Lost Boy, Idiot or Madman? I'm not sure who I am anymore.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

First off… I need to stop drinking.

^There you go.^ Question answered.

[Anonymous 3]

Don’t blame the Army for having a drinking problem. In fact, take the word blame right out of your vocabulary & start taking responsibility for your choices. That is another path to freedom

[OldBillParticipant]

Removed wrote:

I see a guy picking the pieces back up and doing the right thing.

I see a child who has run away to Europe again – leaving another child at the mercy of another unstable drunk – and who can’t stop drinking despite it’s central role in all the horrors he’s inflicted.

Acta non verba. Let’s see some action beyond hiding on another continent and wringing his hands.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[BlackeyeFatlipParticipant 75]

Anonymous wrote:

I am sorry this is not the welcome bro the beer is in the fridge you were looking for or thought you were entitled to.. this is the part of MGTOW where ya decide to stop being a f~~~ up, and regain sovereignty in your life.

Well I don’t feel entitled to anything here. I’ve paid no dues, literally or metaphorically. I am appreciative of the hard language and tough talk. It’s not a joke to me. I think a lot is lost in forum conversations where people tend to be standoffish. Please know that isn’t my tone. I’m here for constructive serious conversation.

I appreciate second part of what I’ve quoted from you. The “this is the part of mgtow etc…”. It’s reminiscent of my NCO’s. I broke it. I need to fix it.

[MATRIXParticipant 2352]

You have to focus on yourself YOU are the most important person in your life, so put yourself first.

You have accepted your problems and you know exactly what you did that was wrong.

Take care of yourself and get yourself fit healthy and drink free and yes it is possible whether you use the 12 steps or just do it yourself.

Once you are in a much better place you will be stronger and can deal with the rest of this s~~~ vortex.

There is NO wisdom in signing a contract with someone who benefits from breaking it.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

Oldbill,

That is a fair perspective, especially since that is the case. However, I see a person trying to find a better way. As long as a person wants to improve, I will be in their corner. It doesn’t make his actions right, but it sure as hell isn’t going to fix itself. This guy has a lot of tough days ahead, and it starts with getting past the booze.

[OldBillParticipant]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

I have a lot of guilt over it and a lot of self loathing.

Have you made any changes? Or is it simply more a “poor poor pitiful me”?

I should have added that I send monthly support home to the kids. I have since the second month I’ve been gone. So you won’t guilt me on that taxpayer line.

Wow. So responsible. Please, take a bow. I’ll even golf clap for you.

That child your sending checks to? She’s in the physical custody of an unstable drunk while you’re hiding on another continent. But a few checks absolves you of any responsibility, right?

I also should have added where I became a stinking drunk. In the US Army infantry.

Bulls~~~. You’re a drunk because you chose to be one.

I’m a Navy and National Guard vet with 25+ years service. Joined under Carter got out under Obama. Fought in both Iraq wars and Afghanistan. I served on a cruiser which drank every drop of gin on Diego Garcia in ’85. I’m not a drunk because I served.

… became a terrible alcoholic.

Bulls~~~. You’re not an alcoholic. Alcoholics go meetings. You just a worthless stinking drunk who wants the world to throw them a pity party.

You’re who and what you are because of your choices and your actions. Stop blaming others.

I’m here to ask… what do I do now?

You already know that answer. You wrote in the first sentence of your first post.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OldBillParticipant]

Removed wrote:

As long as a person wants to improve, I will be in their corner.

I’m in his corner too, Uly.

This guy has a lot of tough days ahead, and it starts with getting past the booze.

Exactly, and getting past the booze means pulling his head out of his ass.

If I have to, I’ll kick his ass long enough and hard enough for his head to pop out.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings B,

Your descriptions of your Red Pills is excellent.

Sadly, your choices and situation is too familiar.
I know other single fathers, including myself, who got zero help from anyone when we were raising our children by ourselves. It is to be expected in our Gynocentric world.

Anyway, Congratulations for finding the MGTOW Road and joining MGTOW.com

Here is some brotherly advice:

First, think about these words from a dentist which applies to your situation with raising your son:

“You either pay now, or your pay much more later.”

Second, you will be dealing with much more pain and suffering than you can possibly imagine, if you don’t stop your drinking and pussy addictions now.

Third, you must also work on you mind, heart, and soul to avoid transferring your addictions onto your son.

Finally, if you can’t do the following for yourself, then do it because of the love you feel for your son:

Go to AA meetings and immediately ask for a temporary Sponsor to help you through your crisis.
Down the road, you can have more than one Sponsor.

