Is it the guns or the way we treat men and boys?

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Im’ not buying the mental illness part. It’s too convenient to label someone that. Women who stay in abusive relationships and seek violent criminals to copulate with, but they live among us like they are sane? They are turned on by these guys after the crime.

[NeoSe7enParticipant 112]

I’ve always agreed with Master Gunnery Sergeant Hartman from ‘Full Metal Jacket’. “It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill.

You can give a law abiding, tax paying citizen ANY type of firearm. They are not going to go nuts and blast the local McDonald’s. This is not a weapon problem, this is a mental health problem. As much as the press and worthless politicians try to convince us that a gun is going to walk in our house and kill us at any second, it just isn’t true. Americans need firearms more than ever—armed police officers being targeted by oxygen thieves, over reaching government institutions, foreign and domestic terrorist threats, etc. If the proverbial fecal matter hits the oscillating device (natural disaster, race riots, terrorist attack, etc), who’s going to be more comfortable. The prepared, armed man that knows it’s his duty to protect his life, or the schlub that is going to dial 911..?

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

NeoSe7en wrote:

If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill.

“I like you. You can come over to my house and f*&k my sister.”

/so many awesome lines in that movie

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[DrAK74Participant 77]

Time to weigh in….As you can see from my handle, I am a heavy proponent of firearms ownership. Speaking to this tragedy, there seems to be a common thread…..the absolute sense of hopelessness these young men experience. I have read that this newest shooter wrote a mini-manifesto complaining that he had no chance of obtaining a job, a woman, and all of the things that would make him “normal” in the eyes of society. The gun is merely the tool used to achieve the ends, not the prime motivator of slaughter. Remember that kid in California who echoed the same sentiments…..he used a car to carry out his killing spree, not a gun. Does the gun make it easier, yes, but it is the diseased brain behind the gun that pulls the trigger.
By ignoring these people and not getting help for them when problems are noticed (and they were noticed, by all accounts). Most people don’t want to wade in and confront somebody who is in crisis for fear of being ridiculed or berated for being nosy (I lost a friend because I saw he was in crisis and pointed it out to him). So we have to get over our fear of noticing and reporting problems before they come to this. If we don’t we risk more of these. Further, we have to allow our boys to speak about their feelings and emotional states. For fear of looking weak to the women, they bottle it up and think they are being manly….nothing could be farther from the truth.

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