The Moose's trip down the rabbit hole…

[BoBParticipant 823]

Moose, I’ll tell you this. Your kid will probably try to find you one day. One approach to prepare for this is to write him a letter TODAY, that you keep in your files. Hell, make it a book. Tell him now, while your emotions are still sharp, what happened from your perspective and what you felt you had to do about it. If he ever seeks you out, you take him to your safe, unlock it, and hand it to him. Tell him you’ve been waiting for the chance to share it. Of course, only do this if he has matured enough to understand it.

Set some money aside for him, that his bitch mother can’t spend, and give it to him later. If he isn’t a young man who has earned that support, you’ll still have the money to use for an emergency.

Just some ideas.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Moose wrote:

……that’s Seaside Hts isn’t it?

I have family near Rutherford and I spent some summers in New Jersey.

The East Coast is a lot of fun. From time to time, I must go to the ocean and play in the water.

When I was in California, I stayed near Huntington Beach.

Moose wrote:

…..Filing court certifications with my complaints just to have a judge basically tell me to pound sand, and sticking through this garbage for ten years until I finally couldn’t take it anymore…ran out of gas……..

It is good that you are able to write about what happened to you while you were on the Plantation and also write about your life as a free men.

Here is a link to the story of Thomas Ball who you may relate to:

/forums/topic/thomas-ball-died-for-your-sins-too/

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[MooseParticipant 154]

CombatRoll wrote:

Great intro and kudos for digging yourself out of a s~~~hole with a selfish c~~~.

Welcome to the rest of your life – don’t f~~~ it up by marrying and breeding again!

Cheers

CobatRoll –

Thank you! Great picture of Chesty Puller by the way. Digging oneself out is certainly right. For men like us, the only thing they can do is dig themselves out because no one else is going to do it. And when you’re finally done the digging, you’re covered with so much mud that was slung at you that you swear to never be put in that situation again. Of course, I would like to be able to take another shot at fatherhood, but the cost/benefit analysis in this day and age just doesn’t make it worthwhile. Perhaps someday that will change when men get equal reproductive rights, but that won’t happen in my lifetime. Going monk is probably the safest way to go. Thank again!

[MooseParticipant 154]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Moose wrote:

……that’s Seaside Hts isn’t it?

I have family near Rutherford and I spent some summers in New Jersey.

The East Coast is a lot of fun. From time to time, I must go to the ocean and play in the water.

When I was in California, I stayed near Huntington Beach.

Moose wrote:

…..Filing court certifications with my complaints just to have a judge basically tell me to pound sand, and sticking through this garbage for ten years until I finally couldn’t take it anymore…ran out of gas……..

It is good that you are able to write about what happened to you while you were on the Plantation and also write about your life as a free men.

Here is a link to the story of Thomas Ball who you may relate to:

/forums/topic/thomas-ball-died-for-your-sins-too/

Manipulated Man –

I will check out Thomas Ball’s story momentarily…just wanted to respond real quick first. I have a heart for the coast as well! We have common ground in NJ and CA. I liked Huntington Beach…Orange County has a lot to offer. In CA, I lived in Marina which was on the Monterey Peninsula. But I frequently took “the one” (hwy 1) in either direction. I hung out at every hotspot I could catch between LA and San Francisco. Slo Town, Pismo, Santa Barbara, Big Sur, Yankee Point, Pebble Beach, Pacific Grove just to name a few. But my utopias were Santa Cruz and Capitola. When I first got out there, though, I lived in Salinas…ah, I can still hear the gunshots and sirens.

[MooseParticipant 154]

Manipulated Man –

I just read the article and final statement from Thomas Ball. I live in Northern NH, now, and I remember when this happened down south, but I didn’t know all the details. I’m pretty taken aback by this. Perhaps the reason I never got arrested for being $6,000 in arrears was that at least some of the bastards in the family court system learned a thing or two from this incident. Like the post said, “Thomas Ball died for your sins, too.” The story really puts a lump in my throat. I don’t agree entirely with the article when the author said that he was wrong for promoting violence against the system. At the risk of sounding bad, I honestly had violent feelings toward the family court system. Not a day went by that I didn’t think horrible thoughts of what I would actually do if given the opportunity to be alone with some of the people working in that system. Of course, I know violence is wrong, but it is 100% human to want it sometimes. And the thought of ending it all definitely went through my mind. The story leaves me taking a knee and bowing my head.