Work the Twelve Steps Program with your sponsor.

Go to as many AA meetings as possible.

Listen to the stories of other men whose lives were ruined as a result of drinking and f~~~ing under the influence.

Even though chasing pussy and drinking are closely related, it is a bad idea to talk about MGTOW at those meetings, especially as a newcomer.

Addicts in recovery are desperate for a “Higher Power” to help them. Alas, many of them choose to follow established religions that are hostile to MGTOWs.

Focus on being Rigorously Honest with YOUR behavior when dealing with AA.

Being manipulative and a liar is part of the disease. Everyone at those meetings are wrestling with these kinds of character defects.
But, it is best to meet face to face with other men who regularly attend those AA meetings.
Go with them for coffee afterwards.
Sign up for their study groups.
Participate in their activities.
Go on their retreats.

They are closely aware of the problems you are having, so be prepared for them to call you out on your foolishness.

A man who has years of sobriety and recovery is a treasure, you should be thankful for them.

DO NOT DATE OR BEFRIEND ANY OF THE WOMAN WHO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.

In fact, try to be celibate for a while, especially when you are in crisis mode.

Try to reach out to other single fathers who are working the Twelve Step program.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[BlackeyeFatlipParticipant 75]

To another point. Yes I f~~~ed up. I am not a “good person”. I deserve nothing and I have ruined a lot. I see my role in all of this clearly. But I am not alone. I am not the sole case. So what do we do as a society to curb this?

Case like mine and worse are rampant. It’s not something brand new historically either. But seemingly cases similar and worse are becoming more common because of what?

Oldbill, I appreciate your words. Sincerely I do. Taking the time to at least tell me off is more than most have offered. They’re not hard to hear either. I sit hear and call myself an idiot and a f~~~ up daily.

So to my earlier question… how does society solve this problem? Maury is a midday spectacular flaunting similar cases. It’s almost normal to meet people with multiple kids from multiple partners. There is a large portion of our society living and perpetuating these nightmares.

Do we round them up and sterilize them all? Not realistic. Is it just part of our culture we have to look at and accept? I’m drawing no conclusions here because I am part of the problem. I am sincerely asking, what do we do now?

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

OldBill wrote:

Uly wrote:

As long as a person wants to improve, I will be in their corner.

I’m in his corner too, Uly.

This guy has a lot of tough days ahead, and it starts with getting past the booze.

Exactly, and getting past the booze means pulling his head out of his ass.

If I have to, I’ll kick his ass long enough and hard enough for his head to pop out.

Indeed. I see that now. I mistook the firt post as a f~~~ off. You actually remind me of a navy friend that I served with in Hawaii. By all means, carry on.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

To another point. Yes I f~~~ed up. I am not a “good person”. I deserve nothing and I have ruined a lot. I see my role in all of this clearly. But I am not alone. I am not the sole case. So what do we do as a society to curb this?

Case like mine and worse are rampant. It’s not something brand new historically either. But seemingly cases similar and worse are becoming more common because of what?

Oldbill, I appreciate your words. Sincerely I do. Taking the time to at least tell me off is more than most have offered. They’re not hard to hear either. I sit hear and call myself an idiot and a f~~~ up daily.

So to my earlier question… how does society solve this problem? Maury is a midday spectacular flaunting similar cases. It’s almost normal to meet people with multiple kids from multiple partners. There is a large portion of our society living and perpetuating these nightmares.

Do we round them up and sterilize them all? Not realistic. Is it just part of our culture we have to look at and accept? I’m drawing no conclusions here because I am part of the problem. I am sincerely asking, what do we do now?

This is not a rampant thing. This is not a large part of society doing this. In fact, statistics are now showing that men are far more faithful as husbands and present as fathers than we were led to believe. As such, it is not healthy to compare yourself. You need to focus on yourself first.

In fact, it is now shown that women are far less faithful and more of a problem to the family unit, especially in our current society.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Women are a problem in our society.

The unfair government is a problem in our society.

There is not much a man can do about women and authority figures. All we can do is control ourself.

This story is an example of a boy taking on responsibility beyond his ability.

The majority of our society is reflected in his story. Children having children.

The amount of responsibility exceeded your ability from the beginning.

You were and still are a boy. Any decisions you would have made in the past would have resulted in a bad outcome. Hence, the only decisions you could make were bad decisions.

The outcome is that you have a boy and a girl. It could have been worse. You could have made more decisions.

The only good advice for you would be to stop. Take a moment. Do you want to become an adult- infant?

