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Vajra Varaha 1 year, 5 months ago.
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Well I have learned something today GOAT, thanks. I had not heard of your faith before.
It may take a bit of getting my head around but is an atheistic luciferan basically someone who is an atheist but is not keen on the goodey two shoes rules that many Christian influenced atheists still adhere to -like the lie of equality or the lie of social progress- and finds the “throw the rule book out of the window and love yourself” of Satanism more attractive?
https://www.luciferianapotheca.com/pages/luciferianism-an-introduction
Read it.
Money is God.
Some people say “man’s rules are good and rational”…. Then you take a look how California is going, is OK to contaminate someone with HIV, but straws are illegal…
Damn. You had to mention straws. Plastic straws, I assume. Consider me triggered…
I think it was straws that killed off the polar bears – right?
Consider me triggered…
What does Trigger have to do with this ???
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
You’re not even a good troll.
You asked for it and here it comes.Oh, here we have a delusional theist. Did you communicate with your imaginary friend today?
I did indeed. And it looks like they all showed up. The “T” must stand for t~~~.
Peace is > piece.
I would say that there is really no difference between a MGTOW who associates with God, God’s ideology, Lucifer or Lucifer’s ideology or any other belief under the sun. MGTOW as a definition has nothing to do with religious association and it would probably serve us best to keep it that way. I would go as far as including political affiliations in that group as well but that’s a whole new debate.
Everyone follows their own code and that does not prevent them from fully existing as a MGTOW.
Let’s end this topic, because I see how sensitive people get when confronted about their faith.
Like I said. You asked for it.
Peace is > piece.
Some people say “man’s rules are good and rational”…. Then you take a look how California is going, is OK to contaminate someone with HIV, but straws are illegal…
Damn. You had to mention straws. Plastic straws, I assume. Consider me triggered…
I think it was straws that killed off the polar bears – right?
Exactly those straws !! Is funny how c~~~s that drop cellphone batteries at rivers and oceans at least twice a year have such concern about the environment ! If you consider that most food comes in plastic packages, most things you buy come in plastic packages, etc… Plastic straws won’t make a single difference. IMHO this is just political bulls~~~, the last thing those people care is about the environment.
Remember the “so, give me 10 reasons you need an assault rifle !”, now it is “so, give me 10 reasons you need a straw !”
Here is how you trigger a leftard with only one image !!
Let’s end this topic, because I see how sensitive people get when confronted about their faith.
Like I said. You asked for it.
Keep on being delusional. Keep on believing in fairytales.
This is the age of science, not fairies.
Money is God.
This is the age of science, not fairies.
God and science are not mutually exclusive, you made a false argument.
I have a God who lives in my heart with Jesus.
I interpret freedom of religion as the freedom
to choose the heavenly spirit that will do the
lords work for me personally.
I choose the spirit of my earthly father who was
A real living man not something imaginary.
His name is Winston McKinney and his spirit
guides the actions of my flesh.
So you are correct that I cannot be
considered a man going his own way.Having this exclusively private and
personal belief the closest I could get
would be letting him speak to you through me.
He then becomes a living man who is not controlled
by any higher authority..My father in heaven is a man who could direct my flesh
to go any way he pleases..He has living flesh that I give him to use
He has a living spirit in my heart. (have you evidence otherwise?)
I gave him back his personal identity documents and he
has used them to go work. (can a dead man work?) He must be aliveHis truck is in his name and belongs to someone
who could only be alive in heaven. (out of the jurisdiction of earthly authorities)His spirit is hosted in my heart
with Jesus unless you have evidence otherwise.I could ask in jesus name that he guide my words and he could speak
to you, but I have found that, non believers not only do not believe
that a god exist, but seldom if ever believe in someone else’s right to have a God also. So what good would it do for God to speak to someone who does not believe
in him?I respect your rights to have your own beliefs and only ask the sames respect in return.
My Father was the most honest trustworthy man I ever knew and his spirit
is the logical choice to be my God.Have you evidence that these points are not true?
1.He did create me. that makes it self evident that he is my creator.
2.He did die in 1999. Makes it self evident that he could only be alive in his own
very small kingdom of heaven on earth. Only three residence living here.1.The Father
2.Me the slave to his spiritual guidance and his first born and only begotten son.
