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I never understood how can one be a MGTOW, yet worship God.
What’s the point? Isn’t that the opposite of one going his own way?
When you worship God, you have rules to follow, and these rules suppresses your very essence.
Money is God.
You’re not even a good troll.
You asked for it and here it comes.Peace is > piece.
You’re not even a good troll.
You asked for it and here it comes.Oh, here we have a delusional theist. Did you communicate with your imaginary friend today?
Money is God.
When you worship God, you have rules to follow, and these rules suppresses your very essence.
I disagree, by following God’s rules a better more enjoyable life can be lived.
It’s man’s rules that suck, IMO.
Back off Barbie!
When you worship God, you have rules to follow, and these rules suppresses your very essence.
It depends on how you view these “rules”.
Do you follow the “rules” [i.e. Laws] of gravity & momentum??
Do you follow the “rules” of health and avoid consuming mercury, arsenic, and cyanide??
Does it suppress your “essence” to avoid murder, theft, child abuse, and adultery??When you view God’s government as running just like Earthly governments [using force, coercion, & manipulation], then His “rules” or Laws seem Imposed as though God is an imperial Roman dictator, and it distorts your thinking.
When you view God’s government as running superior to Earthly governments [“my Kingdom is not of this Earth” — Jesus], then His Laws are Design Laws — the very laws that govern life itself. The Law of Worship. The Law of Liberty. The Law of Giving. The Law of Love. The Physical Laws. The Laws of Health. The Law of Exertion. And many more.
Your initial problem was how one could be MGTOW and worship God. Jesus [God with us], never married, and fully embodied all of God’s Laws [rules] in his humanity. How much more MGTOW can you get??
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God. What does that really mean? That’s what I had to think about. Not religion but God. Its not as easy as people make it out to be.
There is a Difference.
But overall, do what’s good for you. A father would want that.
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So, this is an interesting topic to discuss.
I’m a Christian and believe in God, I also really enjoy stoicism, and both have “rules”.
On the stoic view of happiness and your life, you must have a life of virtue. This is what I believe that is the key point for a man character.
None of the 10 commandments ask you to do anything besides have a virtuous life and keep yourself connected to God.
You may ask yourself “Why keep connected to God” ? Is the same as saying “a red pill a day keep thots away”.
You have to keep reminding yourself of what you have been thought or it will fade away.Stoics praise a simple and humble life, and consider that most of unnecessary things/pleasures that you abuse, will bring you harm. The same goes for the 7 sins.
There is a big difference from being a slave, to choose a path in life. I sincerely admire those philosophers, I’m not their slave but their knowledge captivates me and this is why I have gratitude. The same goes with God, I believe in God, I believe that I’m its creation and also everything in nature, and I admire it, I’m not its slave, and what I have for God is gratitude.There is a difference from being forced to do something that you don’t like and will bring you harm (social pressure for marriage for example), from things that are good for yourself and you really want to do.
I will use an example, the government, the laws of the government in our society are above the laws of God, for any Christian this is an outrage, “you shall not murder”, yet the state not only murder children, but it will charge money from you (taxes) to do so. If you not pay those taxes, you will end up in jail. The state/government is something that IMHO is incompatible with MGTOW, since one of the most common things about MGTOWs that is “my wallet my rules” is violated because we have to pay taxes.
But before you say “taxes are the price that we pay to live in a society”, take a look around, are you living in a society that you are proud of ? Do you feel that your money is used in the proper way ?
Taxes are the price that we pay to live in a society where single mothers get more free money than a hardworking man can get by risking his life everyday.
But going your own way, is going your own way. If you don’t believe in God, or considering Christianity, if you don’t feel that it is what you believe in, this is not your own way. What happens if you feel forced to go in a way that you don’t want to ? It makes everything that we discuss here useless.
It’s man’s rules that suck, IMO.
Some people say “man’s rules are good and rational”…. Then you take a look how California is going, is OK to contaminate someone with HIV, but straws are illegal…
Laws are not created to make our lives better, laws are created to keep us under control.
Religion/God and MGTOW are independent topics from one another, and in my opinion best kept that way.
MGTOW will have both “believers” and “non-believers’ in its ranks, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Men do not seek out and participate in MGTOW.com for religious or non-religious topics.
If you wish to discuss religion/god that’s probably best done on a religious forum, and likewise if you are seeking to discuss atheist topics etc.
When religious topics have been discussed on here in the past, the end result is just a lot of useless time, energy, and effort wasted resulting in a lot of p~~~ed off members feuding with one another.
Leave EACH to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE Whatever the F~~~ THEY CHOOSE.
Thank You, Rant Over
Please continue to discuss for at least 6 more pages….LOL LOL
I’ll check in later to see just how bad the fighting gets. LOL LOL
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One has nothing to do with the other.
I bathe in the tears of single moms.
This is too big a topic for a thread I fear. But here goes nothing.
Belief in deities has been a common part of the human experience from pre history to the present day so it is a fairly normal and universal behaviour. Today, one finds believers and unbelievers doing most stuff so MGTOW would be strange if they contained only believers or unbelievers.
