Love is not real

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Love is rented.

Fuck this planet.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I love lemon puff biscuits … with tea … no milk or sugar.

I love that ?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Fahraynk wrote:

Love is just a mental, emotional attachment with a spoon full of evolutionary lust that lasts just long enough for a baby to survive.

Agreed. Once upon a time, I could even name the hormones and neurotransmitters involved. It was on a series of tests for courses I had to pass.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Blue Skies wrote:

if you agree with me… how are you coping with a life without love ? Personally I am trying to get to the point where I’m just enjoying the moment instead of looking for some magic “thing” to make me feel better in the future.

I agree with you.
I don’t even know what love is, so I can’t tell you how to cope without something I never had.

… Okay. In my experience, love is fulfillment of wishes, that lie in my heart for me: Joy, fun, happiness. You name it.
And then this “love” can be exploited and abused and I’m going to be honest, that it’s not gender specific. Those who fell in love risked it. They did let themselves fall for it, many even despite the obvious red flags.

I can only love to do things I love to do. Simple as that.
The overdoing of “true love” seems silly to me and kind of untrue in terms of existence.

Cali wrote:

you guys probably heard this before but, “”Love is nature’s way of tricking people into reproducing””

Indeed it is. Why else would sex feel almost undeniably amazing? Ding, ding, ding! Correct answer!
But scientifically speaking, it’s not only the love to trick us but in combination of the amusement one can get from sex, which is the release of endorphins from the central nervous system. Grand but short pleasure.

Anonymous wrote:

I think that is freedom and what you emotionally invest in should not be dependent on others…just you.

You cannot imagine how much I agree with you on that. I literally spent my childhood depending on the others (parents mood) because I was stuck in my family until I graduated from high school and went my own way. What an inevitable waste that was. That’s how I got my eternal stock on red pills.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[FreeatlastParticipant 24]

Love is what I give myself to sweeten red pill bitterness…

Free

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Fahraynk wrote:

Love is just a mental, emotional attachment with a spoon full of evolutionary lust that lasts just long enough for a baby to survive.

Take my cat for example… Sure, he likes me… but if my neighbor fed him better food then me, more often then me… and he could come and go freely… Would I ever see my cat again ?

It seems like you’re comparing women to cats…..hmmmm…..analogies anyone?? Hehe.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22538]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

I’m not trying to detract from your point if love is nothing more than a biochemical response within the brain and therefore not real.

Then it follows that all other emotional states are not real as well.

While love in the classic romantic sense may not exist, I believe that friendship can exist.

I have looked into reincarnation. And there are fascinating numbers of research cases of members of families and friends being born over and over again in those families, or born to families near those families. At some level, there must be some sort of friendship between people. But, given how emotionally immature most people are, almost all women and most men, that friendship is hard to find, let alone be appreciated.

[FahraynkParticipant 67]

to one up my example of the cat who you think loves you and yet disappears when the neighbor starts feeding him better food…

I think its generally accepted that most people would openly tell their bf/gf they would cheat on them with certain movie stars. It is automatic proof. If your women who “loves you” would sleep with George Clooney without a second thought even though she made you wait because shes “not a slut”… This pretty much shows you the difference in your sexual value (even though she loves you) to Georges.

And if George kept offering this girl who loves you his better sexual value, your women will disappear just like the cat. Her love would conveniently vanish. I don’t think many people would argue with this. If you accept this, then you accept love is not real.

Id go as far as to say if people could change their family/parents/kids they probably would… If you could change your brat kid for a future millionaire movie star who would be your best friend and give you tons of cash… would you ? I never had a child… But I think at the very least your kid would definitely trade YOU in for a super cool millionaire rapper dad. Which definitely means there is a certain amount of guilt mixed in with the human ideal of love.

So now I think love is just a religious cover up for things were not supposed to want. Women’s love = lust + guilt + money + fear but men’s is just lust + guilt + fear.

Fear… would probably be fear of being alone (loneliness, ect)
No magical emotion, no magic at all. Just a combination of feelings that you can actually quantify and easily feel daily.

[goadsaidParticipant 100]

Fahraynk wrote:

Id go as far as to say if people could change their family/parents/kids they probably would… If you could change your brat kid for a future millionaire movie star who would be your best friend and give you tons of cash… would you ? I never had a child… But I think at the very least your kid would definitely trade YOU in for a super cool millionaire rapper dad. Which definitely means there is a certain amount of guilt mixed in with the human ideal of love.

