Is it the guns or the way we treat men and boys?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I can’t help thinking that it’s ‘good news’ for the media. It makes them money and they can draw it out …. almost until the next one.

On top of that, when you stop giving a s~~~ about a group ….. you can expect the same back.

When it’s easier and cheaper to medicate than treat….. when what do you expect?

When you #killallmen what do you think the answer will be from some of them?

When you show them day after day they are worthless ….. why the shock when they punch out ….. taking the perceived ‘them’ as well.

Take the guns away and they’ll find cars, fuel tankers, bombs…… aircraft.

Until these issuse are redressed …… and they won’t ….. expect more.

It’s a good century for news media profits.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

ILiveAgain wrote:

I can’t help thinking that it’s ‘good news’ for the media. It makes them money and they can draw it out …. almost until the next one.

The media actively encourages this s~~~. Their glorifying of these f~~~holes is what encourages the next one.

When some newsanchor spokeshole asks :”What can we do to prevent these tragedies?” there is only one answer: you tell him he can shut the f~~~ up.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/#axzz3nU8gBMFt

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 3]

sidecar wrote:

And that “arms race” false assumption of yours rests on the false Call of Duty video game based belief that “bigger and better” is always possible or always concealable.
Guns are tools, and like all tools there are specific guns for specific purposes, and limitations are built in to those specific purposes. Yes a bigger “better” hunting rifle is more powerful than all but the most ridiculously overbuilt handguns, but it’s singularly ill suited for concealment and all but useless in a close quarters situation putting it at a massive tactical advantage against small, concealable sidearms in a mass shooting scenario.
And that’s besides the point, because the single most important factor in a gunfight has always been training and skill, not weaponry. Given the choice between some spray and pray would be mass murderer schmuck with any firearm you could name and a small, unidentified number of competent citizens with concealed sidearms, my money will be on the armed citizens every single time.

Poor wording on my part. Specific guns for specific purposes, I agree. And training is the most important advantage in a gunfight. My point is, there are many weapons that work and counter guns without exposing oneself in a gunfight scenario. Things like grenades and bombs, outranging your opponents, alternative weapons etc. It would be foolish to expect criminals to bring a knife to a knifefight, or a gun to a gunfight. They will seek an edge over their enemies as much as possible.

And I agree that legal guns will help stop some spray and prayers, provided that these people remain spray and prayers. But, as I’ve said, when you change the climate of the environment, the subjects within will react. They would most likely commit murders through other means to bypass the gun defensive barrier, which a number of them already do. Guns or no guns, they are approaching it from the wrong angle and only trying to treat the symptoms of a bigger problem.

My point is that, it’s not a gun issue. It’s about preventing these people from snapping in the first place. If people wouldn’t snap, you can arm everybody with nuclear missiles and the place would still be safe, unless one of the missiles malfunctions and explodes. D:

[Anonymous 29]

http://time.com/3631350/men-are-idiots-new-study-says/

It would be interesting to know how this analysis was done.
Who the so called researchers were.
What real purpose it served apart from the obvious.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Things like grenades

Grenades? Seriously? Well then that only shows the futility of “gun control” because such things are already extremely “controlled”.

It would be foolish to expect criminals to bring a knife to a knifefight, or a gun to a gunfight. They will seek an edge over their enemies as much as possible.

Except criminals, by and large, are not that clever. But they are generally cautious, at least the smarter ones, or they don’t las long as criminals.

There’s one thing that citizens have in a “gun control” free society have that criminals will never be able to counter, and that’s the factor of the unknown. This is why when criminals of the thinking sort find themselves within an armed populace they modify their tactics… to non-confrontational methods. They don’t up their arsenals, they change their methods. They choose softer targets. Again, this is why mass shootings happen at “gun free” schools and churches instead of gun shows. Why else do you think that home invasion is the preferred method of home robbery in places with strong “gun control”? It’s because the criminals want to make certain any house alarms are turned off so they rob the place while the homeowners are there. In places unencumbered by idiotic “gun control” criminals vastly prefer burglary to home invasion. If there’s even a tiny risk that they, themselves might get shot they try to make damn certain the homeowner is NOT there during the robbery.

You can spin out whatever silly hollywood / video game inspired fantasy you like about criminal masterminds building up advanced arsenals, but the plain, simple truth the that whenever “gun control” is enacted, violent crime goes up, and whenever it is rescinded, violent crime goes down. This is an empirical fact, not some hypothetical speculation. It’s what happens.

Now as to these asshole mass murderers, I’ve already said what motivates them, and it isn’t going to be prevented by “gun control”.