3.The holy spirit of the worlds best known spiritual host Jesus.For the protection of my right to believe this governments are created
and derive their “just” authority from the consent of the governed.Because I am just a slave and have no authority then government agents
can obtain no authority from me.If you were a judge and it is clear you are judgmental. (or maybe just mental)
I would first challenge your jurisdiction over my flesh (something you did not create) Then say a small prayer in jesus name that my chosen God guide my words.Then in his spirit (personal identity) proceed to chalenge your jurisdictional authority over the flesh I obviously created and could only be in WINSTON MCKINNEY’S very small kingdom of heaven on earth.
OH yes and give you opportunity to provide evidence
that my fathers spirit is not alive and well hosted in my heart by the holy spirit of Jesus..Have you any evidence otherwise?
My God is a living man who died back in 1999
He has no authority over any other person on earth but me.
His signature is the highest authoritative power over my flesh.
its authority is above all earthly authority.
I claim his kingdom as my political refuge from hostile
forces both foreign and domestic and both earthly and spiritual.
He can defend his kingdom on equal footing with anyone on earth.He is from here but no longer of here. I am his exclusive slave and no one elses
for he is a jealous god and forbids me from contracting with authority above him.You are correct I cannot be considered a man going his own way, but My father is
The most free man on earth and owns flesh that has no other earthly contracts attached to it.He is the ultimate “MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY”
I love and respect you, but cannot resist letting my god himself
address you personally in all caps.I pray in Jesus name that my father in heaven Winston McKinney
will guide my typing fingers now:I AM THE HEAVENLY SPIRIT OF THE MAN WHO CREATED THIS FLESH AND I HAVE
SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OVER IT BECAUSE I CREATED IT.I ALSO ENDOWED HIM WITH HIS RIGHT TO BELIEVE I AM STILL ALIVE
AND IT WILL STAND AS HIS TRUTH SELF EVIDENT..HAVE YOU ANY EVIDENCE OTHERWISE?
NO COURT IN AMERICA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY IS READY FOR A
POOR MAN IN THE SPIRIT OF HIS HEAVENLY FATHER.MY SON HAS NOTHING MORE THEY CAN TAKE BUT HIS FLESH.
SOMEONE MUST CLAIM AUTHORITY OVER IT WHO BETTER TO DEFEND
CREATOR GIVEN RIGHTS THAN A MANS CREATOR HIMSELF?MY SON MARRIED HIS TRUTH SELF EVIDENT.
MY SON HAS GIVEN THE MOST PRECIOUS GIFT BACK TO THE ONE WHO GAVE IT TO HIM.
LIFE ITSELF IS THAT MOST PRECIOUS GIFT AND MY SON HARPOMASON HAS HUMBLED HIS GOD TO TEARS FOR WITH GREAT KNOWLEDGE COMES GREAT SORROW..
PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY SON’S FAITH (AS IF YOU COULD) HA! ha!
YOU WOULD BE TAKING THE LAST THING HE HAS ON THIS EARTH AND YOU CANNOT TAKE THE HIGH ROAD DOING IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH EARTHLY AUTHORITY YOU HAVE..
YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IN ME BUT I AM ONE MAN’S ONE TRUE LIVING GOD.
WHO WAS DEAD BUT IS NOW ALIVE THANKS TO MY SON GIVING ME HIS FUTURE
TIME OF LIFE..
I CAN GUIDE THIS FLESH TO GO MY OWN WAY USING THE HIGHEST AUTHORATIVE SIGNATURE KNOWN TO MANKIND, THE NAME OF HIS SELF EVIDENT AND HEAVENLY CREATOR…HARPOMASON IS MY SLAVE AND BELONGS TO NO ONE ELSE.
HIS AND MY BELIEFS IN JESUS HAS SET HIS FATHER FREE.
FREE FROM DEATH ITSELF..CAN A DEAD MAN TYPE A REPLY?
THE SPIRIT OF WINSTON MCKINNEY LIVES ON!
HAVE YOU EVIDENCE OTHERWISE?
MY SON IS SMARTER THAN I WAS IN MY OWN FLESH, BUT HE COULD NEVER OUT-THINK ME
NO ONE CAN OUT-THINK GOD!Love and respect to all without prejudice
from all three the: Father, son and the Holy spirit.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Keep on being delusional. Keep on believing in fairytales.
