MGTOW vs MRA

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

MGTOW faces the exact same problems the libertarian movement faces.

MGTOW continues to claim it’s not a movement. Well, if it doesn’t move, don’t expect it to go anywhere. End of that story.

Second, the libertarians have always given away their laize-faire economic models for free, in hope to convince others. While financial advisors convince people to place their entire life savings in a casino that is sure to fail (the stock market), and people do it, because they have to pay for it, so their perceive value, even that it’s all a gigantic house of cards that will rob them of their soul.

When you give something away, there is no perceived value.

If you want to spread MGTOW, make is a movement, charge a fee, and sell it. Then you’ll see it take flight. Make a business out of it. Give lectures and talks, and charge ticket prices for the lectures while on the circuit.

If you give it away for free, expect people to hate you.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Sandals wrote:

If you want to spread MGTOW, make is a movement, charge a fee, and sell it.

I didn’t spend a cent on MGTOW, but I swallowed it like ice cream. The truth sells itself. You don’t need to put a price tag on it.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[KaidoParticipant 2395]

You know that saying “I’m not saying let’s go kill all the stupid people….I’m just saying let’s remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.” MGTOW is a freedom. While we are enjoying it, feminism and society will kill itself. Problem solved.

What people call "love" is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle. Rise above. Focus on science.

[UntamedParticipant]

Sandals wrote:

MGTOW continues to claim it’s not a movement. Well, if it doesn’t move, don’t expect it to go anywhere. End of that story.

No need to go anywhere to be C~~~-Free and not participate. mgtow.com has grown to almost 30000 by NOT going anywhere. MGTOW is about the individual, not the collective.
A movement is formed specifically to demand certain things from the powers that be, we don’t demand anything, we don’t want anything, we’ve left, we’re gone, leaving an empty chair as an argument.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 12]

The MRM, as a social movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement) aims to achieve something, it is structured and has a set of Goals across ma group.
MGTOW, aim to achieve individual liberty, has an individual set of goals valid for an individual.

MRM bands together to stem the Tide. Prominent figures arise and gain voice. They engage the public to promote change.
MGTOW disband and walk off their potential engagements, not caring about the Tide. There is no leader, and MGTOW do not communicate with women beyond the imaginary middle finger. Mgtow let the world evolve as it m,ust, seeking to achieve a good life with the tools at their disposal.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

What MRA do

[CoolbreezeParticipant 442]

I actively wonder how the system would be affected ’cause lets face it- society at large is counting on the herd mentality and zombifying all future generations through subsequent attacks on education, continuous war and conflict, unpopular political agenda/lobbyists and so on.

If it was about what’s good for humanity I’d be MRA all day. I guess im too jaded and preoccupied saving myself?

[Anonymous 1]

MRA really started to come out of the Divorce Court. I think the MRA has been very positive and I am all for it.

However, it doesn’t really pertain to some of us MGTOW. I have never been married or divorced or ever really in a long term relations~~~. I am not interested in women and never really was. Just going my own way quietly contemplating and studying Science and Mathematics.

MRA will not affect me personally, but I think it will really help some Men, who are going through Divorce Court. I hope Paul Elam continues to get his word out.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

When you get down to the core of mgtow, you come face to face with biological determinism. I watched the Stardusk Compilation over and over until I understood this. Here are helpful videos of what mgtow is in my view. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6LSuPWDeAAXb_mT1t0zBMOsyAw0a8YRI

Essential Barbarossa MGTOW content

MGTOW know that we are not going to be able to re-write female nature. We bred the intelligence out of them. Their hypergamy and other undesirable characteristics were evolved. Its done.

MRA’s do not think along these lines because it is antithetical to their religious ideals. They don’t believe in Determinism. They don’t believe in evolution. They don’t want to understand biology and what women are, at the genetic level. Instead, they want to maintain the religious view of how women and men should get on together.

They think women can be salvaged. They think culture and law can be salvaged.

MRA traditional conservatives are a lot like peeing in the wind.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

The truth sells itself.

If this were true, our world would look vastly different. Most people would rather pay top dollar for a lie than hear the truth for free.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

In reality, most people have no idea what is actually true. The single greatest reason history repeats itself is nobody knows what was suppose to be learned because everybody is deluded.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

MGTOW will never be a movement. Why will I go shouting in the streets demanding stuff when I can just have a nice day fishing peacefully?

MGTOW is an individualistic path. It is a journey of growth and personal happiness. I am responsible for my own life, I will not dictate how my brother lives his life. I can be an example to my brothers if I want others to go MGTOW but I will not impose my will on anyone else…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

I don’t care much about labels, I care more on what works and what don’t.

