Marital Sex and Jerking Off

[KeymasterKeymaster]

“As long as a man is stroking… his fantasies will ALWAYS go exactly the way HE wants them to.
No man says that about his girlfriend or wife.”

It’s a little less “gay”. But just as effective.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[WakingupParticipant 30]

Update….

Still no sex from the wife.  She’s being distant and cold.  I keep anticipating her finally initiating sex (because i’m holding out honestly) and how will I respond to it.  I’ve decided that i will tell her no.  Give some excuse for why but definitely NOT have sex with her.  When we do have sex?  It will be when I want to.  At this point by me giving in when she initiates it will feel completely manipulative and I will feel like some sort of pussy whipped castrated bitch.  I’m sure she’s expecting me to jump on her and shout “Oh sweetheart I’m so glad you still love me…I”m so fortunate to have you as my wife…thank you for doing this – i so appreciate it so much.  I need you.”    *shudders.   Interestingly enough we do NEED to have sex…it’s always pulled us closer and usually is hot as hell.   But the way our relationship is right now I’m simply not attracted to her .   So yep…I’ll turn pussy down.

Or…

If she initiates do I say “fine” and pin her down and drill her into next week?  F~~~ her so hard i hurt her.?

[WakingupParticipant 30]

jambear said: “t<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 22.8571434020996px;”>here is no way to not make this sound gay, you could but it takes the fun out of saying it. If a woman asks you why you still jack it look her dead in the eyes and say </span>“No woman on this Earth will every be able to work the shaft better then me.”\  Then sit back and enjoy the reaction. Extra points if you can say it without busting out laughing or smiling.”

Doesn’t sound even remotely gay to me.  Besides it’s the truth.  After 20 years of marriage my wife still sucks at bj’s and hj’s.  Some would say…”That’s your fault for not teaching her as the husband what you want. ”  BULL. S~~~.  I’ve tried a million times.  Told her a million times.  Did she EVER have to teach me how to go down on her?  That was called INSTINCTIVE for me.   Such a double standard.  Damn.
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[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

@wakingup  Click on “Text” on the right before typing anything in the box. There’s visual and text button near the box where you type,  otherwise you will see the HTML code.

 

 

Dude what if she gets it from someone else.  Next time talk is half asleep voice.  Honey can you turn down the tv the porn movie is too loud that it’s shaking our bed.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[WakingupParticipant 30]

Dude what if she gets it from someone else.  Next time talk is half asleep voice.  Honey can you turn down the tv the porn movie is too loud that it’s shaking our bed.

lol

If she was getting it from someone else…
1. I’d sorta find it hot. Oddly enough I’d probably want to join them. (sorta kidding sorta not)
2. There’s my out for a divorce.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

My buddy used to joke he only started jerking off AFTER he got married. Seriously though,just tell her frequent masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer (true) so you are doing it for health reasons,besides you tell her she’s the only one you think of while doing it.LOL

[BubParticipant 1405]

@wakingup……

i like your story and can relate… Bought a box of condoms last February and there is still a full box next to the bed..my goal is to throw out a full box of condoms after the expiration date has passed… and it’s not like I don’t make a run at getting some, I’m just tired of and refuse to beg anymore for sex…

don’t know where or when she strokes herself, but she does and I don’t really care… I just take care of me when I need to…

i think  you were perfect “staying asleep” while she rode her dildo next to you, I’m betting she came hard, or faked a long hard cum for herself trying to shame you.  The only thing you could have done was let her suck your c~~~ to your satisfaction.  Know way you should have filled her pussy with behavior like that… If they need to f~~~ let them ask for it like civilised humans…

@keymaster… I’ve seen you say a couple of times ” men are dogs, women are cats”.  YEP..t~~~s….  See my avatar!

Just rolling down the road

[TrickydixParticipant 3]

I’m speechless but i agree Cranking is natural and women hate it, must be a control thing. I have been told that i’m cheating when i crank SMH

[DakotaParticipant 341]

@wakingup

I disagree with you and the forum.

Men rail and complain that women manipulate them using sex.
Now you are trying to manipulate her using sex?
Women are evil, vindictive, and manipulative.
A woman’s way is c~~~y. A MGTOW should avoid any semblance of c~~~iness.