This is the age of science, not fairies.
Lol. Another rookie mistake.
Well then, if you’re so insightful show me once where I said that I DO believe in god and DONT believe in science.Peace is > piece.
X11, is that you?
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Thank you GOAT. I have had a look. I think I understand a little more now.
This quote from the site caught my eye. “Luciferianism is rooted in numerous magickal traditions which express some specific aspect of the Adversary.”
I am always a little cautious of anything that sets out to be anti other things as a part of its main ideology. Its a bit like feeling the need to spell magic with a K because that is not how it is spelt by most people. Just because you are adversarial to dogma does not necessarily define what you are yourself and for you to have anything to knock down another man must have built it first.
Why do you need to define yourself spiritually by saying what you are not or that you are against the other lot?
Does one have to be anti the other lot to be pro ruling yourself as the highest authority in your personal spiritual journey?
This is not to knock your faith, I just want to test you to see what you are about and understand more. I do not care for knocking any man’s faith unless he comes in a bit too arrogant with all the answers (which means he considers that everyone else must be wrong about something that is only at most a matter of belief).
That site you gave me the link to does seem a bit too cheap to be genuine in a lot of its “occult” products/ spell ingredients /ritual tools. The T shirts and mugs were priced about right.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Thank you GOAT. I have had a look. I think I understand a little more now.
This quote from the site caught my eye. “Luciferianism is rooted in numerous magickal traditions which express some specific aspect of the Adversary.”
I am always a little cautious of anything that sets out to be anti other things as a part of its main ideology. Its a bit like feeling the need to spell magic with a K because that is not how it is spelt by most people. Just because you are adversarial to dogma does not necessarily define what you are yourself and for you to have anything to knock down another man must have built it first.
Why do you need to define yourself spiritually by saying what you are not or that you are against the other lot?
Does one have to be anti the other lot to be pro ruling yourself as the highest authority in your personal spiritual journey?
This is not to knock your faith, I just want to test you to see what you are about and understand more. I do not care for knocking any man’s faith unless he comes in a bit too arrogant with all the answers (which means he considers that everyone else must be wrong about something that is only at most a matter of belief).
That site you gave me the link to does seem a bit too cheap to be genuine in a lot of its “occult” products/ spell ingredients /ritual tools. The T shirts and mugs were priced about right.
There’s many books that goes deeper into the luciferian doctrine. I don’t use that site, but that page covers the main principal of the luciferian doctrine.
The k was added by the occultist, aleister Crowley. There’s different types of magic.
I’m not against anyone. I’m against doctrines that are dangerous to society.
People have killed millions, upon millions in the name of “God”, then shifts their atrocities towards “Satan”. Beheading, bombing, and all type of evil, was done in the name of religion, thus, God.
Let’s take a look at the Bible.
God flooded the earth, killing millions upon millions of innocent men, women, childrens, animal, and infants.
God wiped out a whole city because they were homosexuals. Lot was considered “holy”, yet got drunk, and got f~~~ed by his two daughters. God killed his wife because she looked back…
God killed every first born in Egypt, because pharaoh didn’t want to free his people, yet, he’s the one who heartened Pharaoh’s heart.
God killed 80,000 soldiers, because David sinned, yet David lived, but others lost their life.
God sent two she-bears to devour, and eat a couple of kids, because they ridiculed a prophet.
My favorite verse:
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/pg24saul-140405134716-phpapp02/95/24-saul-31-638.jpg?cb=1397945738
But, God is “love”.
Money is God.
This is the age of spiritual truth!
human beings are birthed and have only human rights.
Men are created not birthed.
until they evolve and accept the truth they will remain single
spirited ignorant beings with only the right to be ruled over by
a government instituted among “MEN”Is evolution science? yes
then accept the truth and become a multi spirited man
who have inalienable rights given by their creator.stealing a man’s rights cannot be done.
can you separate the spirit of a father
from the heart of his son?non believers shoot themselves in the foot legally
leaving themselves subservient to earthly rule..The Bible is a governing document once you understand it.
It can place government officers in the servant position.
it becomes my constitution once I seek his kingdom. (challenge jurisdiction)
I can put myself in my fathers kingdom of heaven on earth
and claim political refugee status as a foreign ambassador of truth.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
I never understood how can one be a MGTOW, yet worship God.
