Military AT ALL legit for MGTOW?

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

I came across a quote in a file I keep where some MGTOW guy was talking about how the military was partly mgtow-ish in that you don’t get to do what you want always, but that it was masculine – exercise, guns, brotherhood etc.

How legit would it be? I wouldnt go in for ‘patriotism’ or anything mostly for travel, guns, helicopters. Yes I know the USA basicly serves the globalists, but for all intents most jobs backdoor support them anyway.

[Anonymous 16]

I dont think military is MGTOish or manly at all.
used to be maybe, but now those poor bastards go to die for nothing. they are just meat in the grinder, play toys for powerfull people that start wars for stupid reasons or economic reasons.
Think about it… during bush time USA and allies started a war it middle east “biological weapons” that didnt even existed. All to get OIL, a lot of people died… and still a lot of guys loss theyr jobs… and economy is f~~~ed up.

Now they have korea maniacs developing nuclear weapons… and they didnt lift a finger yet. (couse there is no OIL).

What you gonna figth for? bitches? a country who hates you couse you are male?
Forget about it… just go MGTOW and say F~~~ YOU to everything.
i have my own web page in my head. Notmyproblem.com
🙂

[Anonymous 7]

I used to want to join the military but there is nothing true to fight for. We shouldnt even be in this war to begin with.

[TuneoutParticipant]

It used to be but in the last 20 years we have seen

too much political correctness and ‘inclusiveness’

in the armed forces of the Nato Allies.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

The biggest scare in my life was when my brother joined the army and went to fight on foreign soil. I didn’t want to see him in a casket! Now that he’s out, my mind is at peace.

To this end I’ll quote Sun Tzu:

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
Sun Tzu

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

There’s always the reserves… it’s part time and some extra cash on the side. that’s what I did when I was younger and it motivated me to work out often and be more controlling of myself.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

I feel like many vets, who WERE military, become MGTOWish, due to having seen human nature, and that includes female nature (IE: Bitch f~~~s a hotel clerk while he’s in a warzone, and he finds out about it later.)

Most the active duty guys i know are still the “hold the door for the ladies” types of guys, who’s mangina fathers taught them that women are innocent, perfect little snowflakes, that he should protect with his life, and die for.

The conundrum here, is most their fathers (who were also in the military) Served in a time, when military wives weren’t meeting scum from facebook, and match.com and f~~~ing them like rabbits.

[AttonParticipant]

well, well well…how times have changed

No you just erode your freedom in the service of those who don’t deserve it.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

The military, like everything else, has become feminized. Maybe more political than feminized. They’re just like everything else, they have the government meddling in their affairs. They have quotas like everyone else, and they have to have so many get good grades and good marks and so on. IF THEY WANT IT. Men are the backbone, but if a woman wants to come in and play soldier, then she’s allowed to because vagina. I wouldn’t serve in today’s world. I mean, male disposability is what the military is about, and in a society that s~~~s on men and doesn’t even acknowledge their worth no way would I fight to protect something that won’t fight to protect me.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Very good question to ponder.
Luckily for me I read the question, and all the replies before I spewed a knee jerk response.

Depends on what branch, trade, and specialty. Even then you are a cog in the big machine, perhaps a very specialized cog, but a cog non the less.
Combat trades can teach you a huge amount of survival skills and technical knowledge, the only real drawback is the higher possibility of being killed, maimed, or mentally f~~~ed up, prior to you being discarded as no longer useful.
However IMHO and experience you are a drone that can operate in one of 3 function modes at any time as needed, drone, semi-autonomous drone, autonomous drone.
Regardless of what mode you have to operate in at any given time, you the individual soldier are 100% responsible for every action and negative outcome, but must “share” all positive rewards with others, even those who were never involved nor opened to any danger at any stage.
This PC environment has been weakening/paralyzing if not out right killing the militaries of the western world. At the end of my military career I found it extremely hard to stand in front facing a threat knowing the c~~~s (men/women/politicians) behind me had an 80-100% chance of betraying me for their own gain.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[RoyDalParticipant]

Highly structured.

Always, always doing what you are told.

Under the thumb of careerists who would prefer to sacrifice your life over being publicly embarrassed.

Low pay and general lack of amenities.

I’m going with not legit for MGTOW on this one.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ComputernerdParticipant 465]

Grumpy wrote:

This PC environment has been weakening/paralyzing if not out right killing the militaries of the western world.

At some point I wanted to go in the military, but I knew it just wasn’t for me. I can handle PC bulls~~~ in college, because you don’t have to do exactly what you’re told every time you’re told to do it.

The military on the other hand, you have to do exactly what you’re told. When they say jump, you say “HOW HIGH SIR!” That type of thing may have been great before the 2000s, but I just couldn’t handle that s~~~ in this new type of f~~~ed up military.

The military is going the same route as colleges are, the only difference being, you can get away with not doing everything you’re “told” to do in college. You can’t in the military, which is a big risk factor since SJWs are infiltrating the military as well.

RoyDal wrote:

Highly structured.

Always, always doing what you are told.

