Love is not real

[FahraynkParticipant 67]

Love is just a mental, emotional attachment with a spoon full of evolutionary lust that lasts just long enough for a baby to survive.

Take my cat for example… Sure, he likes me… but if my neighbor fed him better food then me, more often then me… and he could come and go freely… Would I ever see my cat again ?

Take my X girlfriend… If love is real, and she used to love me more then I loved her… what happened ? She possibly found more excitement, better sex, more money… who knows. The love she felt for me suddenly was conveniently gone and she vanished, similar to the cat getting fed better food from a neighbor.

When someone who plays a role in your life dies or leaves, you have lost a part of your life. So feeling sad when someone dies is likely on par with taking away a child’s toy. The child has lost something they enjoyed, they are sad.

Love is thought to be some sort of magical emotion, some magical ideal that we all should live up to. Anything thought to be “magical” should be taken with skepticism. An intelligent person realizes magic is not real.

Does anyone know any other things that might not be real, that I have not thought of yet ? (I’m already atheist, so there is that…)
Also… if you agree with me… how are you coping with a life without love ? Personally I am trying to get to the point where I’m just enjoying the moment instead of looking for some magic “thing” to make me feel better in the future.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

i agree completely. Love is fake and it’s very powerful because of 100 000+ years of evolution.

the mainstream media is also not real.

to cope without love, I play sports and develop hobbies. Work on my fitness, listen and play music……etc

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[MalfunctionNeedInputParticipant 257]

Fahraynk wrote:

Love is just a mental, emotional attachment with a spoon full of evolutionary lust that lasts just long enough for a baby to survive.

Take my cat for example… Sure, he likes me… but if my neighbor fed him better food then me, more often then me… and he could come and go freely… Would I ever see my cat again ?

Take my X girlfriend… If love is real, and she used to love me more then I loved her… what happened ? She possibly found more excitement, better sex, more money… who knows. The love she felt for me suddenly was conveniently gone and she vanished, similar to the cat getting fed better food from a neighbor.

When someone who plays a role in your life dies or leaves, you have lost a part of your life. So feeling sad when someone dies is likely on par with taking away a child’s toy. The child has lost something they enjoyed, they are sad.

Love is thought to be some sort of magical emotion, some magical ideal that we all should live up to. Anything thought to be “magical” should be taken with skepticism. An intelligent person realizes magic is not real.

Does anyone know any other things that might not be real, that I have not thought of yet ? (I’m already atheist, so there is that…)
Also… if you agree with me… how are you coping with a life without love ? Personally I am trying to get to the point where I’m just enjoying the moment instead of looking for some magic “thing” to make me feel better in the future.

I guess for me memories and nostalgia are things I like to ponder and give me pleasure or sadness or whatever emotion. I don’t think of someone dying as the same as a kid losing a toy, imho, it’s much deeper. Children grow up and toys just aren’t relevant anymore…Yet a family member dying is much different. I really miss my grandma, I don’t know what toy I had as a child that I really loved but don’t really care.

Love is pretty difficult to quantify, between man and woman, nah. I think something more between a selfless friend or close family member, say a brother or father or grandmother or something. Everyone cope’s with things differently, you just have to find your own way. I’m trying to keep busy, learn new things, try something new with more risk, do things I’ve never done or things I thought I couldn’t do, work out, etc.

Just don’t stop moving forward.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I’m not trying to detract from your point if love is nothing more than a biochemical response within the brain and therefore not real.

Then it follows that all other emotional states are not real as well.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Have thought about it carefully and once saw an illustration like this – on how “love” works:

MAN >> WOMAN >> CHILDREN >> PUPPIES

It never works in reverse.

You won’t be the receiver of any. It’s just supposed to flow FROM you. ( How’s that for a big fat red pill?. )

Love isn’t what you get. It’s what you give. I have never heard a woman articulate it this way – except Katherine Hepburn – but that’s as far as she got.

Those we “love” the most are those we give the most to – even when it doesn’t come back to you. Pay attention to how women generally talk about it, and they think “love” is something they FIND – something that “comes” to them. Even Celine Dion sings “love comes to those who believe it”. It’s a bunch of crap. To women, it’s what they GET….. and when they are not getting, they are miserable. Oh sure, they love children and puppies. Just not you.