[HermitParticipant]

Hey Moose, welcome. Embrace the rocky start you’ve had here. As has been said, there have been infiltrators who come here to eventually cause trouble. My “entry” to this site went much smoother, but I didn’t lash back harshly when someone said something I didn’t care for. I know that being called out for something you may not be guilty of can p~~~ a guy off, but harsh responses and name calling from new members is usually a sign of a no good infiltrator. I chose to either ignore the poster, or calmly discuss the situation with them.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

MarketWatcher wrote:

El C~~~o Punto wrote:

MGTOW is a philosophy

No it is not. MGTOW is a discovery.

Ha…. Couldn’t resist.

It is something different to each.

What do you mean, it’s a “discovery”? MGTOW is not some bush of berries you happen upon while walking through the woods. Haha.

[DocParticipant]

Moose – welcome. But word of advice.
Being new on here what you don’t know is the extent to which members who post here know each other outside of here.

So – your op is ok but naturally raised a few questions. Nothing wrong with that but hostility ain’t gonna make you friends.

So take our hostility gently on the chin and earn our respect the way the rest of us had to.
Think of it like joining a biker club. Your gonna get tested out. If that is a problem for you maybe it’s you who needs to move along.

Just roll with our questions and keep it friendly even if we seem hostile. And you’ll be fine.

Tell me to f~~~ off and we will see what comes.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Remove me!Participant]

Doc wrote:

Moose – welcome. But word of advice.
Being new on here what you don’t know is the extent to which members who post here know each other outside of here.

So – your op is ok but naturally raised a few questions. Nothing wrong with that but hostility ain’t gonna make you friends.

So take our hostility gently on the chin and earn our respect the way the rest of us had to.
Think of it like joining a biker club. Your gonna get tested out. If that is a problem for you maybe it’s you who needs to move along.

Just roll with our questions and keep it friendly even if we seem hostile. And you’ll be fine.

Tell me to f~~~ off and we will see what comes.

Nice one, doc. Problem is when a guy on here post for the first time, and clearly makes excuses for not manning up, then calling himself a man and talking s~~~ to me is not gonna go over well. If he would stay on here a bit and read what some of us fathers have gone through in the family court systems, he would probably understand where I’m coming from. There are tons of guys on here, me included, that have been raped by the court systems. But we continue on.

When a “grown man” retorts to name calling and trying to act like an alpha male, it tells me he’s working with a teenager mentality. That’s why I’m not willing to continue fighting this guy. It’s like arguing with my ex pumpkin. She has her own truths, and it won’t get me anywhere except a headache.

That’s why I just dropped this last night. And I’m not willing to approach this again. I made my beliefs known. Anyone can be a father, it takes a man to be a daddy. That’s what I am despite the raping I got from my ex and the courts. There were times I had to UBER on the side just to make the child support payment. But I did it without complaining.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[MooseParticipant 154]

Remove me! wrote:

Doc wrote:

Moose – welcome. But word of advice.
Being new on here what you don’t know is the extent to which members who post here know each other outside of here.

So – your op is ok but naturally raised a few questions. Nothing wrong with that but hostility ain’t gonna make you friends.

So take our hostility gently on the chin and earn our respect the way the rest of us had to.
Think of it like joining a biker club. Your gonna get tested out. If that is a problem for you maybe it’s you who needs to move along.

Just roll with our questions and keep it friendly even if we seem hostile. And you’ll be fine.

Tell me to f~~~ off and we will see what comes.

Nice one, doc. Problem is when a guy on here post for the first time, and clearly makes excuses for not manning up, then calling himself a man and talking s~~~ to me is not gonna go over well. If he would stay on here a bit and read what some of us fathers have gone through in the family court systems, he would probably understand where I’m coming from. There are tons of guys on here, me included, that have been raped by the court systems. But we continue on.

When a “grown man” retorts to name calling and trying to act like an alpha male, it tells me he’s working with a teenager mentality. That’s why I’m not willing to continue fighting this guy. It’s like arguing with my ex pumpkin. She has her own truths, and it won’t get me anywhere except a headache.

That’s why I just dropped this last night. And I’m not willing to approach this again. I made my beliefs known. Anyone can be a father, it takes a man to be a daddy. That’s what I am despite the raping I got from my ex and the courts. There were times I had to UBER on the side just to make the child support payment. But I did it without complaining.

