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Anonymous38We place women as our equals and worse, we pedestalize them. But a woman needs to look up to a man to be happy.
In this way, we are responsible for a lot of our failures with women. Now we are not ‘to blame’ for this, society conditions us to believe this and actually, it’s virtuous to place your partner as your equal. But nature doesn’t care about ‘virtue’, as we can see all around us.
I am not a trad con, a PUA or whatever. What I am is a man who takes full responsibility for his actions, and so I cannot put my hand on my heart and say “women f~~~ed me over”. Because even if I was f~~~ed over, I let them do it. It might not have been ‘my fault’, but there was something missing in me that allowed my being taken advantage of. Having learned it, it won’t happen again.
Red flags won’t be ignored, no pussy passes issued.
There is obviously the risk of offending men who’ve been truly put through the grinder by this repugnant civilization. I’m not telling you it’s your fault. I feel for you, truly. Especially those who have lost access to children and financial assets. Rather it is something to do with the unassailable nobility of man. Even as a homeless bum I possess more dignity, honour and virtue than all the women put together. Call it ego, call it posturing, whatever, but I refuse to be a victim. I just refuse. I am a man and nobody can harm me without my permission, as Gandhi said.
Last night I was reflecting on the relationships I’ve been in and there’s definitely been a correlation between her happiness and my level of disengagement. It would have satisfied her hypergamy that I’m a sufficient prize.
The girls we really ‘fall for’, usually highly attractive and sexual, we start simping for. And you quickly become invisible to them as they look for a better prize.
If a man can truly reach a place where he sees women as beneath him, some kind of harmonious relationship is possible, I think.
It doesn’t matter how ‘hot’ she is, how ‘kind’, ‘smart’, whatever. She’s a woman and she is beneath you because of everything we know being red pill men. It’s like that truth is finally dawning on me now.
Thoughts?
Anonymous12stop the “We” please.
There is no We. Just You and Me.I refuse to be thrown into a group of men who have pedestalized the women of this world.
I looked up to them because i wanted their T~~~ hanging in my face,
But never in any other way.Just Bulls~~~.
NAMALT.
They are called MGTOW, and you are in a place full of them.mgtow taoist, well said.
We men let it happen. For decades.
And the clock cannot be turned back.
Now the laws are so bent and biased against us that we are now forced to let it happen because all measures of keeping women in check are now made illegal and can get you jailed.
Walking away and letting the system dry out all by itself is the only solution or option left.
I refuse to be thrown into a group of men who have pedestalized the women of this world.
I speak in the “we form” too, because all of us are more or less in the same boat. Just some of us saw what was going on – or what was to come – and avoided misery in their/our lives.
But we are the prophets whose predictions sadly came true and our wisdom is needed to help others climb and evolve out of this hell.
This site here lives through “prophets” who can be neutral and “distanced” because we live outside of blue pill hell.
Or the prophets who have been there and know what they are talking about.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Anonymous42In this way, we are responsible for a lot of our failures with women
I’m not responsible for wild animals and I’m not responsible for wild women. I’m just not! I’m only responsible for my relative position with them and “their laws”.
If a man can truly reach a place where he sees women as beneath him, some kind of harmonious relationship is possible, I think.
I think NOT! There’s no position for a man anywhere near a woman that doesn’t fall under the penalty of LAW.
What the f~~~ were you sniffing?
You seriously need to BLOW OFF all the BLUE PILL SHAME and RESPONSIBILITY for the way things are and FREE YOURSELF!
WE ARE ALL VICTIMS OF LEGAL AND POLITICAL CIRCUMSTANCE!
THIS SOCIETY HAS SOURED, THEREBY SPOILING ALL THINGS GOOD!
F~~~ THAT! PIN THAT TAIL ON THE DONKEY, NOT ME!
Anonymous38stop the “We” please.
There is no We. Just You and Me.I refuse to be thrown into a group of men who have pedestalized the women of this world.
I looked up to them because i wanted their T~~~ hanging in my face,
But never in any other way.Just Bulls~~~.
NAMALT.
They are called MGTOW, and you are in a place full of them.We, MGTOW – most of us, pedestalized women. I think that’s a fact. Might not apply to every single MGTOW but to most of them, I think it does. The red pill would not have been so bitter if we did not. We share something as well as being different, g-mow.
Anonymous38mgtow_taoist wrote:
In this way, we are responsible for a lot of our failures with women
I’m not responsible for wild animals and I’m not responsible for wild women. I’m just not! I’m only responsible for my relative position with them and “their laws”.You are responsible for yourself Tower, that’s my point.
You seriously need to BLOW OFF all the BLUE PILL SHAME and RESPONSIBILITY for the way things are and FREE YOURSELF!
Freedom? That’s the ability to do as one wishes. Freedom is not you telling me what the “right way” is. You can’t really prove your way is any wiser than mine, can you? Some of us choose life over nihilism.
