Looks/Appearance

[SargeslideParticipant 82]

Sir, your looks really have nothing to do with anything when it comes to women. A woman will reject you for the most inane, childish, moronic reasons, that your looks rarely get a chance to enter into the hamster motivation device. A woman once told me she didn’t like how I tied my shoes, one rejected me over the buttons on my shirt, another over how the hairs in my mustache were different colors instead of a uniform shade.

Why on earth would you put your self esteem in the hands of a creature that is so drifty, so off kilter in ways you and I cannot fathom ( and neither can they) nor decipher? Better to live your live as you see fit, enjoy the things you enjoy, make no excuses to anyone, even other men about it. Be confident and at peace with yourself, and do not tear yourself down. Answer to no one but yourself, you know you better than anyone else and you cannot lie to the man in the mirror.

I re-learned this at my own expense, I forgot it along the path life took me, once I reclaimed it I was so p~~~ed at myself for allowing myself to go against my nature, to hand over my happiness for others who, in the end did not deserve the sweat off my b~~~~. I understand where you are, and I know where you can go. Been there myself.

Most of us were programmed, I was always told by my single mother to “Be a nice boy, girls will find you”. Total bulls~~~. Women do not know what they want, much less what other women want. Be who you are and let them come to you, and they will, if that is what you want. Learn to say NO, and mean it, learn to put yourself before them, because you are never number one with them except for the very few women who are human beings, rarer than hens teeth they are. Be the man you always wanted to be, the one you respected when you were a kid. Work toward living a great life without fear of failure, loneliness, or rejection.

I have lurked here for almost two years, but this post made me join up.

Live your life as you see fit, accept no bulls~~~, you’re the one paying the bills

Not having a woman in you’re life is not a failure, and looking at your life in that singular way, when you have so many other redeeming values is unhealthy. That is one part of your life, do not deem all the other great things you have accomplished a failure because of it.

I am not anyone special, nor do I have any more insight than any other man on this board, I am just another guy who has been though the grinder.

Sarge

[mackiavelicParticipant 226]

I myself do not care about my looks. I do not see a point to care really. I am like you, sinc early age that i realized that i wouldnt be a winner in the dating scene. Girls wants the cute bad boy guys the 15 per cent out there of male considered atractive.

You have to realize that if you arent part of that group of male , your chance of finding love are close to zero!

Girls care enormously about looks for them to get into you and grow feelings they always need at first phisical atraction. And most girls in teens / early twenties are as shallow as it gets. personally i can kinda understand it even if works against me. why settle for smart if you can have a aston martin. they will strive for years to get that aston martin of a man. Some will suceed to snatch one even if temporarly others will not. At some point those who failed will get desesperate and settle with whoever as a rather secured life. And that is when they start looking at guys like you and me.

But make no mistake , they are just settling for us out of lack of better options, there is no true love for us causse there is not really an atraction. their taste for alphas hasnt changed at all and wont ever.

I realized all that fairly fast in my life. Prospects are grim. Me that dreamed of the ONE m true love , realized that  what cards god gave me would never let me win it.At best all i could hope for is a loveless Relationship were i will be used for money like an atm and as a working mule. A life like that is by far worse then our current single state, if there isnt true love its not Worth it. Most of us learn it the hard way when they take us to the cleaners wondering how they could love us so little to treat us so bad, take our children house cars, paychecks everything only cause they got bored. how could they stop loving us like that? simply cause there wasnt ever love in the first place.

After realizing all that , you really realize how its a total waste of time, having the trouble to work on yourself improve yourself so some broad will award you a loveless servile life for you?making you pay for everything she gave away for free for their past alphas?You will always get a bad deal.

So personally i do realize i wasnt atractive to be a winner in love life, so not really any point to make efforts to look and dress great for women, if you want to do so do it for yourself but keep in mind that in terms of getting love its f~~~ing useless.

