Our own doing?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

I am not responsible for women or other mangina evils.

I am however responsible if I invite the evils of women and mangina. Like signing the marriage contract or be a cuck or walking ATM.

It’s not my responsibility that women need to look up to man, nor the virtues of society my responsibility. I am however responsible if I bought the lie of society virtues. The original society virtues was created by mutual benefit (It benefit me more giving up the right to kill unprovoked then having the right to kill but need to keep looking over my shoulder for my killer)

I accepted society mutual benefit virtues and reject society one sided sacrifice. I will be responsible for my doom if I accepted society one sided sacrifice.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[SH3LLZParticipant 5569]

We treated them well because they USED to be worth it.

Women lost their values, so they are no longer valuable.

We as men are still builders and doers. They just want to take advantage, F~~~ that!

#ICETHEMOUT!

#ICETHEMOUT!!! #MANOUT!!! #HIDEYOURWEALTH #VAGINAISWORTHLESS

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

I always wanted to be loved like I loved. Through the years it became a desperate need. The conditioning, the control equations, the expectations. All in return for merely the perception of love. Yes I did put women on pedestals, but evermore begrudgingly as each one came and went. Now I’m digesting the red pill. The love that I have can not be reciprocated. I have to own that and it requires responsibility. But. It also gives me great power over my destiny. It still is supremely painful that I now know that my “hole can never be truly filled. A creature that can not only live with itself being detestable,narcissistic, shallow,vain,and devoid of any genuine spiritual depth, but exhalt themselves in some hyperdelusional ego trip truly proves their inferiority to men. Men can be all of these negatives as well. However we at some point find personal accountability and seek to change for the better. At some time in mens lives, we get inklings that something isn’t right. Women use these moments to try change others to benefit themselves.
I look at the mgtow men of history and marvel. I only wish I can be that stoic and assured. Mens catch-21. We are born with genetically predisposed desires and needs that ultimately we see can’t be fulfilled except in a vague and disingenuous way. We didn’t ask for this cruelty, yet we got it! We crave heaven and get hell. No wonder a lot of guys here are atheists. How could a loving God want this s~~~ for his loved ones? In the end, it is obvious. Men build,create,endure,sacrifice and truly love. Women do not. Most men are good and decent. All women,by the proof of their nature are whores.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

I say we did good.

This is great times we are living.

It’s perfect, what wold you rather have?

Work slave? Stay married to a c~~~ with no sex?
Raising kids that ain’t yours, becouse let’s face it, who knows who is your father…

No men, this is great, I AM FREE. I will work for ME, I will die alone in a nursery home like everyone else, I will live according to my principles and will die with no regret.

Marriage and family before was not better.

The only diference is the lie has come to light.

THANKS FEMINISM.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 5]

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

I always wanted to be loved like I loved. Through the years it became a desperate need. The conditioning, the control equations, the expectations. All in return for merely the perception of love. Yes I did put women on pedestals, but evermore begrudgingly as each one came and went. Now I’m digesting the red pill. The love that I have can not be reciprocated. I have to own that and it requires responsibility. But. It also gives me great power over my destiny. It still is supremely painful that I now know that my “hole can never be truly filled. A creature that can not only live with itself being detestable,narcissistic, shallow,vain,and devoid of any genuine spiritual depth, but exhalt themselves in some hyperdelusional ego trip truly proves their inferiority to men. Men can be all of these negatives as well. However we at some point find personal accountability and seek to change for the better. At some time in mens lives, we get inklings that something isn’t right. Women use these moments to try change others to benefit themselves.
I look at the mgtow men of history and marvel. I only wish I can be that stoic and assured. Mens catch-21. We are born with genetically predisposed desires and needs that ultimately we see can’t be fulfilled except in a vague and disingenuous way. We didn’t ask for this cruelty, yet we got it! We crave heaven and get hell. No wonder a lot of guys here are atheists. How could a loving God want this s~~~ for his loved ones? In the end, it is obvious. Men build,create,endure,sacrifice and truly love. Women do not. Most men are good and decent. All women,by the proof of their nature are whores.

I couldn’t agree more.

As a young man, to learn the truth, it hurts!

