Looks/Appearance

[Jon92Participant 16]

My last reply just brought some emotions up that has bothered me for a long time. I just have to get it off my chest. I grew up in a normal family environment, two married parents and none of the bulls~~~ that a lot of people had to deal with growing up. I was taught to have very high self esteem. That being said, I never thought I was a bad looking or ugly guy. But i have to tell you, I feel like one. This is why…Ive never had very much success with women. I exercise, workout, eat a clean diet. Im not a body builder but Im in good shape. Anyway, 99.99 percent of the time when I would approach a women they act immediately disinterested. Some look at me like its a joke I’m even talking to her. From these experiences Im almost afraid to even talk to women anymore. This goes back to Middle school. I just conclude that Im not an attractive guy. Anyone else on here feel that way? Similar experience?

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Jon92 you haven’t just straight up asked a woman you knew and told her to give it to you straight with no sugar coating?

You want to shore up areas of your entirety that may need a little man-tenance, then just bug a female friend.

I have lots of those, they’re usually ugly, but the plus side is, they talk like actual human beings and can be REASONED with…

I can’t stay friends with hot women because I eventually f~~~ them or they f~~~ me.

 

1. I know I’m attractive, girls call me cute.

2. I’ve also been told I’m getting a little chubby.

3. I see it for what it is, ordered an exercise machine last week, just got here today. You just have to amplify your strengths, minimize your weaknesses.

4. ACCEPT your weaknesses, then make it your strength.

5. Now you have no weaknesses and are bruising the back of chicks throats. The end.

[Jon92Participant 16]

I used to ask girls that question when I was like 16-17 and I didn’t like the answers most of the time. LOL. I haven’t really asked since then. I like the points that you make.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Women don’t care as much about looks than attitude.  Self confidence, a positive mindset and social assertiveness gets you further than looking good.  A good dose of not giving half a f~~~ works wonders.  You gotta be assertive, to the point of pushy and inappropriately c~~~y, in the end I doubt it weighs up as worth it.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

AFT wrote:

A good dose of not giving half a f~~~ works wonders.  You gotta be assertive, to the point of pushy and inappropriately c~~~y, in the end I doubt it weighs up as worth it.

This was what I was leading him into, via this..

Exsliventxs wrote:

4. ACCEPT your weaknesses, then make it your strength.

5. Now you have no weaknesses and are bruising the back of chicks throats. The end.

…  I could have just been super blunt like you, that works too… kinda like it my way though….   LOL

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

There are videos of something called Dating in the dark where u can’t even see each other till the lights go on and the wait staff wear night vision.Look and see how many women are soo into these guys till the lights go on.I don’t believe it for a minute that women aren’t just as vain about looks as we are.It’s another gynocentric and blue pill lie that says that women aren’t about looks and status.I know when I’m in shape n got a good hair cut n dress nice I get a lot more attention from women right off the street and everywhere .

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[DoinMyOwnThing40Participant 1000]

I feel exactly the same way as you do. I always thrived on having a very good appearance. I always stayed fit. I am only happy and confident about myself when I am very fit. Not unbelievably fit like a ripped up bodybuilder, but fit enough. When my physique gets out of shape I am depressed and lack any confidence. Some people don’t mind being a little bit overweight. I can’t handle it, it makes me very depressed. So I make sure to stay fit. It ain’t easy but I do it because if I didn’t do it I would feel awful about myself. Even if I gain just 5 pounds I get very upset about it.

It’s too bad though. I wish I could be happy as a fat guy. For real, what’s the point in looking good if it ain’t gonna get ya laid by hot chicks on a regular basis.

I know that I am attractive, but  it does me little to no good. Except that it makes me feel good about myself. It doesn’t get me laid though. I obviously don’t have game or whatever.

Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Women love muscles and a good face and well kept hair .And status.Once you have their attention they like if you flirt back with them in a confident manner.But to think or say anything ugly dude with lots of c charm is going to pull chicks left and right is a lie.PUA Neil Strauss got plastic surgery. Why???? If game is sooo powerful did he have to do that,???

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Exsliventxs wrote:

… I could have just been super blunt like you, that works too… kinda like it my way though…. LOL

I know I’m too straight forward most of the time, but I really didn’t get the same message from your post, regardless of how I tried to interpret it, that’s ok though, the message probably got through one way or the other.

MgtowWave wrote:

I don’t believe it for a minute that women aren’t just as vain about looks as we are.It’s another gynocentric and blue pill lie that says that women aren’t about looks and status.