Also as a MGTOW why trying so hard to get noticed? Beeing invisible and not looking atractive is key for my mgtow life. If you only cared about beeing love and not the sex then its the logical easy way to go about it. If you avoid looking atractive nicely dress etc, you wont be bothered by them, you lower the risks of them seeing you as a golden egg chicken ready to be plundered.Im 32 years old so im still too Young for this harlots to get to notice me yet since its usually at 35+. But right now if there is a way i can lower the chances that one will get a “liking” to me , you can be sure that i will do so. I think for guys like us our weakness is our too soft pain filled hearts. women can fake love as well as they fake orgasms and those heart of ours can be easely fooled. So if we stay unatractive to them we are fairly safe.

I did loved a girl tons once, a internet love of 5 years. one thing is for sure even by internet she was great at showing me what i had always thaught: how horrible is loving someone when they dont love you for real back, they dont do nothing for you; they dont care about you; there is a total lack of empathy and only egoism is displayed,in 5 years i can positively said that she never gave me one thing. Personally im kinda glad it was through internet ,if i had to take this crap irl it would have been far worse, i got my chance to experience first end the s~~~tyness of relationships for guys like myself witouth most of the backlash. ohh and the moment we were suppose to meet years after we started dating all her intention was that i would pay 2000 euros for stuff she needed, and not to see me. seeing me was just the price to pay to get that cash. I never went to meet her , needless to say.

Sorry for the rant its quite off topic ; but i just wanted to tell you what happens for those who are not blessed to be one of those alphas.

I dont expect most mgtows to walk the path im walking ; the sexless one . i had decided to save my virginity and even first kiss to the one. needless to say that i still have both of those and i m quite certain that they will never be offered to anyone cause there will be anyone for me like that. i wont settle for used up damaged goods that anyway will never be capable of loving me for real;so shouldnt any of you not blessed by atractiveness.

rant finished

anyway so far my Relationship count goes like this

i got rejected 4 times while i rejected 1 girl, all that in my teenager years, and then during my twenties already as a mgtow i rejected 1 girl, accepted 2 as internet relationships one for 6 month the other for 5 years. In a few years i will most likely have rejected a few more girls untill they defenetely leave me alone but one thing is for sure; i ll never will accept one again , irl or internet.

[Sam RavenParticipant 181]

What’s the point of applying rational logic to the behavior of a creature that has proven it does not follow said logic?

Simple Hard Truths are too simple for complicated creatures. That is why they are left falling over themselves trying to explain MGTOW.

Simple Hard Truth of MGTOW, we are f~~~ing off because you have now taken it to the level where you are using the State War Machine through politics, legislation and the order-follower cult known as police and justice system against us. And in the process expose the myth of ‘romantic love’.

Stardusk: ‘Pull the plug, just pull the plug’.

[Smoke80Participant 1]

 

I created this account to specifically to refute this entire thread.  Isn’t this entirely misunderstanding the point of “going your own way”?  I understand the premise to be, “..without regard to the opinion of the opposite sex..” — Going Your Own Way, or maybe Finding Your Own Way but whatever it is, should not be in any way dictated by the whims of women.

With that said, of course you’re not alone.  I didn’t figure out I was ugly until my 40’s.  Seriously.  All along, I’ve been ugly and didn’t really put it together until recently.  I feel guilty for even contemplating it because it’s against my entire ethos.   I’ve had a number of girlfriends, was married for 15 years, procreated, did all that crap and now divorced, looked in the mirror.  I went through the self-improvement delusion for a time and the result, “I’m ugly” and what got me through, up till then, was confidence.  I’m a Leo, if you buy that non-sense, which I don’t, for the most part, but the characterization of Leos is fairly accurate for me.

Whoever said above that it’s about confidence is totally, totally accurate.   Damn near domination but just shy of belittling.    It’s an aphrodisiac to them and I can turn it on and off like a light switch.   The general tone, if I could put it into words is, “…who are you and why are you talking to me..?”

In Fight Club, what’s-his-face says, “…we’re a generation of men raised by women..” and the result, is this notion that to be male is “bad”.  We’re oppressors.  We’re belittling to women.   We’re the villain.    I see this entire site as a product of those individuals, myself included.  Have you seen the modern sitcom?  Have you seen how men are portrayed?  As the bumbling, fumbling, dumb-ass in contrast to the calm, rational, thoughtful female who is working behind the scenes to keep things a-float.   This is the atmosphere that our younger brothers are being raised in and as older men, I think we have a duty to educate our young men in the same fashion as our young women have been educated by their predecessors and nowhere has this been done.  Nowhere is this being talked about.

