Is EVERYBODY over 40 miserable?

[Anonymous 11]

Learning to not give a f~~~ has increased my happiness by multiple orders of magnitude.

[FreedomParticipant 295]

About these forums being “corrupt…”

You misunderstand. Men find themselves in a world where they instinctively desire women, are socially programmed to derive their self-worth from their attractiveness to women, and are mocked if they are without a woman. But if they attach to a woman, they discover the bait-and-switch; they do not receive the promised bliss, and instead find themselves drained of their resources and treated like s~~~.

One cannot grow up in such a world without emotional stress. So, being human, we need support to cope. Part of how we support each other here is by directly challenging the bulls~~~ that makes us suffer needlessly.

We recognize that our value comes from ourselves, and we remind each other of that and cheer each other on for victories on that front. We recognize that relationships with women are not as advertised, and remind each other of that, and support each other in that knowledge. We recognize that the mockery single men must endure is emotional manipulation aimed at making US take actions that serve THEM to OUR OWN DETRIMENT, and so we remind each other of that and support each other in that.

Some of us need to vent our red pill rage. This is the place. That doesn’t make us corrupt. It makes us into the support that our brothers need in a real world with real problems.

About me….over 40 and doing great!

I always had trouble attracting women. Had to work at acquiring social skills. That helped, but the women I got were…well…exactly as a MGTOW would expect them to be. Now that I have seen through the bulls~~~, I am happier than I have ever been (and, thanks to “being a loser that never got married,” I have money. And it’s awesome.).

If that’s not good enough for you, that’s fine. Consider yourself invited to go your own way.

It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

[DanceMyOwnWayParticipant 2097]

I think life improves for men in their 40s. I’m 41. This business of getting laid and female validation. Their validation is WORTHLESS. Getting laid isn’t an achievement. Getting a woman to act like a decent, respectable human being = more of a challenge!

If you fall down 7 times, get up 8

[Anonymous 1]

DanceMyOwnWay wrote:

Getting a woman to act like a decent, respectable human being = more of a challenge!

[MarathonManParticipant 77]

Interesting tangent this thread went off on!

I guess the observation that struck me was not so much that over 40’s guys are miserable (although it does seem that amongst the ranks of the married, misery is quite common) – but that actually the women are too!

I don’t see this as an a powerful illustration of how women are all screwing men over (although undoubtedly some are) – or that men are all screwing women over (although undoubtedly some are). More a case that the whole model of ‘nuclear family’ based on the marital unit just doesn’t seem to be working particularly well for anyone any more.

I don’t know what the solution for society as a whole is. But for me it is definitely a restrengthening of the concept of just looking after #1. I’ll do whats right for me and hopefully not hurt too many others in the process. What I will not do any more is take responsibility for anyone else’s happiness or security.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

MarathonMan wrote:

but that actually the women are too!

https://www.instagram.com/miserable_men/

MarathonMan wrote:

but that actually the women are too!

When is a woman NOT miserable?

She’s miserable even when she “happily married” and her husband still greets her ungrateful aging as with a a SMILE in the morning.

MarathonMan wrote:

More a case that the whole model of ‘nuclear family’ based on the marital unit just doesn’t seem to be working particularly well for anyone any more.

The tradcon relationship is basically broken down and deconstructed as no more than a business and bottom line for women here.

MarathonMan wrote:

I don’t know what the solution for society as a whole is

Men have saved western society through two world wars already. They have learned an adapted and probably give less of a f~~~ about rebuilding a solution for society – “as a hole”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Man, 41 now. After my divorce started when I was 36 it’s been a rough few years. But now back in school, working, traveling when I can. Seeing my boys when I can. Things are finally looking up. And I do appreciate this place where I can interact with like minded gentlemen.

After losing my previous job in a deep depression and leaving the city I formerly lived in and cutting contact with many people; I am curious how many of my former co-workers and friends about the same age are doing.

KM, I hadn’t heard that BarBar video before. Man. Good break down.

But marriage is dying. It’s in it’s death throes.

The next 30-50 years will be interesting. The advancement of artificial wombs and sex robots/VR porn are game changers. I think society will have to accept that marriage is dead before we can move on. Once we do perhaps we can look into a new type of relationship. Which may go something like this.

Man and woman express interest in having children together based on the factors they both bring to the table.
A new form of legal contract will be entered.
Both will be obligated to pay half of average cost of raising the child.
They need not cohabitate, in this scenario they need not be a traditional couple. The man need not emotionally invest in the woman. Simply a partnership.

Now for this to work there would have to be reform of the social welfare system to quite supporting single mothers at taxpayer expense. So who knows. But one thing I am sure of, this century will see major changes in male female interactions.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I’m 50 and no, not miserable. But if I was miserable, because I am single I would have way more ability to change that than if I were married. If I were married, “we” would be miserable, “I” would probably be blamed for it, I would be expected to rectify the misery and produce happiness for “us”, and “I” would be punished severely if I failed.

If you are miserable at any age, but still single, you have a much better chance of changing that than if you are married. As a single man, I can make and execute ANY decision I need to in order to change my situation and end my misery. If I am married and miserable, that list of options for changing my situation is much shorter. Someone else gets a vote on any decision I make. Usually, she get’s the veto power if I married her.

As for being a loser vs getting laid: every woman who will have sex with me expects a price for it. For some, it’s just straight up money. For others, it’s status they get when bragging to their girlfriends. For others, it’s reassurance that they haven’t hit the wall. For many, they freely admit they trade sex for love. But whatever the case, there is always a price.

If I pay the price, I can get laid every day. But if I pay that price every day and get laid every day, how the hell do I brag about that? It’s like paying my electric bill and then coming in here and bragging on all the electricity I got when I turned the light switch. I didn’t ‘get’ all that sex. I just bought it.

Electricity from the power company is worth the asking price. Sex from women is not. Not for me. Not anymore.

Now that I have decided I’m not paying women the asking price anymore, am I a loser because I’m not getting laid anymore? Or am I a winner because I now have all that time and money and effort and energy back to spend on me?

Here’s my question to everyone here: suppose you could somehow get back all at one time all the money you ever spent trying to get laid? Dinners, drinks, entertainment tickets, flowers, drugs, phone bills, jewelry, gas, cologne, dry cleaning, hair spray, breath mints, alimony, spousal support, legal fees, gym fees, internet dating fees, marriage counseling fees… etc etc etc. ALL OF IT! If you could have all that money back, and somehow be a virgin again, would you take it?

I don’t brag about sex with women (that I paid for every time), but if I had all that money back in my pocket, I’d probably be bragging about that. And as for you guys in here who are virgins… I envy you for figuring it out BEFORE you spent all the money I spent. Go ahead and brag about all the time, energy and money you now spend on yourselves…

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