I dont think its about who is beneath whom…No one is better than anyone. Just do your own thing. I dont know if I make sense so I will use an analogy…
Some may say that a Lambo is the best car out there…I beg to differ…A car is good for the purpose it was built. The Lambo was designed for looks and open paved roads…It is next to useless on a rocky mountain. A pickup would be king of the mountain but would be devastated on the open road by a Lambo…A tractor would be laughed at for being the slowest but it beats the other two cars at muddy farming jobs…
Same as having a Ferrari or a Taxi…They both have the same speed in a highly congested city…So you cant class one as better than the other when everyone is stuck in the same s~~~…Same with genders…Each of us has our own strength and weakness…The problem is when the weemin usurps the strength of the men and takes it as her own and at the same time abandoning her duty…
A beautiful Lambo is wrecked when you forced it to be king of the mountain or beast of the farm….Hope I got my message through…
I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...
Anonymous38I dont think its about who is beneath whom…No one is better than anyone. Just do your own thing. I dont know if I make sense so I will use an analogy…
Some may say that a Lambo is the best car out there…I beg to differ…A car is good for the purpose it was built. The Lambo was designed for looks and open paved roads…It is next to useless on a rocky mountain. A pickup would be king of the mountain but would be devastated on the open road by a Lambo…A tractor would be laughed at for being the slowest but it beats the other two cars at muddy farming jobs…
Same as having a Ferrari or a Taxi…They both have the same speed in a highly congested city…So you cant class one as better than the other when everyone is stuck in the same s~~~…Same with genders…Each of us has our own strength and weakness…The problem is when the weemin usurps the strength of the men and takes it as her own and at the same time abandoning her duty…
A beautiful Lambo is wrecked when you forced it to be king of the mountain or beast of the farm….Hope I got my message through…
That’s a very good analogy, I got it.
Yes objectively there’s no better or worse. But then one can simply argue objectively there’s no difference between anything, because everything is perception, and perceptions differ. Also as in the analogy, what’s good in one setting is crap in another.
So men and women are different but I guess in a cosmic sense we’re equal. I still perceive that men are better, certainly MGTOW because we are generally good, thinking men who reject the degenerate world.
I write these posts to challenge men’s ways of thinking. I know there are lots of men still struggling with certain concepts and philosophies, these discourses can be useful to help move past them. I can be passionate in my argumentation but I mean no disrespect and if I cross the line with anyone, I don’t mind being told as such.
Anonymous38We men let it happen. For decades.
And the clock cannot be turned back.
Now the laws are so bent and biased against us that we are now forced to let it happen because all measures of keeping women in check are now made illegal and can get you jailed.
Walking away and letting the system dry out all by itself is the only solution or option left.Exactly, Gargamel.
“We get what we tolerate” — TaxGuy
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
I dont think its about who is beneath whom…No one is better than anyone. Just do your own thing. I dont know if I make sense so I will use an analogy…
So men and women are different but I guess in a cosmic sense we’re equal. I still perceive that men are better, certainly MGTOW because we are generally good, thinking men who reject the degenerate world.
Personally, I’m more in tune with NerdTunneler. I’m not into that whole evaluating system of “better” or “equal to” or whatever.
I look at women in general more and more like used cars-to keep with the car analogy. Different cars have different uses and purposes, but personally I have no use for any garage queens.
Drive em, put some miles on em, but don’t get attached to any one car in particular, and send it down the road when it’s time for a change.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
because everything is perception, and perceptions differ
the degenerate world
That is one perspective. In some ways that others here wish for the world to burn. Others are glad they are out of the plantation. Some may be be angry, others will make the most of what has been given to them. The age old adage of “When life gives you lemons….” will say according to each one…
1. make lemonade…
2. eat s~~~ and die…
3. grab tequila and salt…
4. throw it back and demand something else…
5. make a lemonade empire…would depend on ones perception of life…
We cannot keep looking back…We learned…So we move forward…
I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...
We place women as our equals and worse, we pedestalize them
You might have done, I never did.
http://www.leavemeansleave.eu
No. This is blue pill thinking, blue pill men always try to create a narrative where they are the ones responsible for other people’s actions. They have a constant chip on their shoulder and feel as if they owe the world something.
This idea that things are the doing of men in general is also devoid of evidence. There are two main factors:
1. Technological advances such as mechanized labour, birth control, mobile phones, internet etc.
2. Powerful families and corporations that used their power and money to influence the general public
The general man does not invent, and the general man does not take these inventions and use them to influence the public. The general man is just trying to survive.
This idea that men ‘allowed’ women to become like this is nonsense, we don’t live in a rural village, we live in a globalized world.
Anonymous38We place women as our equals and worse, we pedestalize them
You might have done, I never did.
Don’t get me wrong, I never truly thought they were above me. Even as a blue piller I wasn’t a pathetic simp cowering at her feet. However in the sense that I believed to love is to care for them wholeheartedly, to put the other before oneself, I did pedastalize. At least put her higher than what she is in reality.
