most people).

The sky is the limit, grow an imagination, reach for the stars, overcome obstacles, produce your environment rather than being a product of it, drive your car instead of the car driving you. Good luck.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

You say that you’ve finished college and now have decent employment. Congratulations! Millions of people spend more than half their lifetime striving to achieve just that. Enjoy your success and be grateful. But as you can see, it doesn’t guarantee purpose or happiness.

If I could “like” this statement more I would.

[MattParticipant 10]

If reality itself is causeless, can there be any question of purpose?

I can’t help but think that this is a societal device to facilitate our enslavement and exploitation. We’re still viewing ourselves as mere utilities, thinking in terms of means and ends.

Life simply is, and that’s all it needs to be.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

If reality itself is causeless

 

Please explain the logic and/or observations that led you to choose this statement as the premise for your “argument”.

 

[MattParticipant 10]

Theoretically…

How could reality itself be considered a cause, or caused? Even the idea of causality exists only in the mind, as indeed do all of these concepts. Even time. Where space and time are themselves subsequent products of something else, how can reality be anything but causeless?

If the Second Law of Thermodynamics is accurate, there’s only energy, and it cannot be destroyed in essence, only form. The underlying essence would be uncaused.

Therefore, it could be argued that form/manifestation itself, is not reality, and that reality lies beyond consciousness and it’s subsequent products, which is, well, everything, except the reality upon which consciousness appears, which is but obviously cannot be defined or deciphered, as our consciousness is itself a product.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

 idea of causality exists only in the mind, as indeed do all of these concepts

If the Second Law of Thermodynamics is accurate

Is a law not a concept?

reality lies beyond consciousness

Then consciousness must lie in reality?

If causality does not exist then how can one talk about it?

 

Your turn.

[MattParticipant 10]

The mind can imagine all kinds of possibilities.

As my limited understanding goes, we can only perceive, through a malleable and easily fooled neurology and nervous system, a narrow band of frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum.

99% of matter is essentially empty.

Through that lens, the perspective of our bodily consciousness, we perceive the energy around us constantly in flux, and so the mind assumes that time exists objectively, independent of these perceptions.

But does it? And if linear time is an illusion of the energy that we ourselves inhabit, what does it mean for causality, as a notion?

Take it away, dude…

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Still have to answer this:

<span style=”font-family: Thread-000031d0-Id-00000032;”>reality lies beyond consciousness </span><span style=”font-family: Thread-000031d0-Id-00000032;”>(Then how are we aware of reality?)</span>

Then consciousness must lie in reality?

If causality does not exist then how can one talk about it?

 

we perceive the energy around us constantly in flux, and so the mind assumes that time exists objectively,

How does perceiving the movement of energy lead us to an objective view of time?  Time is as much a measurement of movements as it is a concept.

 

fooled neurology and nervous system

Can the mind be fooled?  Yes.  How can neurons/particles/etc.  be fooled?  To be fool is to be misled.  How do you “mislead” or “deceive” a particle?

 linear time is an illusion of the energy?

Linear time is an abstract concept not a physical law.

If energy transforms from one form to another that change in form requires a cause.

 

[MattParticipant 10]

I’m unsure of where you are, with the first two questions. Talking about something doesn’t guarantee that it exists. Causality is a concept of the mind, an assumption. It need not be the case in reality. The light spectrum we perceive already exists, by the time it is perceived through our eyes and interpreted by the brain. The same with other perceptions.

Asserting the existence of causality is to assume the objective existence of time and space, both of which would be necessary for causality, and both of which must be products of consciousness itself.

To simplify things, it could quite simply be asked… what do we know, for sure? How do we know it? We perceive a world, we have experiences, and believe them to be real. But in dream, we also feel as though it is real. Can we be sure that the world is not a mere dream?

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I’m unsure of where you are, with the first two questions.

If the concept of “cause” does not exist, then where/how did we get it?

what do we know, for sure?

Because you are responding to my questions, something is affecting you.

To even ask that question requires knowing the definitions and concepts of the words you are using.  Then arranging them into an interpretable statement/idea.

 

 

Dreams are a mirror of reality, distorted though they may be.  A dream cannot exist without an influence of some sort.

The fact that you can separate the concept of dream from reality means you know the difference between the two.

Can we be sure that the world is not a mere dream?

If we prove the world to not be a dream, then we know reality exists.  If we “prove” the world to be a dream we still know reality exists.

Differing levels of perception do not change the fact that something is being perceive.  If I look at a chair about a 1/4 mile away with my  glasses, I know I am looking at a chair.  If I take my glasses off, I still see something even though I might not know what it is.  Not knowing what something is different than knowing about its existence.

 

If you doubt you can know anything, you just found something you can know.  It is a contradictory belief.

 

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