That’s the main reason I never joined the military. To me, MGTOW is about freedom to do what you want when you want to. You can’t have that type of mentality in the military.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Some absolutely great responses here. I’m retired from the US military, and I was in when all of the social experimentation happened. I joined as an idealistic blue pill “to serve”, by the end of my time it was for the lifetime paycheck. There’s a reason that I did just above the minimum time for a lifetime payday.

What does that give me, sovereignty and autonomy? I finished my commitment to them and theirs to me remains intact. I can draw my paycheck each month from a sailboat in the middle of the Pacific if that’s what I choose.

I don’t advocate military service to young people that I know anymore. It’s nowhere near what I chose to join with eyes wide open, what I didn’t realize was how it would morph during my time. It has become the plaything of the oligarchs, I’m just glad that I made all of my choices when I did. Starting over today I couldn’t stomach it, four and out to pay for school would be my max.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Having the government boss you around is the opposite of going your own way.

Furthermore, Western militaries are responsible for creating ISIS, training Osama Bin Laden, provoking 9/11, overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddegh, putting Augusto Pinochet into power, creating the refugee crisis and helping Israel slaughter Palestinian children. Perhaps the Western militaries were noble at some point in the past but there has been no nobility in Western militaries for at least a century.

“In modern war there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.”
– Ernest Hemingway

“Its is important, too, to realize that deadly violence among primitives is not even remotely comparable to modern warfare. When primitives fight, two little bands of men shoot arrows or swing war-clubs at one another because they want to fight; or because they are defending themselves, their families, or their territory. In the modern world soldiers fight because they have been brainwashed into believing in some kook ideology such as that of Nazism, socialism, or what American politicians choose to call “freedom”. In any case the modern soldier is merely a pawn, a dupe who dies not for his family or his tribe but for the politicians who exploit him. If he’s unlucky, maybe he does not die but comes home horribly crippled in a way that would never result from an arrow- or a spear-wound. Meanwhile, thousands of non-combatants are killed or mutilated. The environment is ravaged, not only in the war zone, but also back home, due to the accelerated consumption of natural resources needed to feed the war machine. In comparison, the violence of primitive man is relatively innocuous.”
– Unabomber

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

LightBringer wrote:

I came across a quote in a file I keep where some MGTOW guy was talking about how the military was partly mgtow-ish in that you don’t get to do what you want always, but that it was masculine – exercise, guns, brotherhood etc.

That is literally the opposite of MGTOW.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Go fight and mabe die ,.For what???

For money?

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[WarratahParticipant 895]

Once you’re out of basic training, for the majority of servicemen, it’s just a job.
Regular hours, wages and hassles from management. Seriously, unless you’re frontline infantry, it’s very similar to any other corporation.
And just like corporations, the lower you are in status, the more disposable you are too.
The military doesn’t force you to get married/have children/get divorced.
Just see it as another corporation – Kill Corp !

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

Good conversation going here, esp interesting to see ex vets in here. I would go in and be a helicopter pilot, that’s the only interest I have. I know in the army you can get guaranteed pilot chance and if you wash out its back to civ land.

Was a fire fighter for a long time, and I miss the adrenaline and brotherhood honestly, I know it might not be ‘logical’, but those are desires I have.

[Anonymous 11]

The way things are going Monty Python’s dancing military fairies skit will soon be considered prophetic.

My brother-in-law told me he would not join the US Navy if he were young today due to the SJW experiment platform it has become. The avionics skills he learned there proved quite valuable to him over his working career.

As for myself, I don’t kiss ass or take orders very well so the military was never an option for me.

[Anonymous 24]

This was one of the first topics I created after joining MGTOW.

MGTOW and Military service

I would argue one has more sovereignty in jail than in the military. In jail you are not forced to kill people without being allowed to use your own judgment.

Here is the about page of this site, nowhere does it say it only pertains to women-

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

sov·er·eign·ty

ˈsäv(ə)rən(t)ē/

Noun. Meaning: Supreme power or authority. Autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, self-determination, freedom. Self-governing.

I am not saying I do not admire men who are willing to fight for the right causes, I just see so few of late. When it comes to War, Mid East, Israel/Palestine conflict which is at the center of it, I see it all as one giant bulls~~~ machine of money making and power grabbing.

Substitute Brawndo for the Military Industrial Complex/War and water with peace and this is how I feel about the topic when talking with most people who care not to learn about what is at the heart of the problems in the Mid East. I won’t call specific people out on this, they know who they are.

And why won’t things change? Watch Idiocracy and see what happens to Brawndo once they start using water instead… The system collapses. The money men stop getting rich. So, MORE BRAWDO FOR THE PLANTS OR WE ALL LOSE OUR JOBS!!! Sadly, unlike the movie, more than plants die, in masses, based on lies, repeatedly. And you and I pay for it, forever. Does it do us any good? I guess if you are in the business of creating more terrorism, then yes, it does, and the system grows even more… Snowball effect, just as planned in my opinion. I am fine with the system collapsing if it means my tax dollars will not be spent on killing those who did me no harm, nor their neighbors harm as well. We have killed about 2 million since 2001…

U.S. Military is the healthiest business in the world. I think they are as big as the next 5 militaries combined or something…

Sorry if I went too far here, just had to unload all of this.

Joe

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