JD Anderson –

As Doc said, a lot of you guys know each other outside of this forum. If you knew me, knew the people who witnessed it happening to me, and further even saw the court documents that I have, you wouldn’t have attacked my manhood or the fact that I did my damndest to be a dad to my son. When courts and a woman do not allow you to be a dad, and there is no recourse, then you flat-out cannot be one. These aren’t excuses, they are facts. If you are still allowed to be a dad in some way, then perhaps you weren’t raped as bad as you think. Or maybe you were, but your raping was different from mine. You can’t measure everyone’s story to your own because each individual circumstance can probably be as slightly different as fingerprints…they look a lot alike, but there are different facets and crevices that simply make it not entirely the same. You made an awful and profoundly personal attack without the slightest idea of what kind of man I am, let alone even knowing me personally. Nevertheless, I do apologize for not handling it the right way. The right response simply would have been absolutely no response.

[MooseParticipant 154]

BoB wrote:

Moose, I’ll tell you this. Your kid will probably try to find you one day. One approach to prepare for this is to write him a letter TODAY, that you keep in your files. Hell, make it a book. Tell him now, while your emotions are still sharp, what happened from your perspective and what you felt you had to do about it. If he ever seeks you out, you take him to your safe, unlock it, and hand it to him. Tell him you’ve been waiting for the chance to share it. Of course, only do this if he has matured enough to understand it.

Set some money aside for him, that his bitch mother can’t spend, and give it to him later. If he isn’t a young man who has earned that support, you’ll still have the money to use for an emergency.

Just some ideas.

Bob,

I’m grateful for your input. I actually have a collection of letters, along with my parenting class certificate and court certifications that detail my side of the story and convey them to my son in a way that doesn’t make him hate his mother. I also have documentation signed by visiting nurses when I would come for visitation to learn how to use his medical equipment. I already knew how to use the equipment, but her argument in court was that I didn’t know, so he wouldn’t be able to visit with me. So, I spent a few years compiling those docs along with supporting letters from his doctors. But, everytime I got one of these doctor’s letters, she would go ahead and change doctors! Then, the letters I had were “irrelevant” because he was no longer under their care.

What is really funny (not haha funny) is that she locked me out right after he got a port installed on the surface of his stomach (called a mickey button). Before then, I was up throughout the night and racing home for short periods during work hours to put his feeding tube back in…I did this also because his mother simply didn’t like doing it (but who would?). I had to lube up this tube, hold his head down and run it all the way up his nose and down to his stomach, then use a cyringe to withdraw a small amount of stomach fluids into the tube to make sure it was indeed in his stomach. But all of this is a whole other facet to the story. Thanks again for your input, friend.

[Anonymous 14]

Hey Moose, delve into the massive amount of information here for you. There are so many stories of all sorts of variety. You will have a better feel for the site and decorum that takes place. It is very useful information.

That said, and as mentioned, we’ve had an influx of trolls, women posing as men, death threats, etc. We do have to be on guard here.

Welcome aboard and I do hope you enjoy your time here and find some useful information that will help you out in the now and the future.

[MooseParticipant 154]

Thank you, General Kenobi! I have been browsing the forums, reading posts and making responses here and there. The “c~~~s punted” counts on profiles is giving me an idea of how often this happens and I’m seeing quite a bit. It’s pretty diabolical because I know that I cannot stomach feminist speech of any kind for a minute, let alone try to sneak into a fem forum. For them to make intrusions is kind of scary because the ulterior motives must be NFG.

[DocParticipant]

Moose wrote:

Thank you, General Kenobi! I have been browsing the forums, reading posts and making responses here and there. The “c~~~s punted” counts on profiles is giving me an idea of how often this happens and I’m seeing quite a bit. It’s pretty diabolical because I know that I cannot stomach feminist speech of any kind for a minute, let alone try to sneak into a fem forum. For them to make intrusions is kind of scary because the ulterior motives must be NFG.

Good to see you are getting a handle on this place and us who frequent it.

As you point out and as JD also states – each man here suffers in his own way. Some more than others maybe but suffering is suffering. The details are always the important bit. They are what cause the suffering but they ain’t the suffering itself.

I said this in my first post to this thread that way to move forward here is get to know us gently. We can appear slightly hostile but that’s because of the recent spate of infiltration by the self-entitled and down right disgraceful.

If you encounter hostility meet it with friendliness. The hostile is either cautious or raw, or probably both.

Good luck.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[BoBParticipant 823]

“The knives of betrayal and drama cut deep and hurt… but they also trim away the nonsense and reveal your true friends.” – Steve Maraboli

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Welcome. Don’t slip back down the rabbit hole.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[AttonParticipant]

Get a second passport.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[MooseParticipant 154]

BoB wrote:

“The knives of betrayal and drama cut deep and hurt… but they also trim away the nonsense and reveal your true friends.” – Steve Maraboli

BoB –

Excellent observation! I started learning that at the time but was too blinded by what was going on to take full notice.

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