…I’m way off topic and I apologize, but I’m not going to go back and edit.  The moderators can determine that, all I’m saying here is, “be your own dude” but most importantly, be confident in that dude you are.   I look like a bum, but I pull off bum so convincingly, so confident and comfortable in that identity, that it rivals even the c~~~y suit.  Don’t confuse “c~~~y” with “confident” either.  They’re not the same.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

Funny story, this one chick (an older lady) who works as a housekeeper at an oil camp I stay in came right out and told me and a buddy one day that yeah money was the number one thing women look for in a guy. Now considering every guy in camp was pulling in at least six figures a year,she was in the right place. This is why you see so many beautiful womin with average joe’s because a good looking guy with money intimidates them. They will talk themselves out of a relationship with him like Homer Simpson talks himself out of work. womin will justify this by thinking ,”He must be gay or a player” type of bulls~~~.They know that an average looking rig pig would consider him self lucky to be with her,hence the reason so many good looking chicks working in and around the oil industry.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Appearance?!

Good as it gets. Take it or leave it bitches.

Fuck this planet.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Exsliventxs wrote:

KeyMaster wrote:

You now get to remind her SHE CAME TO YOU. She approached YOU. She is hitting on YOU and you get to day “do you always hit on guys like this?”

In my dealings with women, I find the ones who are confident enough to come “flirt” with me are…

1. Easier to f~~~.

2. A better f~~~.

3. Aren’t AS afraid of rejection.

4. Easier to move along (Next day).

5. Know the score.

6. Less bulls~~~.

Of course some of these could be shot to hell the moment she opens her mouth, but generally the above points hold true.

Confident women don’t have to be 10s.

I’ve met plenty of 6 or 7s who know their looks aren’t going to get them what they want, so they go hunt. They actually have developed personalities, flavor, jokes, spice, can hold a conversation and will approach YOU. (May not be interested in what you’re saying, you may not be either but… whatever.)

If you find a 6 or 7 that will come to you, then they’re usually a REALLY GOOD F~~~.

This is where most men f~~~ up, by trying to be alpha, they hit on the matriarch hottie of the group, once rejected they’ve alienated themselves from the rest of her group. (Some girls like to pick up others “scraps”, but not usually.)

Sometimes you can land that 8 or 9… but usually the 10s have landed themselves a simp, who is showering her in his alpha cash. Poor fool. Plus they’re usually vapid, have never heard no, have men approach them constantly, and are above coming to you. Best to avoid them, not because you CAN’T but because it’s too much BULLS~~~.

It’s another idiotic and antiquated custom that we are supposed to approach women and pursue them. I agree that it’s better to let the ones that are interested make the first move and show their interest.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

It’s another idiotic and antiquated custom that we are supposed to approach women and pursue them. I agree that it’s better to let the ones that are interested make the first move and show their interest.

it’s the way it should be. Its NATURAL.

There is a breed of monkey that has a vagina that swells up like a melon and goes bright pink and other males can see it from up to a mile away. Its not a one off. The female is DESIGNED to show receptiveness to men. From playing with her hair, to doe eyes, to nipples poking and little adjustments….

But the human female is the ONLY SPECIES ON THE PLANET that is deigned to do that, and she puts on an ACT like she is totally disinterested. She could be totally hot for you, and she will TRY to look like she doesn’t give a s~~~ and doesn’t want to be approached.

I realized this a while ago that the human female is also the only species on the planet that understands that sex leads to a baby. A lioness who gets pumped under a tree one day makes NO association to her cubs (months later) from that event. Any understanding animals have of this is purely hardwiring. There is no “negotiating” in advance. Yes, they select (or allow) certain males to mate with them , but the don’t understand WHY. The lioness also doesn’t know who the father is – and the father could already be long gone not knowing how many cubs he has either.

It’s truly WILD.