GOAT you have a rather satanic picture on your avatar? I am not sure you can have Satan without Jehova? They are part of the same pantheon. Even if you are not a believer yourself in either of the two you are using a religious image so I think you must have been strongly influenced by religion, even if only negatively.
Religion tends to only get viewed though the lens of Abrahamic escatological monotheism in the west -just as people only get viewed through the lens of “equality” here. Because there is only one god in the modern Abrahamic pantheon (usually +jin/spirits and angels like satan) and because Jaweh/ Allah is rather keen on covenants and because in the escatological model he is keen to return to punish and reward his people, so the monotheistic religions like to fight about getting it right.
There can only be one god and they argue about who is worshiping him right/ What rules he really likes (does god love f~~s or hate f~~s? is god a lesbian? or a patriarch? …) This is the view of religion that we born in western culture took in from our parents, from school, from literature, from midnight drunken debates when we were 20. -The idea that religion says one god made the world and that he likes people to do some stuff and not other stuff, that he forgives and rewards. This can seem a bit “There is one correct way” not “Choose your own way” but one still has a free choice whether or not to accept this one god.
Also if people can for one moment take themselves out of the Jehova filled atmosphere they were born in and look around at other concepts of deity -both old and new- then suddenly they see that there is a whole wide world out there of gods who will not give you rules, Who never made the world, who you may have to court before they have any interest in you, who do not want to judge you, who may or may not forgive you…
There is always your own way. Whether with Jehova with other gods or without.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Religion/God and MGTOW are independent topics from one another, and in my opinion best kept that way.
MGTOW will have both “believers” and “non-believers’ in its ranks, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Men do not seek out and participate in MGTOW.com for religious or non-religious topics.
If you wish to discuss religion/god that’s probably best done on a religious forum, and likewise if you are seeking to discuss atheist topics etc.
When religious topics have been discussed on here in the past, the end result is just a lot of useless time, energy, and effort wasted resulting in a lot of p~~~ed off members feuding with one another.
Leave EACH to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE Whatever the F~~~ THEY CHOOSE.
Thank You, Rant Over
Please continue to discuss for at least 6 more pages….LOL LOL
I’ll check in later to see just how bad the fighting gets. LOL LOL
No, we can discuss EVERYTHING on this forum.
How can you GYOW, when you’re following rules that was invented by greedy people to control others like herd of sheep’s?
Half of believers, only believe because they’re afraid of “hell”. They’re afraid of an imaginary being whom they’ve never heard, saw, and communicated with.
How can you GYOW, when you’re a follower?
This MGTOW, we’re men, not bitches. Some topics will cause fight to erupt among us, but that’s ok.
Money is God.
When it comes to MGTOW and God.
To paraphrase Tyler Durden from Fight Club.
“You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen, because we don’t need him.”
My thoughts on this.
Personally, I believe atheism is just having one’s head in the sand. An act of willful ignorance. An act of narcissism to reject the possibility of anything greater than oneself, even if that greater being is for the ill of the people.
I find an honest satanic communist that takes his beliefs seriously and not use his beliefs for orgies and mischief to have more moral character than a catholic cardinal, or atheistic academic professor, whom have made their wealth through wrongly convincing the poor and oppressed that it is moral to support them (catholic cardinal and atheistic academic professor) with their (poor and oppressed) work and what little wealth the poor and oppressed have.
This is too big a topic for a thread I fear. But here goes nothing.
Belief in deities has been a common part of the human experience from pre history to the present day so it is a fairly normal and universal behaviour. Today, one finds believers and unbelievers doing most stuff so MGTOW would be strange if they contained only believers or unbelievers.
GOAT you have a rather satanic picture on your avatar? I am not sure you can have Satan without Jehova? They are part of the same pantheon. Even if you are not a believer yourself in either of the two you are using a religious image so I think you must have been strongly influenced by religion, even if only negatively.
Religion tends to only get viewed though the lens of Abrahamic escatological monotheism in the west -just as people only get viewed through the lens of “equality” here. Because there is only one god in the modern Abrahamic pantheon (usually +jin/spirits and angels like satan) and because Jaweh/ Allah is rather keen on covenants and because in the escatological model he is keen to return to punish and reward his people, so the monotheistic religions like to fight about getting it right.
There can only be one god and they argue about who is worshiping him right/ What rules he really likes (does god love f~~s or hate f~~s? is god a lesbian? or a patriarch? …) This is the view of religion that we born in western culture took in from our parents, from school, from literature, from midnight drunken debates when we were 20. -The idea that religion says one god made the world and that he likes people to do some stuff and not other stuff, that he forgives and rewards. This can seem a bit “There is one correct way” not “Choose your own way” but one still has a free choice whether or not to accept this one god.
Also if people can for one moment take themselves out of the Jehova filled atmosphere they were born in and look around at other concepts of deity -both old and new- then suddenly they see that there is a whole wide world out there of gods who will not give you rules, Who never made the world, who you may have to court before they have any interest in you, who do not want to judge you, who may or may not forgive you…
There is always your own way. Whether with Jehova with other gods or without.
This is baphomet, not Satan.
I’m an atheistic luciferian, I don’t believe in a higher power. I don’t bow down to any gods.