Knowing I can never be loved, or love someone.

I was a Christian, but I’m leaning towards atheism now. A loving God? I don’t know…

I can never have a kid of my own. F~~~!

[Anonymous 5]

Carnage wrote:

I say we did good.

This is great times we are living.

It’s perfect, what wold you rather have?

Work slave? Stay married to a c~~~ with no sex?
Raising kids that ain’t yours, becouse let’s face it, who knows who is your father…

No men, this is great, I AM FREE. I will work for ME, I will die alone in a nursery home like everyone else, I will live according to my principles and will die with no regret.

Marriage and family before was not better.

The only diference is the lie has come to light.

THANKS FEMINISM.

Spare us your bulls~~~, tuff guy.

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

Anonymous wrote:

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

I always wanted to be loved like I loved. Through the years it became a desperate need. The conditioning, the control equations, the expectations. All in return for merely the perception of love. Yes I did put women on pedestals, but evermore begrudgingly as each one came and went. Now I’m digesting the red pill. The love that I have can not be reciprocated. I have to own that and it requires responsibility. But. It also gives me great power over my destiny. It still is supremely painful that I now know that my “hole can never be truly filled. A creature that can not only live with itself being detestable,narcissistic, shallow,vain,and devoid of any genuine spiritual depth, but exhalt themselves in some hyperdelusional ego trip truly proves their inferiority to men. Men can be all of these negatives as well. However we at some point find personal accountability and seek to change for the better. At some time in mens lives, we get inklings that something isn’t right. Women use these moments to try change others to benefit themselves.
I look at the mgtow men of history and marvel. I only wish I can be that stoic and assured. Mens catch-21. We are born with genetically predisposed desires and needs that ultimately we see can’t be fulfilled except in a vague and disingenuous way. We didn’t ask for this cruelty, yet we got it! We crave heaven and get hell. No wonder a lot of guys here are atheists. How could a loving God want this s~~~ for his loved ones? In the end, it is obvious. Men build,create,endure,sacrifice and truly love. Women do not. Most men are good and decent. All women,by the proof of their nature are whores.

I couldn’t agree more.

As a young man, to learn the truth, it hurts!

Knowing I can never be loved, or love someone.

I was a Christian, but I’m leaning towards atheism now. A loving God? I don’t know…

I can never have a kid of my own. F~~~!

I’m glad for you that you know this now being young. I’m 52 and have been married 4 times with 3 children. My oldest was so poisoned against me by my ex that he won’t even talk to me. I have outright hatred for her that is unspeakable. That you don’t know this kind of hell is a blessing. This abyss that we older mgtow are in is one that the young need not experience to understand it’s pain. While I have grown character from it, it has done everlasting damage that just can’t be justified. I understand Carnage. He lives in Spain. It is many magnitudes worse there for men. When I was racing in England, I had a Spanish girlfriend from Valencia. Outright crazy bitch! And this was back in the 80s.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

I always wanted to be loved like I loved. Through the years it became a desperate need. The conditioning, the control equations, the expectations. All in return for merely the perception of love. Yes I did put women on pedestals, but evermore begrudgingly as each one came and went. Now I’m digesting the red pill. The love that I have can not be reciprocated. I have to own that and it requires responsibility. But. It also gives me great power over my destiny. It still is supremely painful that I now know that my “hole can never be truly filled. A creature that can not only live with itself being detestable,narcissistic, shallow,vain,and devoid of any genuine spiritual depth, but exhalt themselves in some hyperdelusional ego trip truly proves their inferiority to men. Men can be all of these negatives as well. However we at some point find personal accountability and seek to change for the better. At some time in mens lives, we get inklings that something isn’t right. Women use these moments to try change others to benefit themselves.
I look at the mgtow men of history and marvel. I only wish I can be that stoic and assured. Mens catch-21. We are born with genetically predisposed desires and needs that ultimately we see can’t be fulfilled except in a vague and disingenuous way. We didn’t ask for this cruelty, yet we got it! We crave heaven and get hell. No wonder a lot of guys here are atheists. How could a loving God want this s~~~ for his loved ones? In the end, it is obvious. Men build,create,endure,sacrifice and truly love. Women do not. Most men are good and decent. All women,by the proof of their nature are whores.

