MGTOW and Military service

[Anonymous 24]

Not sure if anyone has gone over this before here, but here we go-

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

sov·er·eign·ty

ˈsäv(ə)rən(t)ē/
Noun. Meaning: Supreme power or authority. Autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, self-determination, freedom. Self-governing

One cannot be MGTOW and be in the military. Not sure how someone can argue against this statement, though I am curious to see if some will try…

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

No arguments here! I used to love my country desperately not anymore after what I have seen it become. I would discourage young men from joining the military as much as I discourage them from getting married. As for the war on terror…..let the women fight it.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[AttonParticipant]

I would have to agree with what you are saying their, personally I asked myself the same question about a year back. For one to be able to go their own way one must be free to actually go their own way.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I think we all define MGTOW for ourselves. Any job can involve what would seem like giving up a bit of “sovereignty”. If you want to volunteer to be in the army, go for it. Heck, you get to blow s~~~ up and earn cash for college. Conversely, if you don’t want to I don’t feel like you should out of some vague sense of duty. I don’t want anyone to tell me I’m not MGTOW enough to please them. What the f~~~ do I care?

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Anonymous 24]

Theronius wrote:

I think we all define MGTOW for ourselves. Any job can involve what would seem like giving up a bit of “sovereignty”. If you to want volunteer to be in the army, go for it.

The difference being that when giving up one’s sovereignty when you join the military, you give it up completely. The end result many times is killing people in their countries based on lies. In my opinion, this is the single least MGTOW way of life that one can live.

[BudtaoParticipant 293]

Yeah, little hard to go your own way when you volunteer to become a slave to the state.

Nirvanna is never having to worry about a woman ever again.

[RoyDalParticipant]

The military can be a career for someone who is psychologically equipped for its culture. I have met men who devoted their lives to it and do not regret it one bit.

Personally, I do not have the mindset that is compatible with having orders barked at me. I’m always the guy who asks, “what for?” Even in my blue pill days, I was what authority figures call “difficult.” (I ended up in the school principal’s office more than once.)

Both my parents were US Navy officers, so I’m simpatico. They discouraged me from enlisting — which would have paid for my college under the GI Bill and saved them a bundle — or joining as an officer after college. Any branch would have snapped me up because I graduated with a STEM degree, but mom and dad saw I was not a good personal fit. They wisely counseled me to pursue a civilian career.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Anonymous wrote:

The difference being that when giving up one’s sovereignty when you join the military, you give it up completely. The end result many times is killing people in their countries based on lies. In my opinion, this is the single least MGTOW way of life that one can live.

I agree about giving it up completely, and I could never be comfortable with that myself. I certainly won’t look down on someone else for doing it. It’s their life.
I don’t really understand how a way of life can be more or less MGTOW. Isn’t that like saying your lifestyle is more “having a sandwich” than the other guy’s, or is there a scale somewhere?
Bottom line, to me, is doing what you want. If you want to drive tanks, wrench on helicopters, kill people in far off lands, or just wear uniforms and take showers with other men, well… what better place than the military?

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Hmm. Lets think about this for a moment. “My” country wants me to give up my life and career to go off and die in some third world s~~~hole so “strong independent” women can stay home all warm and safe and comfortable and enjoy the freedom I buy with my health and life?

Seriously?

What’s in it for me?

There’s a reason why Putin and company are being so uppity lately: they know the U.S. is a paper tiger. They know the U.S. military has burnt out its manpower over the last decade and doesn’t have any real reserves to draw upon. They know that more than 80% of volunteer military applicants can’t make the cut, and more than a third of those who do fail out in basic. And they know the U.S. doesn’t dare try to make up the difference in a crisis with another draft because they know as soon as the U.S. tries conscription again it’s Game Over. They know men will simply refuse the call, and no amount of white feathering is going to change that this time.

[Anonymous 24]

Solid point Theronius. If one is a psychotic bloodthirsty maniac who likes to shower with men, the military is indeed a great place. It is still not going one’s own way though, you are pointed and directed at every step. This site is called Men go their own way, not Men go the way they are commanded to go.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Anonymous wrote:

One cannot be MGTOW and be in the military. Not sure how someone can argue against this statement, though I am curious to see if some will try…

To spend a life in public service is to spend a life in public service. It does not matter if you wear a uniform or not.

However, the fundamental difference between a between a park ranger and a service member is that the park ranger can quit anytime he wants to. Service members take an oath.

To support and defend the constitution of the United Sates against all enemies foreign and domestic, and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, and that I will obey the orders of the officers appointed over me and the president of the united states.

I hate war and everything that goes with it but somebody has to do it. Speaking as a veteran, I would rather have a MGHOW watching my six than anyone else.

Can you be a MGHOW and serve in the Armed Forces? For that matter can you be a MGHOW and work corporate, government, pay taxes, be a father, or belong to a church?

I’m not trying to sound rhetorical, but a man going his own way is just exactly that. The military made me the man that I am today, and taught me the integrity and gave me the courage to stand up for myself and others.

It’s just that getting injured or dying part that really sucks.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I personally think that is some guy decides to ditch the marriage paradigm and escape the plantation, whatever he does after that he is a MGHOW. He took the red pill. If he then decides to devote his life to doing something I would consider a waste of time, or that involves a loss of freedom, he still went his own way. A man who goes into politics, the priesthood, the military, even professional sports will give up at least a small degree of freedom for his goals. Would NOT doing what you really want in an effort to be more MGTOW make you more free?