Baphomet is a symbolic image.
It represents enlightenment, empowerment, darkness, lover of life, rebellious, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.
The baphomet has a goat head, not a sheep’s. The Bible calls the follower of Christ, sheeps. I’m going against the herd, not with it. I’m GMOW, not somebody else’s.I don’t believe in any religious text, including the Bible.
Money is God.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Keep on telling yourself that.
GYOW, yet going the way of a God? Lol.
Money is God.
This is too big a topic for a thread I fear. But here goes nothing.
Belief in deities has been a common part of the human experience from pre history to the present day so it is a fairly normal and universal behaviour. Today, one finds believers and unbelievers doing most stuff so MGTOW would be strange if they contained only believers or unbelievers.
GOAT you have a rather satanic picture on your avatar? I am not sure you can have Satan without Jehova? They are part of the same pantheon. Even if you are not a believer yourself in either of the two you are using a religious image so I think you must have been strongly influenced by religion, even if only negatively.
Religion tends to only get viewed though the lens of Abrahamic escatological monotheism in the west -just as people only get viewed through the lens of “equality” here. Because there is only one god in the modern Abrahamic pantheon (usually +jin/spirits and angels like satan) and because Jaweh/ Allah is rather keen on covenants and because in the escatological model he is keen to return to punish and reward his people, so the monotheistic religions like to fight about getting it right.
There can only be one god and they argue about who is worshiping him right/ What rules he really likes (does god love f~~s or hate f~~s? is god a lesbian? or a patriarch? …) This is the view of religion that we born in western culture took in from our parents, from school, from literature, from midnight drunken debates when we were 20. -The idea that religion says one god made the world and that he likes people to do some stuff and not other stuff, that he forgives and rewards. This can seem a bit “There is one correct way” not “Choose your own way” but one still has a free choice whether or not to accept this one god.
Also if people can for one moment take themselves out of the Jehova filled atmosphere they were born in and look around at other concepts of deity -both old and new- then suddenly they see that there is a whole wide world out there of gods who will not give you rules, Who never made the world, who you may have to court before they have any interest in you, who do not want to judge you, who may or may not forgive you…
There is always your own way. Whether with Jehova with other gods or without.
This is baphomet, not Satan.
I’m an atheistic luciferian, I don’t believe in a higher power. I don’t bow down to any gods.
Baphomet is a symbolic image.
It represents enlightenment, empowerment, darkness, lover of life, rebellious, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.
The baphomet has a goat head, not a sheep’s. The Bible calls the follower of Christ, sheeps. I’m going against the herd, not with it. Satan’s image was created by the church, they use that name as an escape goat for their sins. I’m GMOW, not somebody else’s.I don’t believe in any religious text, including the Bible.
Money is God.
GYOW, yet going the way of a God? Lol.
If I say, “brother, don’t waste your time with thots and never marry them”.
And you follow my advice, and not only you find it useful, but it make you happy.
Are you following my way ? Or you took my advice and make your own way ?
Several of our thoughts have been in others mind. If you take a look at ancient greek philosophy, you will notice that even our actual political problems have happened before, and men who were born and died far before you, had thoughts about that work even in the actual days. If you agree with that, are you following your own way ? Are you not following it by just agree with someone conclusion ?Manipulation happens in several ways, if you consider what someone else says as a rule, and feel that you should not ever follow it, you are being manipulated to not follow it. It happens far more often than you can imagine.
You way is the path that you follow to your happiness and freedom.
Debauchery in a serious topic like this will just make no one take you seriously and just categorize you as a troll.Well I have learned something today GOAT, thanks. I had not heard of your faith before.
It may take a bit of getting my head around but is an atheistic luciferan basically someone who is an atheist but is not keen on the goodey two shoes rules that many Christian influenced atheists still adhere to -like the lie of equality or the lie of social progress- and finds the “throw the rule book out of the window and love yourself” of Satanism more attractive?
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
No, we can discuss EVERYTHING on this forum.
By ALL means you can discuss the topic, but I have seen this played out on here many times, and it usually just ends in a s~~~ show, and takes time, energy, and effort that could be put towards more worthwhile topics, but I’m not standing in ANYONES way to say WHATEVER they wish.
So, continue to have at it !!!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
GYOW, yet going the way of a God? Lol.
If I say, “brother, don’t waste your time with thots and never marry them”.
And you follow my advice, and not only you find it useful, but it make you happy.
Are you following my way ? Or you took my advice and make your own way ?
Several of our thoughts have been in others mind. If you take a look at ancient greek philosophy, you will notice that even our actual political problems have happened before, and men who were born and died far before you, had thoughts about that work even in the actual days. If you agree with that, are you following your own way ? Are you not following it by just agree with someone conclusion ?Manipulation happens in several ways, if you consider what someone else says as a rule, and feel that you should not ever follow it, you are being manipulated to not follow it. It happens far more often than you can imagine.
You way is the path that you follow to your happiness and freedom.
Debauchery in a serious topic like this will just make no one take you seriously and just categorize you as a troll.Let’s end this topic, because I see how sensitive people get when confronted about their faith.
Money is God.
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