Perfect!

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Viciouscunningtreacherous wrote:

I have outright hatred for her that is unspeakable.

That hate stayed in my family and made me allergic to everything “female” in a way that “anything more” after growing up in female insanity NEVER EVEN HAPPENED.

Actually that “hate” is now spread out to all AWALT’s – the moment I recognize them as such.

Still I don’t hate women by nature. But sad fact is that the vast majority of them are dumb and opinionated c~~~s. And I hate c~~~s.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 12]

Gargamel wrote:

I speak in the “we form” too, because all of us are more or less in the same boat. Just some of us saw what was going on – or what was to come – and avoided misery in their/our lives.
But we are the prophets whose predictions sadly came true and our wisdom is needed to help others climb and evolve out of this hell.
This site here lives through “prophets” who can be neutral and “distanced” because we live outside of blue pill hell.
Or the prophets who have been there and know what they are talking about.

We?
These idiots! The F~~~tards that gave women Voting rights without Going through the Military?
These men were acting before i was even Born.
Many of them are already Dead.
Many of them were already dead by the time i was born.

I do not know about you and Taoist being part of the Male Brotherhood/Hive-memind/Collective that was founded centuries ago and is now “victim” of ITS own weakness.

I certainly am not part of that. I am not Part of “The F~~~up”. If you say “We…” then you might think otherwise considering yourself.
I got lucky and had my wits about me when i pulled out of the Game.

F~~~ the male Brotherhood. F~~~ the Bluepill Mindset. F~~~ white feathers.

Learn from the past, but do not identify with it!

[Branched offParticipant 11006]

SH3LLZ wrote:

We treated them well because they USED to be worth it.

Spot on. Due to a convergence of technology and equality legislation (made by men who over valued women) they stopped needing us, so they stopped valuing us and treated us how they pleased. That made them stop being worth it.

The secret they do not all know is that actually they do still need us. All those strong independent women could not protect themselves let alone even even mend the roads they drive on or build the offices they work in.

At some point an oversold stock gets revalued and an over bought one gets sold harder than it even deserves. Men have been over sold for several decades. The revaluing will come even if we do not live to see it. One day they will have to start being worth it again if they are to buy our love and care.

Mean time we need to make a point of starting to short sell their stock -ditch shares in the bitch. This has been our fathers’ and grandfathers’ doing but we can undo it for our grandsons.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

We?

We MGTOW and likewise minded men who want to see the truth.

Blue pill cucks are not “we”.

But if you read Esther Vilar’s “The manipulated man” then the “we form” is appropriate.

Women exploit us all. Most blue pill cucks just have not seen the light yet and as always: You will never convince everyone.

For the time being, they will remain our enemy.

But many MGTOW here are former blue pill “women-pleasers” who have converted after getting thrown the cold truth in their faces.

We are men. Some of us can’t be saved.

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Branched off wrote:

One day they will have to start being worth it again if they are to buy our love and care.

The will have to become human or the human race will die out. Feminism and the plummeting birth rates it brought about is also ravaging through the Muslim countries. They too will soon – within a few years – follow our Western example.

Branched off wrote:

Mean time we need to make a point of starting to short sell their stock -ditch shares in the bitch. This has been our fathers’ and grandfathers’ doing but we can undo it for our grandsons.

Yes, women’s pussy currency just broke the support line and couldn’t recover… After a failed retest…. I only see red candles for pussy currency.

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[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Spare what?

You want a tuff guy? Go hit a wall, me? I’m walking away.

Im dead serius, this society is not f~~~ed up, is a pile of manure.

Now if you can’t use manure as fertilizer, well pall that’s your problem, me? IM DOING SOO F~~~ING GOOD.

I quited my job one week ago, nothing actually lined up, started a new job yesterday, better inconme, work load ain’t too heavy and the boss is trying to groom me Soo I stay.

The more useless people there is in this world the better my chances to be the king.

The king of a pile of manure, but still the king.

Go muzzies, go feminist, go fat acceptance, púas are rigth (man up), go snowflakes and SJW, women have the right to explore their bodies and sexuality, work on your career (and pay me for fertility treatment at 40) all this s~~~ is good FOR ME.