Having a woman pleasuring herself next to a man, and a man not nailing that s~~~, …is a bit sad.  I’m not talking noble white-knight s~~~ either.  And I totally agree that women love to be treated like s~~~…it makes them feel special!  But if a MGHOW wants sex from his gal he just gets it.  When I reach out in the night, those panties are coming down or the relations~~~ is over.  Put-out or get-out!  That’s the one thing I want, it’s not negotiable and if she won’t give it up, then she can hit the f~~~ing road. She can take the checkbook with her, just get the f~~~ out. Truth.

So does a MGHOW need to manipulate his wife or anyone else?  To me, MGTOW is a consciousness.  It is a clarion call to all men that they are entirely responsible for their own life and their own happiness.  An independent man goes his own way with little regard for others opinions or motives.  Others will recognize this independence and either accept it and go with it, or reject it and go away from it.  In either case, it doesn’t matter, the man is going his own way.

BTW, are you getting anywhere?  Besides your wife being “cold” towards you, have you improved her behavior…at all?

Other thoughts:

Women are more cunning than you may think.  Many a man has proudly thought that his wife was starting to see things his way…right before he slumped over in his soup after she poisoned it.

Breaking News:  “An Italian nurse nicknamed “The Angel of Death” is in jail in Italy under investigation for the murder of up to 96 patients in the course of a single year in the hospital ward where she worked – that’s one death every three days between April 2013 and April 2014. If found guilty of killing all those patients, she will be classed one of the most prolific serial killers in history.” 

A woman will “catch” you watching porn and call you out immediately.  A woman who catches you blogging or sexting will let you continue until your finished…then print it out and hand it to her lawyer.

Nature designed a woman for one thing and that’s f~~~ing.  The rest is just details.

Remember Lorena Bobbit?  Enough said.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Trickydix said something important here:

I’m speechless but i agree Cranking is natural and women hate it, must be a control thing. I have been told that i’m cheating when i crank SMH

Cranking cheats women out of being able to controlling your orgasm – or by your orgasm. When you need to nut and pleasure yourself, you learn that your fantasies will always go the way YOU want them to. She can’t compete with that. Nutting without her and satisfying yourself is something women hate because they think your satisfaction and contentment depends on THEM. They call it “cheating” but really, she’s only p~~~ed because she can’t get away with cheating you OUT of it.

+1 Trickydix

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Wakingup: At first it sounded like you wanted her to initiate and now it sounds like you don’t want her to. I can understand what a drag it is to be the one to have to call the shots but that’s what we men do. That passive aggressive attempt to rile you up is probably the best a female can manage… they just can’t expose themselves to overt rejection and have to cover everything with plausible deniability. But you know she wanted sex so it works out e same.

Go home tomorrow and walk up to her, say “Now.” and take her to bed. If she resists and tries to deny you sex because you’ve been a bit distant lately, go put on a ski mask and grab a roll of duct tape and say “Oh, you want to play hard to get now? Let’s play. The Safe Word is DIVORCE”. Most women have a rape fantasy anyway so this could be her lucky day. And you might want to get all that on film just in case it goes sideways.

[MacOisdealbhParticipant 14]

They’re all drama queens. I went through the same stuff soon after I got married. Start now to plan for your MGTOW future, keep separate accounts, put invisible money aside (gold, BitCoin, etc), document anything that looks like abuse either way, etc. You will likely need all of it and more in the future.

[Anonymous 5]

I remember my ex denying me sex. So I said okay and started jerking off, blew my load and she was f~~~ing p~~~ed at me! Typical women bulls~~~. Like bitch at least I didn’t cheat on you. She was mad all week and withheld sex again so I timed it just right….

She comes home after work and I am fully naked on the bed with a laptop bursting out porn and I am just jacking it! You should have seen the f~~~ing LOOK on her face. She was BEYOND p~~~ed. I just bursted out laughing and told her to go f~~~ herself if she won’t f~~~ me.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Once you are married or even in a relationship with a female, you are not allowed to control your own sexual experience because it destroys her power over you. Denying you sexual release and forcing you to cheat on her are two pillars of her control over you (just like organized religion) and if you take your sexuality into your own hands (literally!) and provide yourself with release without guilt or shame, she knows that she can not use sex as a weapon against you.

[…Spectator 1165]

WakingUp: That wife of your sounds like a piece of work! Pretty much a normal woman. If after having to think of 100 ways to approach discussing her masturbation session with her, eventually it will come down to this: she expects you to read her mind and since she’s female she HATES it when a man is getting some needed rest.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

That’s funny, just noticed I got negged for my previous post in this thread. I’m fine with that but if you’re the guy who negged me, at least post and tell me what about my statements it was that you didn’t like. Don’t worry, I can take it.