I behave mostly like MGTOW and when the occasional opportunity presents itself I behave like MRA pointing divorce men to the manosphere.

I think the problem with so called “MRA” is they cannot see what they do does not work most of the time. It is not very cost effective. Where going MGTOW always make men better in a short time, improving their wallet, emotion, time, life.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[nagolbudSpectator 674]

Most MRA support womens rights. I think most MGTOW understand giving women the right to vote was the beginning of the end. All waves of feminism are cancer to any society. Emotional children voting? What a mess. The first thing they do is give themselves the ability to kill their own child. Feminism is all cancer and any man that supports any of that s~~~ is shooting himself in the foot. MRA are retarded cucks playing a feminist violin.

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[nagolbudSpectator 674]

MRA are asking for their b~~~~ back. MGTOW took them back.

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[narwhalParticipant]

I’m not much of a fan of activism (whether called MRA or not) in general for a couple different reasons. First, it’s tools are generally emotion over logic. It’s about claiming that something isn’t fair. It’s asking you to make a sacrifice for their cause. It’s saying that we have to change people on an emotional level. And emotions change with the wind. It gets people interested for a day or two till something more fun comes along to be emotional about. I don’t think you can change the mess that was caused by irrational emotions by more emotional means.

Second, I think activism is prone to compromise. It’s accepting half of what should be in order to get half of what you want….only to lose it again when the wind shifts or women figure out how to circumvent it. You’re negotiating with someone who can’t be trusted in good faith. And that’s particularly odd when you wouldn’t make the same deal with someone who actually could be trusted.

But I think thee is still room for men in between full MGTOW and MRA. There are the men that will never what relate with women no matter how the laws change. They are done, absolutely walked away. Then I think there are men that have a list of conditions where they would consider relating to women again. That’s not to say they would go back to the plantation, just that they are willing to play if the rules are actually fair.

The reality is, it will never be fair again, not in my lifetime. What would need to happen are never brought up as actual solutions to problems, despite the mountains of evidence. Not remotely close. So the man who says ‘never again’ and ‘under these conditions’ really aren’t that different…except that the man looking for conditions is more likely to fall back and compromise.

Ok. Then do it.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

MRA’s are like slaves trying to negotiate for better conditions.

MGTOW makes more sense, since it is just walking away from the plantation entirely.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[IntellectualSaviorParticipant 1238]

I’d like to share my stand on this issue. I believe MGTOW is far more greater than MRA but on the other hand MRA can be useful if it targets men and men only! But they should only feed redpill and no other bulls~~~.

As men we don’t go around crying, we don’t go around wanting s~~~ like those feminists do, if we want something we either make it happen or leave it the f~~~ off. And going your own way makes more difference than trying to reason with women and men at the same time.

“ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.”

When I have a pen in my hands, it's lethal.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

NerdTunneler wrote:

MGTOW will never be a movement. Why will I go shouting in the streets demanding stuff when I can just have a nice day fishing peacefully?

I think we may be working from two different definitions of “a movement”. A movement is something that moves. If men are getting on here, and supporting each other the way we do, and helping brothers out with divorce advice, etc…, and we are spreading the gospell, that is a movement, to me at least.

The underground railroad was a movement, but it was underground. When every race except the white race secretly promotes it’s own members and denies whites promotion or hiring based on their race, and it’s a big open secret except to the self-hating white folks, that’s a movement, even though the white folks don’t see it. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening, though.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

While I respect the MRA and wish them the best of luck, it doesn’t matter. The White Knights and the Femnazis will fight tooth and nail to preserve laws that give women preferential treatment over men. One has only to examine attempts at Alimony reform in Florida. Which in spite of decades of men agitating for reform and pointing out the gross injustice done to men by the family courts…it got no where until a very tiny minority of women who had married men who were paying alimony to their ex wives started to complain when the Ex wives had their Alimony bumped up because of the raise in household income of the divorced and then remarried man. So these new wives started to pay part of their paycheck to their husband’s Ex…and suddenly Alimony Reform started to get a little traction in Florida.

But women who depend on Alimony fought tooth and nail to preserve it, and White Knight Politicians bent over backwards to accommodate these women who were pretending to be defenseless and unemployable “victims”. And Alimony Reform kept getting sunk in Florida.

That is just an example of how bad things are…and the lengths that women and white knight politicians will go to preserve the Status Quo.

So the ONLY REAL Resistance that has any chance at all is obviously MGTOW. No marriage, no cohabitation means no Alimony, no loss of half of everything. Throw in a Vasectomy or just go Monk and you immunize yourself against Child Support.

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