[Edd CampbellParticipant 76]

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

[Anonymous 3]

sidecar wrote:

Except criminals, by and large, are not that clever. But they are generally cautious, at least the smarter ones, or they don’t las long as criminals.
There’s one thing that citizens have in a “gun control” free society have that criminals will never be able to counter, and that’s the factor of the unknown. This is why when criminals of the thinking sort find themselves within an armed populace they modify their tactics… to non-confrontational methods. They don’t up their arsenals, they change their methods. They choose softer targets. Again, this is why mass shootings happen at “gun free” schools and churches instead of gun shows. Why else do you think that home invasion is the preferred method of home robbery in places with strong “gun control”? It’s because the criminals want to make certain any house alarms are turned off so they rob the place while the homeowners are there. In places unencumbered by idiotic “gun control” criminals vastly prefer burglary to home invasion. If there’s even a tiny risk that they, themselves might get shot they try to make damn certain the homeowner is NOT there during the robbery.
You can spin out whatever silly hollywood / video game inspired fantasy you like about criminal masterminds building up advanced arsenals, but the plain, simple truth the that whenever “gun control” is enacted, violent crime goes up, and whenever it is rescinded, violent crime goes down. This is an empirical fact, not some hypothetical speculation. It’s what happens.
Now as to these asshole mass murderers, I’ve already said what motivates them, and it isn’t going to be prevented by “gun control”.

I agree with everything you said on gun control.

I never said I was for it, don’t know why you make it sound like I do.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

92% of all mass shootings happened in gun free zones, I think that should be the focus here, any one knows that people who want to kill as many, would want no one shooting back, and the government obviously don’t want their citizens to be able to fight against complete authority.

Also the lack of talk on anti depression medicine is alarming, over half of the shooters were on medications, which are known to have a chance for homicidal thoughts to occur, albeit “low”, although I wouldn’t call 1/400 chance as low, when millions of people are on them.

[FrankOneParticipant 1425]

I think the way we treat people plays a role. But I should clarify that. We need to put SOME people back in mental institutions. They can’t function in society.

I would also argue this isn’t a serious national problem in the US. Why?

1.) With 150 killed per year (that’s being generous) in a nation of 320 MM, you have an incidence of 0.05 deaths per 100,000 people. Contrast that with driving. 11.6 fatalities per 100,000 in the US. So I’m about 250 times less likely to be killed in one of these mass shootings than I am driving my car.

2.) I value our right to bear arms and protect ourselves from criminals, and the Criminal State, more than the saved lives that MIGHT result if we had a totalitarian State where an SS man searched my home for guns every month. Also, there wasn’t a decrease even when we HAD the federal ‘assault’ weapons ban in place. Finally, it is easy to make pipe bombs and other means of killing people. Anyone can rent a u-haul and run over many people in an open-air gathering. So much for Gun Free Drug Free Freedom Free Zones? Think of the damage that could be wrought with an armored vehicle.
3.) If you include robberies and assaults and gang violence, and use the FBI’s definition of mass shooting, there isn’t even a discernable uptick in the last 30 years: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/17/graph-of-the-day-perhaps-mass-shootings-arent-becoming-more-common/

Also, typical perps don’t ‘snap’ — they plan it out: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-forensic-files/201404/seven-myths-mass-murder

[Cap285Participant 6007]

It’s not the guns.

I’m going to buy more.

Fuck this planet.

[Anonymous 11]

Keymaster wrote:

I hear that term now and I don’t even blink.

I was going to respond yesterday, but our attack script flying mangina monkeys interfered.

Sadly, I don’t even blink either. This issue runs way deeper than sound bite analysis. There have always been “homicidal maniacs” Ed Gein, for example, who was obviously seriously disturbed.

I think we’ve all hit on a lot of salient points. Instant fame via the media, SSRI class drugs, anti-male societal bias, narcissism is celebrated, lack of respect for human life, desensitization towards violence via the various forms of media, the single mom epidemic, and general selfishness are among many factors. I sometimes wonder if some of these mass shootings are psyops as the seize all the guns drums start beating immediately.

I’ve also noticed that people, in general, just cannot accept things as they are. Their worldview stops at the outer layers of their skin. My Father continually told me as a child “Boy, the World does not rotate around your ass!” It’d probably get CPS on his case now for ruining my self-esteem, but he was f~~~ing spot on right. People raised by the older generations did not go on shooting sprees. Maybe, we’ve created just too many special snowflakes.

The inane excuses these killers cite as justification for their rampages have been experienced by every member of this site. Yet, we have no desire to commit homicide. Society is truly broken in so many ways.

