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(I caveated it, because some women who appear loyal may simply not realize they have options to monkey-branch and would be disloyal otherwise)
Good point!
Perhaps a foreign woman who is totally unaware of the western gynocentric system. As soon as she finds out, the cat is out of the bag and it is game over for the man.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Women are as loyal as whatever options they think they have.
If anyone takes away anything from this thread, THIS is what they should take away.
In just a single sentence, Ranger explained what I’ve failed to do in several posts.
Mike’s addendum is just as important. A non-Western woman may be more loyal at first but, once she learns what she can legally get away with, she’s as bad as a Western woman if not worse.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
There are two types of selfishness. The first type is the one where I give myself the pleasure of pleasing myself. That’s what we generally call self-centeredness.
The second is when I give myself the pleasure of pleasing others. That would be a more refined kind of selfishness.
The first one is very obvious, but the second one is hidden, very hidden, and for that reason more dangerous, because we get to feel that we’re really great. But maybe we’re not all that great after all.To do something only for yourself, that is one of the most honest acts that a person can do. Being a people pleaser is one of the most dishonest acts one can do. You’d be lying to yourself and to the person you’re trying to please.
Don't be a "provider" unless you are providing for yourself.
Okay, I’m running with you on this. The question then becomes why should the returns continue after the investments aren’t coming in anymore? On either side? It shouldn’t be different than a subscription based service, should it?
Because, depending on where you live, the law says that alimony is required. But I agree with you that it is not logical, and therefor should be considered one of the many reasons not to sign a marriage contract.
That said, I do see Bill’s point that relations are not business transactions. They should not be loaded with guarantees of services and such. Risk should be involved to some extent. However, alimony and other such things raise the risk level too much and provide a wife too much incentive for ruining the life of her husband.
Ok. Then do it.
Mike’s addendum is just as important. A non-Western woman may be more loyal at first but, once she learns what she can legally get away with, she’s as bad as a Western woman if not worse.
Yes!
The same can be said about the good ‘ol days when women were on their “best” behavior, cooking, cleaning, taking care of their man etc….their true hypergamous nature was always present, but the <correction old> “system” did not allow them to freely express this, hence they were covert.
Women will never fight against a system that allows them to freely and openly express their hypergamous nature, which is where feminism came into play.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
I don’t blame the guys at all that suffer from this, they’re operating under the belief that if they’re generous, someone will be generous in return- though I do think they should redpill.
I have to disagree with you on that as no one owes anyone anything just for being nice. The “nice” guys are insulting themselves by operating on the belief that, “If I’m nice maybe she’ll touch my pee pee.” The women that they are putting on pedestals are going to age into old hags. The worse thing is that they often shower them with gifts and whether she sleeps with him or not, he will never see that money again. I have no sympathy for nice guys. Sympathy would only make them into victims just as the incels say that they are victims. They’re not victims.
Don't be a "provider" unless you are providing for yourself.
their true hypergamous nature was always present
Exactly. The behavior in question is innate, not learned.
The difference is whether laws or cultural taboos suppress or support that behavior.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
The difference is whether laws or cultural taboos suppress or support that behavior.
Spot on!
Their nature is unleashed. The old system kept women in their place, but the blue pill manginas decided to let them roam free. I do not point my finger at women and blame them. I point my finger at the blue pill enablers.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Nice Guy Syndrome
There’s no such thing.
Whether he’s a creep or a bad boy or a nice guy or an asshole or whatever is determined by whether or not she wants to f~~~ him, not on anything he actually does. It’s all in her head.
Every definition of it I see blames the man or makes him out to be a horrible, ugly human being
Of course it’s all about him. Society doesn’t permit us to criticize, or even examine, her behavior.
Going Your Own Way is largely a matter of telling society to f~~~ off about that, and examine her behavior regardless of what society says.
But really, why is it such an unreasonable thing to expect some kind of return for spending time, money, and effort?
But you do get something in return: more demands for your time, money, and effort.
Women will complain about a man, calling him a “Nice Guy” when he does things for her. She’ll also complain about the same man, calling him an “Asshole”, when he doesn’t do things for her. The only constant there is her complaining, no matter what.
So given that women are going to complain regardless, you’re always better off ignoring their desires and saving your effort, time, etc. for yourself.
‘Nice guys” are often f’n idiots who don’t know better yet.
Most “Nice Guys” are raised by single mothers. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Nice guys ain’t actually nice. They are people pleasers so they get their needs met. Usually in the form of approval.
How does that make them not nice?
Sidecar – because being nice is a strategy. Which means their niceness is false and based on personal gain.