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Anonymous 24]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

However, the fundamental difference between a between a park ranger and a service member is that the park ranger can quit anytime he wants to. Service members take an oath.

It’s just that getting injured or dying part that really sucks.

When taking that oath, one gives up his/her sovereignty, hence he is no longer MGTOW. He is now a disposable asset who is obligated to do as commanded under threat of punishment and or imprisonment. He gives up his sovereignty more so than any other profession.

Also, I noticed how you did not mention that it is the killing part that really sucks, especially when the reasons for the killings are realized to be based on lies and or the killing of innocents/non combatants/women/children is involved. Many men who come back from war who have killed against their best judgement, and did so because they gave up their personal sovereignty, come back with much regret for what they have done. Once again, this paradigm is the least MGTOW of all possible things a man can do in life in my opinion.

I am not sure what more I have to add to this conversation until something new comes up.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I cannot disagree JoeBauers. I am of the same mindset, and this absolutely disqualifies me from military service.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[VenomParticipant 310]

Military life isn’t compatible with me. I tried going in and decided not to because I was under so much stress just to pass the ASVAB for officers. Not to mention most of the other officers and those with higher rankings are complete douchebags.

I’ll be damned if I let a woman other my mom yell and scream at me like I’m garbage. I get why the officers do it to cadets while they’re training but, women officers actually MEAN what they say if they yell at male cadets while training. I’m not going to give them the satisfaction of doing that to me.

Men who are in the military are also more likely to be charged with false rape accusations. The military lifestyle is being infested with SJWs and mass fake rape hysteria. They also make the men do more of the s~~~ jobs.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I dont like the military either but I can’t agree with this. The only thing we mgtow share is the rejection of the traditional way. Once a man is deviating from the path society tells him to go, he is going his way because he has rejected the way that was given to him. If we start making claims like this, we are just driving men away from pursuing the truth.

Another thing. If we really want to be picky, none of us are truly sovereign. We all are controlled by a government to some extent, so the same argument used against military mgtow could just as well be extended to include us. That wah only a mountain man could be going his own way. We are relatively free compared to our blue pill peers.

Thanks for the thoughtful post. The better we understand what really brings us together, the better other men can be reached. Lots of men like to shy away from defining mgtow in any way, but it certainly must be definable in at least some kind of way. Obviously a feminist man isn’t a mgtow and neither is the blue pill guys we all know. When does a man call himself a mgtow instead of a pua or vice versa? What do we share in common with other mgtow that we don’t share with MRA or whoever? Im not foolish enough to think we will ever all agree, but it would be good for us to consider these things and try and at least have a better answer than “How dare you try to tell a mgtow what he is you dirty mangina! You are not a mghow!”

[Duke of MangafParticipant 69]

Just from your snarky replies I can tell you never served, are probably under 30 and have never left the country (the Caribbean doesn’t count) or possibly even your home town. Explaining anything about it is probably pointless, as you have no real reference point other than the news and Hollywood.

You say ‘killing people in their countries based on lies’ like it some revelation to anyone. The rich have been f~~~ing over the poor and convincing or forcing them to serve since the invention of money. Those high ideals about freedom and protecting Democracy blah blah blah, burn off about 3 months after bootcamp. Everyone, with the exception of that one guy stealing food and clothes from cabins and living rough for 30 years, serves someone else’s interest in order to live and eat, at least in some capacity. Its life in a market economy society. Not that I do not laud every attempt to break away from all if it, its a commendable and worthwhile endeavor, but I dont equate that strictly to MGTOW. One must learn to obey before he commands.

I both served in the military and spent 7 years in corporate America, and I will tell you first hand that out of the two, I would hang myself dead in a heartbeat before going back to corporate. Giving the illusion of freedom and choice is far far worse than swearing an oath to serve and be part of something bigger and stronger than yourself. You take those things that you’ve learned, finish the time that you swore an oath as a man to do, and you get out. Along the way, you make brothers for life, see things nobody in your podunk town could even imagine and learn what you are made of. You might not figure out what you want to do in life, but you will sure as hell learn what you DON”T want to do.

In the quickly deteriorating culture and society we now live in, there is absolutely no place better to learn what it really takes to make it on your own in the world than the military. Weve got two full generations of men raised by women. The majority of those men would be s~~~ out of luck and behaving like their mommys 72 hours after the electricity went out for good.

My good for nothing blue pill brother and his overweight opinionated troll of a wife say a lot of the same things you are saying in this post to me on a regular basis. You best believe that the minute s~~~ gets desperate, they’ll be on my porch looking for help.

[RhettParticipant 637]

Truth!

Single guys come home, look at what’s in the fridge, and go to bed. Married guys come home, look at what’s in bed, and go to the fridge.......But the best representative of MGTOW is…………… an empty chair,.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Military is White Knighting on steroids…. just my opinion.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

I’m in agreement too.

I’m Buddhist, and one of the fundamental precepts is “question everything”. This goes even for sacred teachings – discuss them, debate them, don’t accept them as true just because someone high up (even Buddha) said so, only accept them once you have found them to be valid from your own reasoning.

I can imagine how I’d fare if I joined the military:

“RIGHT LADIES LINE UP!!!”
[me]: Why?
“I SAID LIIIIINNNNEE UUUPPPPP!!!”
[me}: No seriously, why? I’m not going to be able to hear you any better, nor see you any better, what’s the purpose of lining up?
[Instructor’s head explodes with rage]
[me] Geez, he’s got anger management issues. Anyone for coffee?

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