MGTOW vs MRA

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

“Mens Rights Activitsts”

The bolded is the operative word in the equation, and therein lies the distinction.

Just as one can’t get blood from a turnip, one can’t negotiate with terrorists.

Mens Rights Activists want to exhaust their own resources in an attempt to inverse that which has already been inverted, namely:

societal perceptions, the legal system, and monetary distributions as a consequence of the former.

The juice isn’t worth the squeeze, and MGTOW individuals recognize this.

It’s always the “activists” who disrupt what occurs naturally, and interfere with the state of homeostasis, only to make situations worse.

I can only speak for myself, but my notion of MGTOW is –

‘You fu$ked up the definitions, changed the rules of the game, and continually move the goal post.

YOU can live with the consequences; I’m not going to dance and juggle to the very music you wrote to make us both miserable.’

Resident cynic.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

MRA, to me, has become about trying to “save” traditional marriage.

That seems as futile to me as saving The Empire of Austria-Hungary.

MGTOW is accepting the facts, acting accordingly and moving on.

Frank V.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

MRA has faulty foundations. It is based on the notion that men have basic humanity and have power in the political world based on maleness.

The reality is that men do not have basic humanity; they are disposable and their worth is based on their utility.

In a male dominated society, men must earn their keep while women are granted royal status (a leisure class that does not play by the same rules as men). In a female dominated society the exact same thing happens, except there is a greater disparity between women and men.

The only way to achieve MRA goals is for women to lose their humanity, through commodification of their reproductive power. At that point, women will become disposable just like men.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

The problem with this analysis, as well as the MRAs in general, is that they believe women can be their equal partners. But they are chasing a pipe dream. Forget all the gynocentric laws: women are simply not physically, emotionally, and mentally capable of doing what men can do. Egalitarianism will always fail because it flies in the face of human nature.

Stumpy Trumpy is spot on with this.

Equalitarianism is complete bulls~~~. It isn’t even observable in reality. The sad thing is, I once believed this drivel. However, time and time again, I find women to be subpar in every aspect except for traits that are centered around childbirth. (Better heart health, more flexible, etc.)

If women are truly equal, then why have a separate set of standards for them?

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

How many activists does it take to change a lightbulb? None, because activists today don’t change anything.

So, Paul Elam is still trying to recruit for AVFM and his world? Without having a crusade, he wouldn’t have anything to give his life meaning.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IceklimberParticipant 1]

After passively cheering for MRAs during the past years without expecting any accomplishments, I journeyed to their subreddit to get up-to-date in terms of recent developments. Received one reply which shamed me for being the problem and also noted:

> The NCFM has had a lot of success.

The frontpage of *National Coalition For Men* website has a link their “successes” indeed. Here are the top three:

> Made a conference 36 years ago, four years after the foundation.

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> Got diaper changing stations in Airport male restrooms 32 years ago.

Not bad although we are also not running out of stationless male restrooms anytime soon

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> Passed paternity fraud legislation in California.

You did it reddit. You activated a right for men!

Californian man is allowed to stop paying child support if he

\#1 proves he is not the father.

and

\#2 Discovers this **within two years** and resigns declaration of paternity.

and

\#3 Court does not deny the paternity resignation. For the denial, court may choose between a) b) c) d) e) f) g) or h). Among them retarded options à la *’Man and not_his_child lived in the same household’*.

In the same paragraph, the *National Coalition For Men* boasts how…

> …We represented several paternity fraud victims including high-profile ones like in County of Los Angeles v. Taron James

Taron James was provably not the father of a kid. He had the audacity to ask for his child support money back. He lost

They actually pinned this defeat in their top three *’success’* stories.

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Gentlemen, thank you for reading.

[AFTParticipant 2724]

I agree that fighting for more comfortable chains is an improvement to blue pill plantation slaves, but nothing beats the freedom of walking away and refusing to play the game.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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