I have seen women be kinder (and more affectionate) to the dog …… than the boyfriend or husband.

She’ll stroke and pet the dog for 45 minutes while watching TV. But not you.
She will pick up a dog;’s s~~~….. but your socks on the floor are a huge f~~~ing deal.

••••••

A man can love his work. He can (and should) love himself.
Even his car. It’s what he puts IN. … to his family… to his work…. to his dreams….

So he had better put plenty into himself – because nobody else will.
I’m not saying I’m right about this. It’s just the way I see it.

There’s a huge upside to this, by the way. You don’t need to wait for anyone else – or their permission. Women tend to look and wait for it. For them, being the receiver of “love” depends on external factors. She waits to “find” it. But a man can create it. You can “love” anybody or anything you want – anytime you want – even if it doesn’t love you back….. because that’s how it works. Don’t wait for it, and make sure you give yourself at least 51% of the share.

The problem is, men are so busy slaving and giving it all away, and perhaps that’s why all the male suicides.

Just a theory.

( Lust is something else. Dangerous to confuse them)

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

I’m not trying to detract from your point if love is nothing more than a biochemical response within the brain and therefore not real.

Limerence suggests that infatuation is not particularly valuable, except perhaps as a sign that children will be particularly genetically viable.

Soldier-Medic wrote:

Then it follows that all other emotional states are not real as well.

Mind blown. My goodness. I have to reflect on this one. Hrm.

I think this wanders a little too closely into the classic truism that things largely (but not entirely) have the meaning we give them. . . but as a Christian, and sometimes Stoic, I must believe in a universal and higher truth that exists outside of mere perception.

That is quite useful, however, to be reminded that many of my emotional states can be reprogrammed by me, rather than allowing my environment to program them for me.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

love – is evolutional mechanism expressed as discriminatory altruism towards carriers of genes similar to your own, found in social species.
romantic love – is a form of love “avance”, where the object of love is considered to be good genetic material for your future children,
saying that love isn’t real is a sign of delusion. it’s like saying that gravity isn’t real. It might not be, but the way this phenomenon manifests itself is very real regardless of anyone’s opinion about it

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Love is the illusion that one woman differs from another.
– Red Pill Bible

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

@keymaster that was depressing and gay, but i loved it. Where were you when I was 20?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Total Lee wrote:

Where were you when I was 20?

Probably just as confused about it as you were!

Total Lee wrote:

@keymaster that was depressing and gay

LOL

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DeeJaySeaParticipant 40]

Love is real!

I love my guitars, my bikes, beer, whiskey, scotch…

[HitmanParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

So he had better put plenty into himself – because nobody else will.
I’m not saying I’m right about this. It’s just the way I see it.

you are right ! i see it that way too .you speak truth KM..you seem to process things in a way that makes these life truths easy to understand . sure wish the internet existed 20 years ago , and MGTOW was there ….keep on rockin !!!

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Keymaster wrote:

Have thought about it carefully and once saw an illustration like this – on how “love” works:

MAN >> WOMAN >> CHILDREN >> PUPPIES

It never works in reverse.

You won’t be the receiver of any. It’s just supposed to flow FROM you. ( How’s that for a big fat red pill?. )

That’s so accurate and well put. That all they do is take.

They take cum, they take time, they take energy, they take resources. Take take take. That sums up a female pretty well.

Jeez they’re like f~~~in vampires…

Not my property... Not my problem

[EntropyParticipant 902]

Man… reading this thread made my day… it feels like I’m home.

"Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves" -BBR

[KeymasterKeymaster]

NotMyProblem wrote:

MAN >> WOMAN >> CHILDREN >> PUPPIES
It never works in reverse.
That’s so accurate and well put. That all they do is take. Jeez they’re like f~~~in vampires.

It sounds severe – and I admit I have had some pretty cool girlfriends in the past — but I do remember one day when I realized that I never heard the words “Is there anything I can do for YOU?’

JUST demands and expectations — FROM me.