I really believe women look for different things, like status, power, confidence, wisdom and experience.  But I’ll reassess and keep my eyes open, perhaps you do have a valid point, I may need to incorporate a broader view.

MgtowWave wrote:

I know when I’m in shape n got a good hair cut n dress nice I get a lot more attention from women right off the street and everywhere .

Could also be a result of feeling better, and greater confidence at those times, besides I’m not saying a more attractive, appealing man isn’t going to get more attention initially, but a man isn’t going to close pussy with good looks alone.  It’s his confidence and attitude.

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

I know that I am attractive, but it does me little to no good. Except that it makes me feel good about myself. It doesn’t get me laid though. I obviously don’t have game or whatever.

Yep that’s the confidence and attitude = GAME.  But if you have to put in a special effort to manufacture it, you have to ask, is it worth it?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[a bananaParticipant 288]

@aft i think you’re approaching it wrong man, as much as i hate PUA’s they got it right

Alpha f~~~s, Beta bucks

looks and size(muscles) matter if u want to f~~~ her fast(STR)- basically in such a situation she is assessing your genetics to see if you are fit for mating(sub-concious i believe)

with the money status power stuff, thats for after when she wants to settle

bottom line is yes they care about looks if its their c~~~ carousel period, ofcourse charisma and confidence are also very important- basically you have to act alpha, idk bout you but it seems like alot of work to me but hey, your life bro, good luck

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Running into c~~~y women with overinflated egos isn’t uncommon. You just have to keep at it. Remember they are the gatekeepers to the pussy and aren’t going to make it easy on most guys to get past the gate.

Though not really MGTOW, you may get some good advice from the PUA community, even if it’s just becoming more confident. Combine MGTOW common sense with some PUA strategy and you may be more succesful. Just remember she doesn’t even remotely have access to your wallet, especially if she’s not giving it up. Don’t invest money in attempts to pick up women as the success rate, even for the seasoned PUA’s is nowhere near 100% (most lie about their level of success so they can sell their s~~~ty books).

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

MGTOW strategy, PUA tactics. I’ve found this to be particularly useful.

Keep in mind that the better part of the PUA community aren’t realized PUAs, they’re just sexually frustrated guys who want to be alphas and get alpha-level pussy, but they’re still just learning. Mystery’s s~~~ is mostly horrendous. He may have tactics down but brass tacks- he’s a malignant narcissist whose entire universe revolves around manipulating women into validating his need for attention.

Most of us can relate to feeling a need for female companionship at some point. Some of us have allowed this to become painful and destructive. I know it’s what led me to MGTOW. The final step in growing into your own true masculinity: stop pretending that you don’t give a f~~~ and actually stop giving a f~~~. All the indoctrination you’ve ever had about your worth as a man being measured by the beauty of the woman you’re with is complete and utter bulls~~~. I don’t know why and nor do I care, but truly stopping the f~~~-giving is like catnip to sluts.

Don’t improve your life to impress anyone. Improve your life because it FEELS F~~~ING AWESOME.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I think this is a western feminist problem. Women wanted to be independent (of men). So they could ride the c~~~ carusel. So you need to project the image of women looking to trade up. As Tom Lykis says, you don’t have to be rich, she just has to think you are.

Look at TV. Copy to a T what hot guys on TV are wearing. Don’t pay attention to women, they see you as a doll to create, your attractiveness to other females is irrelivant at best, causes jealousy at worst.

If you can afford it, lease a nice car like 350.00 a month for a mercedes. With your new look, don’t forget a trendy hair cut only from the trendy part of town.

Now you look at least capable of following trends and have some money. It doesn’t matter what you look like, just make up a profession (doctor is good).

The relationship may not last long…lucky guy.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

This whole thread is kinda missing the point of MGTOW.

[a bananaParticipant 288]

A MGTOW doesnt have to abstain from sex and females, so if someone needs advice on such matters we should offer it, from a perspective of MGTOW which will most likely make it more enjoyable and safe, sex is something we should discuss as often as necessary as most men have deep urges to f~~~, male mother need on the other hand is something all mgtow’s should and most have removed from their lives.