[DilbertParticipant 281]

More and more when I think through all these societal ills for root explanations, the rise of feminism and it’s effect on just about everything is the common factor.

I wasn’t aware of the meds/SSRI connection but it makes sense. Once you get on those things sudden changes in dose (up or down) play incredible havoc with your sense of reality.

I would bet that most of these gunmen (ever notice they never say gunperson?) were medicated in some part to deal with the hot steaming pile that feminism dumped in their lap. Unique outworkings but common root source.

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

[HammerdownParticipant 528]

Someone on one of the military pages I’m on said this and I couldn’t agree with him more.

As my buddy (and fellow Veteran) Tristan Kerbo puts it wonderfully:
“Does anyone care why shootings are happening? Does anyone wonder why there are no female mass shooters? Why is it always a socially awkward male age 16-30? Well you need to wonder. You need to wake the f~~~ up and focus on who is killing rather than how. Every young man is filled with an incredible amount of potential energy. With no guidance or outlet it can quickly build into an unbearable pressure. Young men are growing up into a world that no longer has any particular use for that male energy. No longer the hunter, the warrior, or even the provider. Young men are growing up into a world in which they have no job, no purpose, and a surplus of biological urges. Disenfranchised young men turn to the cold impersonal internet in search of purpose. There they find validation from other lost young men who encourage each other to spiral out of control. If you are a man you need to go out of your way to show young men that we have a purpose. We are protectors. We are the backbone of the family. We are builders. We are men that live in a world that we can reach out and touch. We can destroy but take pride in self sacrifice, self restraint and self master. We are strong. We can walk alone or carry our loved ones with us. We fail and we try again. We are rejected and we learn. We get our ass kicked and still maintain our belief in what is right. Have that conversation. Be that man.”

[Darth CovfefeParticipant 62]

Oh there was another shooting?

I’m hungry for ice cream.

The only reason women have so much privilege is because 20 million years ago they forgot how to lay eggs.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Obama, and his pro-gun control ilk, have the exact same modus operandi as a psychological abuser: they foster unearned guilt in order to get what they want. Obama is trying to make peaceful, law-abiding gun-owners feel like they did something wrong, in order to push his own agenda.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[FrankOneParticipant 1425]

Actually, people raised by the older generation DID go on killing sprees. And school massacres DID occur in previous generations. The worst school mass murder in US History was in Bath Township, Michigan, accomplished almost entirely with explosives in 1927. It killed 38 children and 6 adults. And gun laws wouldn’t have prevented it. People don’t need guns to kill people. A large truck can roll over dozens or hundreds in an open gathering such as a street fair.

Caring about people and reaching out to them as friends, might prevent some of these disasters. As might a voluntary reduction in media coverage after events. I’d love to see a letter-writing campaign asking the mass media to NEVER put these stories on front pages. But some of them will just happen and are part of the cost of freedom.

[Darth CovfefeParticipant 62]

Yeah how quickly they forget about Al Capone and the prohibition era. Adam Lanza is an amateur compared to those guys.

The only reason women have so much privilege is because 20 million years ago they forgot how to lay eggs.

[heads-upParticipant 320]

Anonymous wrote:

One can easily kill more people by driving a car at high speed through a crowded constrained area than one ever could hope to do with guns. A homicidal maniac is going to kill with whatever tool said maniac has at hand.

Exactly,just like the pilot that downed the plane in france this year killing everybody.
While people feel drama over the “nature” of a mass shooting,they dont give a second thought to how many veterans kill themselves every day,
or how many men kill themselves over being screwed by the “system”.
While screaming for gun control to save a relative few they show no effort to save all these men which is quiet doable.Hypocrasy

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

The NY Times, the biggest left wing newspaper of record has decided it’s MGTOW that is the central characteristic that all killers share.

Mass Murderers Fit Profile, as Do Many Others Who Don’t Kill

Those who study these types of mass murderers have found that they are almost always male, most are single, separated or divorced. The majority are white. With the exception of student shooters at high schools or lower schools, they are usually older than the typical murderer, often in their 30s or 40s.

They vary in ideology. They generally have bought their guns legally. Many had evidence of mental illness, particularly those who carried out random mass killings. But others did not, and most people with mental illness are not violent.

“They’re depressed,” Dr. Fox said. “They’re not out of touch with reality. They don’t hear voices. They don’t think the people they’re shooting are gopher

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/mass-murderers-fit-profile-as-do-many-others-who-dont-kill.html?ref=topics&_r=0

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

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