Then it hit me square between the eyes. “Vampires”.

If I said “your turn to make dinner” or “can you fix me a drink” there was no argument and they were glad to it. But for all the “your supposed to”s …. and “you shoulds” I heard…… there was no balance at all.

DeeJaySea wrote:

Love is real!
I love my guitars, my bikes, beer, whiskey, scotch…

That’s it right there.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Entropy wrote:

Man… reading this thread made my day… it feels like I’m home.

yea, this is a great thread………

you guys probably heard this before but, “”Love is nature’s way of tricking people into reproducing””

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[CaliParticipant 753]

Eh. That’s romantic love. That sort of love (also known as infatuation) usually stems from instincts and impulses. What OP was talking about is the type of love that happens when someone’s will is not strong enough to resist an unwise impulse and think the consequences through.
That sort of love stems from WEAKNESS.

That is love in one sense.

Being a Christian, I believe there is a difference between love and infatuation. True love is always a choice. If I have a friend who is going through hard times, I will try to do what is best for him, no matter what the cost, even though I really don’t feel like helping him, because my goal is not to fulfill some biological instinct. My goal is not to act naturally. My goal is to act supernaturally. That is why true love often involves sacrifice.
This sort of love stems from STRENGTH.

The good news is that in the case of so many women, you can certainly love them by feeding them a good dose of reality, and you can love every single man in the West by not getting married. “Love rejoices with the truth” 1 Corinthians.

Just my two cents.

Peace.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[FahraynkParticipant 67]

@soldier-medic By not real, I mean the “magical love”. I’m saying that when someone is in your life, they become a part of “you”. Then when you lose that person, its like losing a part of your life. That sadness you feel… is possibly just the sadness of your own death of a piece of your life, in a way. So I don’t mean in a “are we here, nothing is real” kind of way. Yeah, as an atheist I think all emotions are bio-chemical reactions in our brains… but that does not mean they are not real. Chemicals are real. What I mean is there is no love.

There is sadness joy excitement fear ect. How do I know ? They are easy to come by. Go skydiving for excitement/joy/fear. Where can you go to experience love ? Good luck with that.

@keymaster damn man that is wisdom (Man>Woman>Children>Puppies). To be honest, I think you are correct in a way… but I think that probably by giving love… what you are really doing is just giving attention and putting in work. Why do we label that love ? You can put attention and work into your car… some people say they “love” what they do. I guess maybe that means they put a lot of attention + work into what they do then… See, love is just a label for attention+work in this case. Its not some magical thing that makes you feel good, is what I’m saying. But yeah man>woman flow that was gold.

[Anonymous 18]

Love is UFOs with financial backings from conglomerates and celebrated in pop culture, media, music, movies, novels, etc…

But does it make it any more real?

Suppose it is. And suppose what men feel for a woman they really like, want to be with and have a family and call that love.

Now we can project that feeling to the opposite gender.

Hence love is. For a blue piller. That man absorbs it like a sponge.

That leaves women. Why do they believe in love? They can hardly project their feelings on to the man. If anything she is against love for her feelings are incentivized toward gaining financial security and support for her offspring. And if a man (in her projections) is remotely seeking love for same reasons she is, it is bound to leave her detached and calculative about her best options. And she is.

Love truly exists. But it’s a concept garnered and celebrated by men. Unfortunately also created by men.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I don’t know from “romantic” love. I know lust, and even infatuation, but love? No. Not my topic.
Many years ago I stopped looking to network TV shows for entertainment. Too many disappointments. I no longer explore that as a resource. It is similar with love. Maybe it’s real, I don’t know, but I no longer care to find out. I just don’t f~~~ing care.
When I meet a new woman, or someone tries to introduce me to one, I am civil, friendly, and can still be a good conversationalist and charming, or so I am told, but the door to love is closed tight. No, I’m not too shy to ask for her number, and I don’t have fear of inadequacy or anything like that. I am not even afraid of commitment. Not wanting something does not mean I am afraid. I am just not interested in any kind of “relationship” besides the purely sexual, and then only without the drama. I don’t hate women. It’s not the players, it’s the game, and I am not playing.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

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