My skills and training is always more or less required, in one place or another.

If s~~~ hit the fan and Kim blows us up, at least I got my fireworks.

Enjoy the decline, popcorn?

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Carnage wrote:

The more useless people there is in this world the better my chances to be the king.

Carnage wrote:

My skills and training is always more or less required, in one place or another.

That’s the way it is.

For years we were told that we would not get employment after age 40 or so…

I now LOL to that.

I am off the public eye for 4 years now and people still have no replacement. I could reenter at any time if I were physically capable. But I have a severe case of MCS (T 78.4) and the air in most people’s homes makes me sick like the flu within seconds.

At age 60, my insurance will run out and by that time I will have build a new business that I can do from the bedside.

No worries, because people get dumber every year.

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[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Yes gargamel understands, I need more useless people, I need them Soo dumb they can’t even go to the bathroom without a GPS.

The future is bright MGTOWs grab the necessary skills and roast a chicken in the burning fire of society.

That is what the big guys do, the guys who control the world also want dumb people that is how they retain power.

Just learn to play the game.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 5]

Carnage wrote:

Spare what?

You want a tuff guy? Go hit a wall, me? I’m walking away.

Im dead serius, this society is not f~~~ed up, is a pile of manure.

Now if you can’t use manure as fertilizer, well pall that’s your problem, me? IM DOING SOO F~~~ING GOOD.

I quited my job one week ago, nothing actually lined up, started a new job yesterday, better inconme, work load ain’t too heavy and the boss is trying to groom me Soo I stay.

The more useless people there is in this world the better my chances to be the king.

The king of a pile of manure, but still the king.

Go muzzies, go feminist, go fat acceptance, púas are rigth (man up), go snowflakes and SJW, women have the right to explore their bodies and sexuality, work on your career (and pay me for fertility treatment at 40) all this s~~~ is good FOR ME.

My skills and training is always more or less required, in one place or another.

If s~~~ hit the fan and Kim blows us up, at least I got my fireworks.

Enjoy the decline, popcorn?

Do you even comprehend English? I think not!

You think I’m not enjoying my life as a single man? Hell yes I am! You think I stay depressed? Hell the f~~~ no!

Actually, feminism have also liberated men. And that’s a good thing.

But, sometimes biology kicks in, and f~~~s with me.

Women are “liberated” too. More sluts to stick my c~~~ in…great!

You have a new job?

Good for you mate.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Carnage wrote:

Yes gargamel understands, I need more useless people, I need them Soo dumb they can’t even go to the bathroom without a GPS.

In 2008, a German bestselling book came out:

“Generation Stupid”

Sadly there is no English version available.

But the book is hilarious!

https://www.amazon.de/Generation-Doof-bl%C3%B6d-sind-eigentlich/dp/3404605969

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[BadgerParticipant 2277]

surfdude12 wrote:

Yes, in 1910, 90% of families lived on farms so boys worked with their fathers on the farms and had male mentor growing up. That’s how it was for millions of years
In 1920-1930, 90% of families moved to cities, men went to work in city and boys were raised 100% by women (Mom at home, followed by female teachers at school). So boys learned female approval is necessary for success. So that’s where things got all f~~~ed up

Those area some good points. The whole social fabric has slowly changed. I have spent the last decade doing family histories and genealogies and that is how it happened in our families. The rural population declined, as you indirectly noted, and women more an more had influence over children, and especially boys. I had six great-aunts, and like women of their generation, they all became grade school teachers after they became adults. I never had a male teacher until high school in the mid-1950s, as did few other men back then.

Whoever can control young minds has a power that can be easily abused.

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

Gargamel wrote:

Carnage wrote:

Yes gargamel understands, I need more useless people, I need them Soo dumb they can’t even go to the bathroom without a GPS.

In 2008, a German bestselling book came out:

“Generation Stupid”

Sadly there is no English version available.

But the book is hilarious!

https://www.amazon.de/Generation-Doof-bl%C3%B6d-sind-eigentlich/dp/3404605969

Amen bro! I make a fine living thanks to the morons out there. Jus play the game guys. We end up with the money.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

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