Do you want to become a man? If so, you can go forward and be responsible for your actions, past, present and future.

You are our brother. You have a long hard road ahead of you. It starts with your son and daughter.

Choose your life.

Peace brothers

[BlackeyeFatlipParticipant 75]

Rampant was a wrong choice of words. However from personal experience going through the family courts in California for custody of my son… the place was packed with tons cases similar. So again to the question. How does this stuff get nipped in the bud?

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

Rampant was a wrong choice of words. However from personal experience going through the family courts in California for custody of my son… the place was packed with tons cases similar. So again to the question. How does this stuff get nipped in the bud?

The reason you see that is due to the large amount of women taking advantage of a broken system and the men they sucker in. This isn’t because of men, but the sleezy low life women that especially love the laws of California, that protect the 24/7 hours of their man trap. Women are manipulaters and will stop at nothing to get attention and money. Do not confuse that with this.

To fix that, we need equal parental and custody rights for men, and to begin prosecuting these women that break those court orders and make false accusations of abuse.

[OldBillParticipant]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

So what do we do as a society to curb this?

Don’t worry about society. Worry about yourself.

I sit hear and call myself an idiot and a f~~~ up daily.

Calling yourself names doesn’t fix anything.

So to my earlier question… how does society solve this problem?

That’s not a “question”. That’s you avoiding your problems. That’s you blaming your choices and their consequences on something else.

You can’t fix society. You might – just might – be able to fix yourself.

Quit pretending there are large issues at stake here. Quit pretending that fixing society will somehow magically fix you or correct the horrors you’ve chose to inflict on others.

Focus on fixing yourself. You’re the only you can fix or control. “Worrying” about society is nothing more than an avoidance behavior on your part. You ignore your own huge problems while pretending to care about the problems of others.

You know what to do first. It’s the first thing you posted here. Do it and stop the pity party.

Edit: Let me also point out that your problems aren’t rampant in society. They only seem rampant because of the filth you choose to associate with. To you, the world seems to be nothing but the Springer or Povich shows because those people are the only people you know.

It’s akin to school kids from the projects believing the US black population is 30%, 40%, or even over 50% instead of ~12%. They only world they know is predominately black and the only world you know is the scum you socialize with, drink with, choose to impregnate, and with whom you then “raise” permanently damaged children.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. In your case, that’s an insult to dogs.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

BlackeyeFatlip wrote:

Rampant was a wrong choice of words. However from personal experience going through the family courts in California for custody of my son… the place was packed with tons cases similar. So again to the question. How does this stuff get nipped in the bud?

It gets nipped before you bring a child into this world. That is the only pro-choice a man has.

You are looking outward at the injustice that made you a victim.

You cannot control societies inequities. You can control getting drunk, having unprotected sex, getting a vasectomy.

As a group we complain about the real societal inequities. They are real. We realize what will happen if we enter the s~~~ vortex.

You, my brother, are in the s~~~ vortex. How we fix the s~~~ vortex is the least of your worries.

Your struggle is not with the outward society but rather with the internal you.

Peace brothers

[Anonymous 3]

Don’t f~~~ing worry about society at this point in your life.
START TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF!!!
Don’t you have enough to deal with right now.
You’ve taken the first step. The first step in solving a problem is recognizing a problem exists & brother you got a problem.
Know that your among men who have changed their lives.Some quickly, some slowly.
I add this for myself: I only talk about MGTOW here. I let people see my life & my conduct & when necessary I will plant a seed. This is my Way.
AA can help you if you let it. Now,GOYA.
Stick with the winners.
Stick with MGTOW

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Welcome… and get a vasectomy you idiot.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 12]

Welcome Fatlip.

That was one hell of a Trainride. More like Trainwreck.

Old Bill and May seem to throw acid your way… but it only seems that way.
They hold a mirror in your face. one tthat breaks you down even further, one that rips you apart and lays your actions bare.
While i have sympathy for your “i give up”…
Giving up is not the end of the line.

To me, you seem to be running away from your responsibilities and the consequences of your actions back on CONTUS.
Yes, as you have done today, you need to look at yourself in the mirror.

I do not have the solution, not even the beginning of the first step of how to fix your life…
But you did that on your own:

Describing who you are, what you do, where you come from and making no excuses.

I hope you never go home again, get a new ID, get of the booze and get a good proper Snip.
Time to stop this madness.

This is strong Tobacco.
Jesus … f~~~ssake…
Welcome.

You´re definitely not getting my “take a seat and have a beer” line!
There. Dunk your head in a bucket of water. That´s more like it.

Phew…

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