Point well made. It basically makes love a “your the best I can do right now” thing. Love is “I like you more than having nothing in your place” Or “I have a little loyalty towards you, But nothing crazy.”

I find this whole concept (mgtow, herbivore men) increasingly delightful. It’s like the Pharmaceuticals CEO who decided to price gouge people only to find that the people had the ingredients for an alternative pill in their backyards. Women price gouged men because, like dogs, we are naturally level-headed good sports. However, unlike dogs men are resourceful and economically minded.

I see this all coming to a head in the future with some Female Republican politician talking on Fox about the droves of lovely women who want to give some man the world. She will say that liberals/feminists misrepresented the female demographic before and that “women were the ones who made divorce courts more fair in 2025.” She will say that marrying a woman over 35 is the best way to secure your financial future – via the state subsidies.

However, it won’t matter. Much like addiction, a little time clean from women gives you the perspective of 3 lifetimes. The women who voted the liberals in will be forced to wear habibs on their head at that point because of the invite-everyone-in the country attitude of college women (who apparently control the world) and this will make them even more invisible than before.

[Quiet ThomParticipant 116]

I think that all of the opinions given have merit and are true to each individual and his experience. I would like to weigh in, if I may. For those that don’t know, I was widowed 9 years ago after being married for almost 32 years. I had always thought that marriage was way out of balance in a woman’s favor and felt used and quietly angry….but I trudged on because, at that time, I believed in marriage. I realize now that I couldn’t have been more wrong about women and marriage. Now I see things as they really are. I loved my wife and did what I thought a good husband should do. And, I was continuously mindf~~~ed by my wife for my efforts. To say my life sucked was an understatement. By God’s grace, I didn’t realize just how much my life sucked having an ungrateful s~~~ for a wife until she died. That being said, I would be less than truthful if I didn’t give my wife credit for being wonderful, kind, and sweet the last few months of her life. Possibly, knowing her end was near, she figured out how good and devoted I was to her and felt compelled to show appreciation for it. Unlikely, I know……but marginally possible. To summarize, I think men are capable of love for women (for whatever reason) but women don’t have the capacity to love men. Is this an evolutionary development so they won’t get distracted in their enslavement and exploitation of men?. F~~~ed if I know.

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Anonymous wrote:

Love is UFOs with financial backings from conglomerates and celebrated in pop culture, media, music, movies, novels, etc…

But does it make it any more real?

Suppose it is. And suppose what men feel for a woman they really like, want to be with and have a family and call that love.

Now we can project that feeling to the opposite gender.

Hence love is. For a blue piller. That man absorbs it like a sponge.

That leaves women. Why do they believe in love? They can hardly project their feelings on to the man. If anything she is against love for her feelings are incentivized toward gaining financial security and support for her offspring. And if a man (in her projections) is remotely seeking love for same reasons she is, it is bound to leave her detached and calculative about her best options. And she is.

Love truly exists. But it’s a concept garnered and celebrated by men. Unfortunately also created by men.

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Great Don Draper quote. Love it. I watched the entire show with my ex wife in the old days HAHA… we both enjoyed it. Don Draper’s journey… every MGTOW should watch that show IMHO.

[MedicalScientistParticipant 159]

Love is a human error gentlemen, always remember that…. It’s just an illusionary trick created by your mind to satisfy a low income of endorphins (biochemical found in our brain that stimulates happy status and avoid us to fall in depression).

"Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."

[Anonymous 2]

Just because a massive majority of women lack the self-discipline required to override; solipsism, hypergamy, gynocracy, briffaults law, evolution, her friends opinions, mental illness, ignorance, her father’s desires, religious pressures, biological clock, feminist views, the television, the radio, her childhood memories, the news.

…Doesn’t mean Love is dead. I feel it in my heart, even though I’m alone. Buy a dog.

I have hope for the future. What we’re doing here is waking people up from these bulls~~~ rules.

I have hope for the love you seek between man and artificial intelligence. The film ‘Her’ was the closest fiction, I believe will be realised.

Don’t let women convince you, the love you feel isn’t special. It is. It is magical too. You can use it to achieve the impossible.

We are men.