But women know , and there is a conscious strategy attitude attached to it. The idea that you should SEE if she will (or not ) be receptive to you – and ASK her – is so f~~~ing dumb and totally unnatural. Even 50 years ago if a woman wanted a man, she would have to make the effort to show interest. Men are too f~~~ing busy going about their lives and concentrating on bigger and more important things – as they should be. She should literally TRIP him to get his attention. Thats the correct dynamic and that’s where accidentally dropping hankerchiefs (etc.) came from.

Today.. even when a man DOES notice – and she is into him(!) – she will WORK too look indifferent and disinterested. It’s so ass backwards.

The entire concept of “pursuing women” is totally WHACK and unnatural.
She should cross the room to talk to YOU. Especially for all the S~~~ they demand and expect.

I’m not gonna cross the room to ASK her for the opportunity to ask to see if maybe … f~~~ that. She will let you know. That’s her natural role. And if she doesn’t who cares. That’s a mans’ natural role.

I heard a MGTOW once say: “If she doesn’t look at you and go “yum” she doesn’t exist”.
I absolutely believe and recommend that as very sensible.
Because if you’re not her priority, you’re only an option.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

I realized this a while ago that the human female is also the only species on the planet that understands that sex leads to a baby.

There’s more to it than just that, though.  Humans are also the only species on the planet where childrearing takes years and years of dedicated effort on the part of two parents.  Every other large mammal grows up in just a year or two, but turning an infant into a fully qualified human being takes the better part of two decades.  It takes a LOT of resources to do that.  More resources than a “strong independent” woman will ever be able to provide herself.  So more than any other species on the planet, human females need to pursue men, and to a greater extent than human males need to pursue women.  Every female has a womb, but not every male is productive.

[experiencedParticipant]

Sidecar wrote, “Every female has a womb…”   By never exiting the carousel, many have… a womb with a view, ask Ba ba Wawa, she’ll tell you it’s twue.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[AfraidofdyingaloneParticipant 21]

I feel the same way I even said it on my first thread here.

I can be the most confident male on earth and get turned

down.  My conclusion is confidence only seems to work

for the jerks, assholes and douche bags. But if your average,

below average or ugly no amount of Confidence is gonna help

Unless your rich.

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Afraidofdyingalone:

 

To get a woman, $$$ is all you need, even if you could scare Godzilla with your looks.  It’s just a question of how much it’s going to cost.

 

[AfraidofdyingaloneParticipant 21]

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Afraidofdyingalone: To get a woman, $$$ is all you need, even if you could scare Godzilla with your looks. It’s just a question of how much it’s going to cost.

I agree 110% I’ve seen some ugly dudes and most have hot or attractive women  because

of wealth.

[ironheartParticipant 942]

Sam Fisher – Once you transcend the need for female approval, and don’t give half a f~~~ about anything, and be your absolute best version of yourself – you feel way better every morning, and some chicks start coming to you. Don’t bother with the ones that either don’t approach you, expect you to approach them, or get offended by your existence.

If finding a female partner is your goal, then assume you are the prey and she the hunter. Find a woman who is not hunting, and may find a friend. But make no assumptions. Women have no ethics, and are taught to abandon them with no consequences. Find a woman with ideals, and then test her to make sure she has ethics that do not condemn you.

If looking for a friend, realize they can be educated, but do not fall for their deluded logic. A deluded person is not a friend, even on the best days. Women are taught they are superior to men, and have to be in order to be successful. You cannot trust women who seek to be a man. You can only trust a woman with limits, and only if she can show you respect for all things – not just for women.

If revenge is your goal, simply be more Human then she is. Women hate when you are, because they sub-consciously know they act like total douches.

If happiness is your goal, simply realize you are only as good a person as you choose to be. Women only drag you down. They do not build you up. Only your choices make you better. All else is either luck or timing. Women are lost as human beings. Our generation is lost as people. It now falls to men to save the world. Leading by example and re-education is the only solution to that.

This means be happy, have friends, avoid revenge unless it teaches a life lesson.

Your life is more important to the universe when you follow these rules.

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Cap285 wrote:

Appearance?!

(jeans)

(Blackhawks jersey)

Good as it gets. Take it or leave it bitches.

I am the same way, but with this thing:

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

 

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