What’s the point? Isn’t that the opposite of one going his own way?
I can see why you ask this, but it’s very easy to break down & understand.
MGTOW is a lifestyle choice entirely grounded in reality.
Religion is a belief system.“god” can mean something different for everyone. For example, I went to Sunday school & church every weekend until I was about 18 and stopped going because I thought it was all bogus. I agree with George Carlin on religion 100%.
Then about 25 years later, I realized I don’t HAVE to be religious to see God at all.
To me, “God” is natural law. “The way things ought to be”.
A salmon swimming upstream. A dog protecting a child. etc.A natural sense of right and wrong – if you will.
Animals are born with this too.I also wonderer how god and MGTOW can co-exist. But a man can “believe” in God, Santa, or the Easter bunny if it brings him some comfort. It’s very personal and close to the heart. MGTOW is common sense for men. A tangible lifestyle choice. It’s just not the same thing at all.
Put another way….
MGTOW doesn’t care if you don’t “believe” in it. The church sure does. And if you don’t embrace it, you’re going to burn in hell for all eternity. They push the same scare tactics like people who push marriage. “If you don’t marry me you’re going to die alone!!!”
MGTOW already knows everybody dies alone. Even if you do marry, it’s a FACT that wives outlive their husbands by an average of 8 years. So it’s actually more likely that SHE will “die alone”. Ironic when you think about it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Yeah I do understand where you are coming from GOAT when you talk of “God’s” cruelties to man. I think it comes back to my point that “God” -Yaweh has become the creator “god of love” to his followers but actually he was a lot more of a traditional sort of god in the old testament. There he was the god of the Jews. They were good to him and he destroyed their enemies and gave the Israelites their women, their animals and their land. There is a real disconnect between that Yaweh, husband of Ashera and rival of Baal who was a jealous god and the omnipotent, omniscient, beneficient creator of the earth who will unmake it and make it again for everyone to live in peace in heaven one day.
To be honest, personally I like the Old testament god a lot better. He knows what he likes, he is not all things to all people and he is not the only god, just the god they must worship above all others (Thou shalt have no other god before me). He is a real god who has his people’s back, so long as they keep up their end of the bargain, not a god who is all things to everyone and loves everyone but still says he prefers somethings to others. That all sounds a bit like libtardism to me -all are loved equally but some are more to be preferred and chosen than others.
The roots of liberalism lie in Christianity. Jesus was a very wise man but all prophets are sent to a time and a place. He was a prophet for an enslaved people who had to love each other, support all who were down and forgive their oppressors. They needed a dream of redemption and reward in the next life. Jesus makes perfect sense in this context. However one has to stretch things a bit when one comes to rule an empire as a Christian or destroy one’s enemies provided they are not committing atrocities. The Old testament Yaweh has no such problem. He is a straight up kind of guy.
We are just exiting an age of doctrines. The Christians gave us nearly 2 millennia of them. Now they have been replaced by the libtards with the lie of equality. You do not need doctrine to be spiritual, to accept a god or reject him. Doctrine is not an essential component of faith. There is always practise. Many religions are orthopractic not orthodoxic. We are just addicted to doctrines competing in the west as a result of our Christian past. We are still subliminally obsessed with finding the one true and narrow way to the Christian god or the straight path of surah al fatihah.
In that much I accept that MGTOW says “bugger your doctrines and your telling me the right way to do everything I choose may way”. That is not easily compatible with too much doctrine. But for some their own way is still the Christian path. For others its a wider world.
As to Crowley and the K in magic -Crowley was a poser and an egotist who invented a lot of bogus things just to be different. He had b~~~~ though and for that I admire him. He was actually quite a good rock climber and mountaineer and he was a man who went his own way.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
My 50 cents.
The existance of a good means that after this life s~~~ keeps going, i really cant stand the idea of having any form of concious existance after this.
Usually humans like all animals are afraid of death, god and the after life is our way of copping with our mortality.
But i long for this to be over, i wish to stop existing and just disolve into nothingness.
Since life is weird, if by any chance god exist, i only want a favor, i want it to be over, all of it, i just want to rest.
But, s~~~ will keep going for a while i guess.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
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