Our own doing?

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Our own doing?

This just seems to me to be another way of claiming men are to blame for women’s behavior. Women, like men, are responsible for their own behavior.

Fortunately, in these forums dedicated MGTOW realize the outside influences that try to manipulate and control behavior through advertising and other media, so they reject those messages and go their own way.

[Anonymous 3]

surfdude12 wrote:

Yes, in 1910, 90% of families lived on farms so boys worked with their fathers on the farms and had male mentor growing up. That’s how it was for millions of years

In 1920-1930, 90% of families moved to cities, men went to work in city and boys were raised 100% by women (Mom at home, followed by female teachers at school). So boys learned female approval is necessary for success. So that’s where things got all f~~~ed up

It’s even more than that.

This idea that men are worthless and have to prove themselves, and bow and scrape before their masters to get a job started after that.

Through most of human history, the only people that had to work for someone else are slaves and serfs. Everyone else worked for their family, and sons took over the family business. Your father taught you your trade and then eased you in, and you took over as he aged. You all lived under the same roof.

Modern Western culture is that all young men are losers with zero worth. The elites still pave the way for their sons though. Everyone else? Bow and scrape and beg for a job, then brag to the other wage slaves and those that weren’t “accepted” by the masters, and try to pressure everyone to be a good little slave.

It’s obnoxious and while women love that type of thing, since they are either handed power or refuse to do anything and stick the burden on a man that they are then ungrateful to and take for granted, it kills the free spirit of free men. That’s why men today are mostly effeminate.

Guess who doesn’t have that beaten down loser attitude? The elite, who rule over everything, and Chad, who refuses to submit to his corporate master. And to a lesser extent, those of us that have run our own businesses, and don’t have to bow down nearly as much as regular employees.

It is especially harmful for a man to have a female ruler. And that school point is great. But also at most jobs today, you will run into a female with power over you somewhere or other. Maybe as a bureaucrat or in a corporate accounts department or somewhere else. It’s toxic for men, it kills them.

Of course none of this will change, because the average man likes being a slave and shames everyone else for not being a slave. It’s as Plato said, people of no consequences don’t care in a decayed society, they will just absorb into whatever and not notice. It is great men that are most troubled. Great men will either become philanthropists or misanthropes in a decaying society.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Anonymous wrote:

But also at most jobs today, you will run into a female with power over you somewhere or other. Maybe as a bureaucrat or in a corporate accounts department or somewhere else. It’s toxic for men, it kills them.

This is something men should be aware of. I worked in a place that slowly added more and more female supervisors. Those female supervisors would fire or attempt to fire another male employee. Not once did they go after another female employee. This might be an exception, but other members might have seen this too. Mine was a small set of about five firings, but men should take heed of your warning.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t think you get my point, but my thinking is definitely not “blue pill” even if a lot of blue pill men use an argument which sounds similar at face value.

I think you’ve missed the clear underpinning of human behaviour; it is evolved. Men have evolved to let women ‘get away’ with behaviour that men cannot in exchange for sex and children. Men are not overseers of the world, with the ability to change the landscape like a video game, they are subject to the laws of nature and are themselves influenced by their evolved pre-dispositions. Only a small percentage of men are able to move away from their instincts. You cannot create a collective responsibility on men for the state of affairs, because the collective cultural shift is largely unavoidable (unless you are behind the scenes, part of the elite of the world).

MGTOW is a survival response to most men; it is a reaction to overt male disposability. Very few men chose to go MGTOW, they were forced down that path through interactions with women. Their physical and mental livelihood was at stake.

My overall point, is that there are larger forces at work, the individual man cannot be reasonably held responsible for a cultural shift unless they are especially influential like Soros, Rockefeller etc.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Well the only time I put a woman on a pedestal was when I was experimenting with a sex swing in my youth.

In my opinion, the problem stems from the fact that vagina craving manginas handed over power to women. Once women were given the right to vote, society started down a negative slope. Feminism has morphed into something only seen in horror shows.

[Anonymous 38]

It’s great to read so many responses, fellas.

I can see why some read into my post as some kind of man up and save society bulls~~~. It wasn’t meant like that at all, and I loathe that idea. Individual men aren’t responsible for society, any one man could be the most red pilled motherf~~~er out there and it wouldn’t have changed a damn thing. All the s~~~ that’s happened was probably necessary, I’m glad it did because it’s freed me.

I was really talking about a mindset which bears responsibility for the harm done unto ourselves. It is sort of embarrassing to me to whine about the system having f~~~ed me over. I’d rather keep my dignity and say “I made my choices, I accept any consequences”, no matter how unfair those consequences are (extremely as we know how f~~~ed up things have become). We only got f~~~ed over through ignorance. Now we have the knowledge, we won’t be f~~~ed again.

It is something to do with the honour in me, I refuse to be a victim. That mindset means I can be penniless and completely shunned by society, but nevertheless a king in my heart. Because really, what is inside of me is far more precious than money or popularity, and I won’t let c~~~s define my worth by those things. I define my own worth.

Merry Christmas all.

[Anonymous 12]

In a way our only crime is thinking that these female creatures are noble. We seek to connect with them because we have emotions and aren’t cold blooded.

Yes we made mistakes and we know not to do it again and there are men out there now who will never be with a woman at all.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

NerdTunneler wrote:

“When life gives you lemons….” will say according to each one…

1. make lemonade…
2. eat s~~~ and die…
3. grab tequila and salt…
4. throw it back and demand something else…
5. make a lemonade empire…

would depend on ones perception of life…

We cannot keep looking back…We learned…So we move forward…

About lemons…

Let Life’s manager rue the day when she decided to give you lemons!!

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

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