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

Love is an evolutionary tool to keep men aroubd women long enough for the kids to survive.
Its just an ilusion, a c~~~tail of meurotransmiters.

And yes, its a male thing.
Woman only feel afection, not so called love to there children as a tool for survival,

They DO NOT AN WILL NEVER LOVE YOU. period.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

Love exists the same way that God exists or fiat currency is real money:
It exists because we decide it does.
The moment we realize that, it vanishes.

Most of us can still remember the song: What is love, baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more.

Makes sense: If you know what Love is, it cant hurt you.

Coolest part about it thou: Its real if you believe it, but as its been said before: be careful what you wish for.
So its up to you. I personally Like the idea of Love. Makes life more fun.
Fun fact: If you never love, you will be safer. If you love you are playing n a mine fields with melons. But the time you almost blew yourself up and didn’t feels good. Just dont blame others when you accidentally drop one of those melons.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

I agree that there is no such thing as unconditional love.
However, I do believe that humans can love conditionally.

Just because biology is the driving force of the behaviour, it does not make all love fake.
If I recall correctly, the Greeks had several words for love. And I know that, in other languages, there are different words for different forms of it.

But I think you are spot on in saying that when a woman tells you that she loves you, she is not being honest.
There are things to keep in mind when a woman says ‘I love you’:
(a) she is trying to make you believe in a specific kind of love (unconditional)
(b) she might or might not believe that this kind of love is possible

Now, if love is unconditional, then why would a woman feel the need to tell you ‘I love you’
(a) she genuinely means it
(b) so that you will also strive to love her unconditionally

Now, recall the MGTOW axiom that all women are by nature hypergamous.
Given hypergamy, it would not be worth believing that she meant it genuinely at that moment.
It would be safer to assume that she is trying to activate your alpha male provider instincts to leech you of your utility.
Also, given hypergamy, it concludes that ‘I love you’ is the perfect s~~~ test.
Depending on the man’s response, the woman can determine the man’s utility.
If he says ‘Sure, whatever’, she will be momentarily dismayed, but her lizard brain will be screaming ‘f~~~ me Alpha’
If he says ‘Oh baby Yes I love you too booboo’, she will be momentarily pleased, but her lizard brain will be screaming ‘ditch his Beta bitch’

It would conclude that, no matter what the woman says, it is not beneficial to believe her.
Love can mean many things, but it is conditional. And I would argue that men are equally incapable of loving unconditionally.
However, given hypergamy, even if the woman really means it, men benefit from not engaging in the exchange
as it is just a beautifully masked s~~~ test

Keep Swimming

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Love was something that was created out of necessity. Its kind of just like how to we need religions to define our faith in God. Every sane person would know that by now.

Love is for a blue piller, I agree to that. I do believe in love. But I would not pursue it. I have figured out that I can obtain it through other means……in other forms, rather than in the romantic men-loving-weemin form. I would never dare to say love doesn’t exist; but as any red-piller like me would know, love isn’t just limited to loving a woman. For instance, you can just love yourself and what you do. There are always some ‘branches’ of love you can ignore FOR the sake of your well-being.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[CetaceanSpectator 34]

Varun wrote:

Love was something that was created out of necessity.

I agree. Love is an obsessive infatuation (lust) or strong desire to provide and protect. These are mechanisms that drive male utility.

I think that MGTOW struggle with love because we have a higher image of what we wish it were and a grounded knowledge of its evolutionary development.
Furthermore, it is distressing to have learnt that women cannot love like men.

Varun wrote:

I would not pursue it. I have figured out that I can obtain it through other means……in other forms

I agree with you here, too. I believe men can channel their mind to be dedicated to other interests. Women on the other hand cannot do this and go their whole lives just thinking about love, which ironically they are incapable of doing. This means that they live their whole lives fantasising about male utility (a man’s love toward them).

Keep Swimming

[Jack123Participant 324]

” She’ll stroke and pet the dog for 45 minutes while watching TV. But not you.
She will pick up a dog;’s s~~~….. but your socks on the floor are a huge f~~~ing deal”

– Keymaster

The above quote should be set in stone as absolute truth for men to read all across the world.

My toxic c~~~ of an ex used to labor over her sick old flea ridden sack of dog crap. The dog could literally s~~~ on the bed and she would coo in excitement and love. I once left my socks on the floor and she abused me for a month straight.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

men love women
women love kids
kids love to play

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

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