That is the main motive.If a person does what is right and not what gains them approval that is the better approach to take. As a result some of your actions may be seen as nice but other actions not.
Our focus should bpnot be on gaining approval or pleasing others but instead on doing what is right or principled.
Yes Sidecar you are right about most nice guys being raised by single mothers. Consequently they internalise toxic shame. In other words they are only approved of, loved, accepted etc IF……
Many nice guys never get over that IF so spend their lives look8ng for approval. Hence the agenda.
They’ll do what it takes to be approved of which can often be at a cost for someone else. As long as they get the approval from the person that matters they don’t care.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
If a person does what is right and not what gains them approval that is the better approach to take.
Hence the difference between being nice and good.
Excellent explanation, Doc. Thank you for it.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
You are welcome Bill.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Sidecar – because being nice is a strategy. Which means their niceness is false and based on personal gain.
That is the main motive.Irrelevant. It’s still him being nice.
That’s an explanation I hear from women a lot about men who are nice to then that they don’t want to f~~~ but wish to continue receiving benefits from. Instead of feeling guilty for using a man, they impugn his character.
: “I’m not a dishonest c~~~ tease leading on some poor nice but clueless schmuck for my own benefit. He’s actually not nice. I’m the real victim here.”
I’m surprised to hear the same argument form a man here. We, of all people, should know better.
I am unaware of a single “Nice Guy” who wasn’t being led on by some manipulative bitch for her own benefit. So yes, “Nice Guys” are naive. Yes, they are deluded. Yes, they are chumps. They’ve been brought up to be that way (almost always by single mothers).
But that’s all they are.
Vilifying them for being deluded or making them out to be in some way nefarious for going along with the gynocentric lie society has rammed down their throats all their lives is a c~~~ move.
I’m not a particular fan of this woman in this video, but her take on “Nice Guys” is spot on.
I know what you mean Sidecar.
The behavior is nice whether it’s designed to gain approval or not.But there are times when the person who is being nice may be causing issues for someone else which ultimately does not make them nice.
Being nice to one person at a cost to another is not being a nice guy on the whole.
Doing what is right despite how one is perceived (be that nice or not nice) is the correct approach. Sticking to ones principles.
Say for example we have 3 people. Call them A B AND C
Let’s say A has a problem with C so they dislike each other.
But Both like B.
Let’s say A sounds off to B about C and B agrees with what A says. He’s a nice guy.
But let’s say B then talks to C who sounds off about A. B then agrees with C. Because he is nice.
But in reality B is not nice because he talks about both A and C behind their backs. But both think he’s a nice guy.
Now what B should do is weigh up the differences between A and C and make his own mind up which means he will be honest with both, thereby pleasing one and displeasing the other. That is a good guy.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
I appreciate the point you are making though Sidecar.
Many decent good men who are striving to do the right thing have led to destruction by spiteful duplicitous women.
I understand. I am one of those very men.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Society has conditioned men, ever since birth, to believe in crap that goes against reality.
A lot of this crap can be seen in Hollywood romance movies where, at the beginning, the nice guy gets rejected by the hot girl, only to see her run towards the bad boy. Towards the end of the movie, she runs from the bad boy into the arms of the nice guy and they live happily ever after. WRONG!
In reality, the nice guy will be rejected in the beginning and the woman will run to the bad boy. She has a fight with him, comes to the nice guy (eventually taking half his s~~~) and then goes back to the bad boy, whom she will have fun and wild sex with, whilst waiting for the next simp to walk by.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Now what B should do is weigh up the differences between A and C and make his own mind up which means he will be honest with both, thereby pleasing one and displeasing the other. That is a good guy.
Nice little analogy, Doc.
At the end of the day, there will always be someone who dislikes us, no matter what. Even for no reason.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
I used to be such a sweet, sweet thing
‘Til they got a hold of me
I opened doors for little old ladies
I helped the blind to see
I got no friends cause they read the papers
They can’t be seen
with me
and I’m gettin’ real shot down
And I’m feeling meanNo more Mister Nice Guy
No more Mister Clean
No more Mister Nice Guy
They say he’s sick, he’s obsceneThe evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Now what B should do is weigh up the differences between A and C and make his own mind up which means he will be honest with both, thereby pleasing one and displeasing the other. That is a good guy.
Nice little analogy, Doc.
At the end of the day, there will always be someone who dislikes us, no matter what. Even for no reason.
Glad you appreciate it Mike.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous42Nice guy to ICE GUY, I’ll never warm up to any of their bulls~~~!
And believe me, their bulls~~~ runs straight through to the other side!
Thanks feminism, you win! You keep what you kill!
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