EDIT: i should add that now i reread the OP, it does seem there is some male mother need so i see what you mean @ smacktalk73

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@smacktalk73

No it’s right on topic. Because their is a huge misconception that “MGTOW are all just a bunch of” short, broke, bald , fat, losers with no options and tiny dicks. And disadvantaged guys beat themselves up for no reason. He actually used the term “not successful with women”… but if he realized when he is successful at anything ELSE, “success with women” comes automatically – and his next biggest problem will be getting RID of them all.

@jon92

I’m not a bad looking guy – in fact, still, to this day, people tell me I look like a famous movie star. They have been telling me this since I was 17. And I am 6’2″ tall. It doesn’t make a rat f~~~ bit of difference. Looks don’t f~~~ing matter. Well yes, they do, but tall good looking guys are not as blessed as you might think. In fact, it can work against you. Add brains, and if you’re a smart guy then you’re REALLY handicapped. Don’t for a minute think not being tall (or classically handsome) is a curse.

One day I was out for a walk and a female owner was walking her dog. He was heading straight for me, slowly walking, tired, a little old maybe, almost like a beaten dog. I didn’t move out of the way or anything – and neither did he – ….and when we met, I smiled, looked down at him and was rather amused because he just stopped at my feet. I leaned down to pet him and his owner (about 10 paces behind) shouted “OH OH!”

I said “what do you mean OH OH?? Is there a problem?”

Oh he usually doesn’t respond to tall intimidating men.

Fascinating.

In that moment, I realized women don’t either. It absolutely explained why women shy away too. They often act like I have the cooties on my face. I tell you, if there was no such thing as a mirror, I would think I looked like Shrek. Women DELIBERATELY avoid eye contact – and any contact!! – if I were at all insecure about it, I would feel exactly like you.

Only If I engage first, start the conversation, or open an interaction are they friendly back. Otherwise, in elevators, in passing and every day situations, strange women absolutely almost run away from me… and will even whip out their smartphones to “look busy” and avoid contact. It’s remarkable.

(This is mostly in Americanized countries, it’s different in other parts of the world, I have noticed.)

I would recommend you stop using the term “success with women”. There is no such thing.
Not having “success with women” is not any kind of failure.

When you think about it… what is the best that will ever happen to you if you had “success with women”???

A simple sex act and a possible pregnancy – or STD.

Big f~~~ing deal.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

All about confidence, women can smell that s~~~, be loud, be proud, be manly in your favourite way.

I play the real world, like a f~~~ing comedy sketch at times, it works, even when it feels surreal and crazy. I have scored plenty of times, just going into character too, the importance is always, the confidence part.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Yes . Funny goes a long way. As long as you don’t make a clown out of yourself.
If you’re a clown, she may laugh…. but she won’t f~~~ you.

EverybodyLovesRaymond gets laughed at too, but he’s not getting a BJ tonight.

That’s why MGTOW should all stop giving a s~~~.
Because women think sarcasm is hilarious.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Jon92 wrote:

I would approach a women

That’s where you’re making your mistake.  As long as you approach them you are satisfying their need for attention with no effort on their part.  Don’t give them attention.  Don’t give women anything.  If they want your attention they need to earn it.

Instead of approaching women, wait for them to approach you.  They will.  Women can’t tolerate the idea that a man might be completely disinterested in them, so they are all but compelled to do something about it when it happens.  Continue being disinterested.

[GrefParticipant 203]

Keymaster wrote:

Because their is a huge misconception that “MGTOW are all just a bunch of” short, broke, bald , fat, losers with no options and tiny dicks. .

LOL I love crushing that stereotype. I do 2 hour workouts 4 times a week in the gym and I’m ripped. I’m still in college but I’ll be making good money in my future career. I look forward to shooting down all the c~~~s trying to lock me down as they get closer to the wall.

Keymaster wrote:

It (being tall) absolutely explained why women shy away too… Women DELIBERATELY avoid eye contact – and any contact!! – if I were at all insecure about it, I would feel exactly like you. Only If I engage first, start the conversation, or open an interaction are they friendly back. Otherwise, in elevators, in passing and every day situations, strange women absolutely almost run away from me… and will even whip out their smartphones to “look busy” and avoid contact. It’s remarkable. (This is mostly in Americanized countries, it’s different in other parts of the world, I have noticed.)

It has nothing to do with your height at 6’2″ man. I’m 5’10” and women act the exact same way with me. Trying to make eye contact and get any kind of smile is impossible. But when I approach and open them up they are usually pretty friendly. They act this way because they are scared. Girls are super nervous about how they present themselves to guys they’re attracted to.

 

 

 

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