Yes, in 1910, 90% of families lived on farms so boys worked with their fathers on the farms and had male mentor growing up. That’s how it was for millions of years
In 1920-1930, 90% of families moved to cities, men went to work in city and boys were raised 100% by women (Mom at home, followed by female teachers at school). So boys learned female approval is necessary for success. So that’s where things got all f~~~ed up
I have to admit: I am/was one of those guys that bought into the narrative. I was married twice: taken to the cleaners TWICE! I had an inherent, built-in understanding…not articulated but just…felt. An understanding that “s~~~ shouldn’t be this way”. But…Until I started really questioning the narrative, that blue-pill was the way a man should live and treat his woman, I only had the feeling something was wrong. I believe it’s called “ignorance”. I was ignorant of the ways of MGTOW. I was too busy trying to live up to the narrative I was fed, about how a man was supposed to act, think, provide and support a woman. I was indoctrinated to believe that a man was a “loser” if he didn’t have a woman or successful family. It wasn’t until the fire burned me, via the court system for example, that I really started to doubt life. I was ignorant! Not stupid, mind you. Stupidity is an inability or unwillingness to learn. Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge on a specific subject. MGTOW cured my ignorance. If I had access to, or had known an example of true MGTOW earlier…well…my life would have been greatly influenced and changed for the better. Which is why I am constantly sending things to my son that are MGTOW related. Trying to educate him before he makes the mistakes I made. It’s not necessarily “men’s” fault…we simply have to get the message out to as many men as possible…before they can make the mistakes we did! I guess that is my goal: which is why I pay to be a member of this site. To be a part of that. I think that that should be a cornerstone of a place like this: To reach as many men as possible, hopefully before they make the mistakes we did. Or even just to enlighten the many blue-pills out there that there may be an alternative worth looking into, should they come to the inevitable conclusion that the traditional narrative is going to fail them. Merry Christmas MGTOW Men! #MANOUT!
An educated, armed populace cannot be enslaved.
Anonymous38No. This is blue pill thinking, blue pill men always try to create a narrative where they are the ones responsible for other people’s actions. They have a constant chip on their shoulder and feel as if they owe the world something.
This idea that things are the doing of men in general is also devoid of evidence. There are two main factors:
1. Technological advances such as mechanized labour, birth control, mobile phones, internet etc.
2. Powerful families and corporations that used their power and money to influence the general public
The general man does not invent, and the general man does not take these inventions and use them to influence the public. The general man is just trying to survive.
This idea that men ‘allowed’ women to become like this is nonsense, we don’t live in a rural village, we live in a globalized world.I don’t think you get my point, but my thinking is definitely not “blue pill” even if a lot of blue pill men use an argument which sounds similar at face value.
Anonymous38I have to admit: I am/was one of those guys that bought into the narrative. I was married twice: taken to the cleaners TWICE! I had an inherent, built-in understanding…not articulated but just…felt. An understanding that “s~~~ shouldn’t be this way”. But…Until I started really questioning the narrative, that blue-pill was the way a man should live and treat his woman, I only had the feeling something was wrong. I believe it’s called “ignorance”. I was ignorant of the ways of MGTOW. I was too busy trying to live up to the narrative I was fed, about how a man was supposed to act, think, provide and support a woman. I was indoctrinated to believe that a man was a “loser” if he didn’t have a woman or successful family. It wasn’t until the fire burned me, via the court system for example, that I really started to doubt life. I was ignorant! Not stupid, mind you. Stupidity is an inability or unwillingness to learn. Ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge on a specific subject. MGTOW cured my ignorance. If I had access to, or had known an example of true MGTOW earlier…well…my life would have been greatly influenced and changed for the better. Which is why I am constantly sending things to my son that are MGTOW related. Trying to educate him before he makes the mistakes I made. It’s not necessarily “men’s” fault…we simply have to get the message out to as many men as possible…before they can make the mistakes we did! I guess that is my goal: which is why I pay to be a member of this site. To be a part of that. I think that that should be a cornerstone of a place like this: To reach as many men as possible, hopefully before they make the mistakes we did. Or even just to enlighten the many blue-pills out there that there may be an alternative worth looking into, should they come to the inevitable conclusion that the traditional narrative is going to fail them. Merry Christmas MGTOW Men! #MANOUT!
Amen brother.
Anonymous5No, I’m not responsible for a soul, but myself.
Women were put here to be f~~~ed, and make babies. But, nooo, let’s give them power that flourish above and beyond the LAW.
I’m a millennial, and people give my kind all types of names. Some of you old folks, are to blame.
Yes, I said it.
If you had guts, society wouldn’t be a pile of s~~~. You gave women power, you gave the elites the right to f~~~ society over. You hand fed feminism, and made it into the monster it is today.
I grew up in a society that stinks of s~~~, and the smell is on me now.
But, thank God, I’ve found mgtow before it was too late.
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