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
Trickydix said something important here:

Cranking cheats women out of being able to controlling your orgasm – or by your orgasm. When you need to nut and pleasure yourself, you learn that your fantasies will always go the way YOU want them to. She can’t compete with that. Nutting without her and satisfying yourself is something women hate because they think your satisfaction and contentment depends on THEM. They call it “cheating” but really, she’s only p~~~ed because she can’t get away with cheating you OUT of it.

+1 Trickydix

Holy words.
I always did it during my marriage, except during first two years.
I even used it to PUNISH her: she had sleep aroused more than one time.
I even excited her, then finally rejected her.
I have full control of my body and my thoughts and my desire: I’m not inferior to a female. In fact, I’m superior to her: more rational ALWAYS, and plus more during “that days” she also have the supplemental idiocy caused by menstruations.
I can be even more evil and manipulative than a woman, that’s not the point.
The point is: I NEVER WAS THE ONE WHO STARTED A WAR, BUT I ALWAYS WAS THE ONE WHO ENDED IT.

[RedCoatParticipant 0]

My thought… I would have turned around and made her respect me. How you ask? Told her the sh*t she’s pulling needs to stop. Then to let her know I’m in charge I would have sexed the sh*t out of her, because I wanted it. If you think your in charge and Stop beating around the bush she’ll thank you later. This is all passive aggressive women BS…she must be rubbing off on you. Don’t succumb to the BS games.

[WakingupParticipant 30]

Some pretty great insights and advice – much appreciated.  Let me clarify a few things that may help in understanding why I’m STILL (yes still) holding out.  Holy s~~~ – just realized it’s now the end of January and my original post was October.  That makes 3 months solid.

First it’s not like we’re newlyweds … 20+ years.  Sex has been pretty great as far as frequency goes up until a few months ago.   Though I can honestly say she has never once….not one time….given me a blow job.   I’m sorry – one time.  She did within the first 3 years of our marriage and it was laughable.  I mean she is clueless.  Anyway….  I’ve always found this odd given the fact that I go down on her every time and she loves it.  And before you feel the need to say “Have you told her”.  I’m not a f~~~ing idiot.  A millions times I’ve told her.

About 2 months ago she told me that over the past couple years “I realized that was having sex with you for a lot of different reason – like to try to keep you close to me out of fear you’d look other places”….in othe words….she f~~~ed me to control me and out of her own psycho fear.  Nice.  Glad i know this now.  Our “great” sex life was scam and had nothing to do with you finding your husband hot and wanting to jump him.

My decision to hold out is because I actually feel more in control and MGTOW by doing so.  Do I want pussy?  I have a dick and b~~~~ so yes.  But do I want to have sex with her?  Right now…no.  Having sex with her when I know she has no desire to have sex with me would not be a turn on at all.  I seriously doubt i’d stay hard.  I’d rather beat off.  She’d just lay there enduring me.  Yeah no thanks.  So for me, not f~~~ing her is the most MGTOW thing I can do.  I refuse to beg her like some horny teenage BOY which, in my opinion, means me handing over my b~~~~ to her.

I noticed the other day that at some point over the last few weeks the dildo has disappeared.  She’s obviously thrown it away.   She always enjoyed that thing so i’m a bit confused.  Did I mention she wanted to use it on me?  Tried to get me to suck it with her a few times.  All odd s~~~ if you ask me.

I mentioned either setting up separate bedroom or one of us moving out.  That got her attention and we went to dinner and talked about it.  But she just wanted to “listen” she said so she was pretty damn quiet the entire time.  I brought up that fact that we’re not having sex and there is aboslutely no affection so what’s the point of sleeping in the same bed.  After all my “honesty”….did anything change this past weekend?  Let’s just say I’m glad I bought a fleshlight a few weeks ago.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Dump her. Sex isn’t about “reasons”, it’s about being hot for someone and wanting to do freaky s~~~ with them. She’s “bad” at giving head? Have her watch a few hours of porn and tell her to learn, she can practice on a banana while you watch. What, she said no? Yeah, I figured as much.

Honestly, kick this girl to the kerb and go find one who wants your dick in her mouth. Or just be alone… it would be less insulting than what you’ve got now.

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