Is EVERYBODY over 40 miserable?

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Dybbuk wrote:

Sometimes this forum feels only a small half-step removed from PUA forums. On PUA forums, guys brag about getting laid. Here, guys talk about how women flirt with them or come on to them, but of course we turn up our noses at those women. In both places there’s the impression that men are seeking status among other men based on their ability to attract women. It just doesn’t seem very MGTOW to me.

Is there an example of a participant on this forum who admits that he’s lousy at attracting women, without excusing it by saying “but I don’t want them anyway”, and that guy is still popular and well-respected here? If the answer is “no”, then I propose that the culture here is dangerously corrupted (given the tenets of MGTOW).

Fuck this planet.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Dybbuk wrote:

If the answer is “no”, then …. antithesis of MGTOW

Dybbuk wrote:

If the answer is “yes” …. falling short of the ideal.

So either way we’re assholes.

Doesn’t matter what the answer is, you will have a problem NO MATTER WHAT!

Well I’m certainly glad we figured that out.
Have a pleasant evening.

( I’ve dumped better s~~~-testers than that )

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[xenonParticipant 2007]

As I am taking a bit of offence at this whole post I am going to step in and take one for the team.

I have never been able to “get” laid. Never. I am not even sure I have much tried to pick girls up with very minor exceptions with the eventual disastrous results. It helps to be smart enough to be repulsed by dumb ass banter and repugnant behavior. Long ago I came to realize that if there was any other man within striking distance I was going home alone. So there you go dude.

That being said, I have let them pick me up when I find them cute enough and when they don’t have a black hole where their brain belongs. Married twice, both hot. I am not. A dozen lives ins and frequent visitor types, no more thank you. I am really lousy at casual sex, duh, to me sex isn’t casual. Causal maybe, but that is for another discussion. Like “casual sex and female promiscuity have a causal relationship with male depression and suicide”.

I am short and historically have had terrible teeth. I am not muscle bound and I am intellectual. All genetic and nothing to be done. Go ahead and try picking up females with that set of traits. To top me off I have no tattoos. Ha. It has saved me untold thousands of dollars that would have been wasted. At least two females, both at least attractive enough for me to f~~~ are currently trying for cash and prizes. Not gonna happen. Black hole where the brain goes.

So please feel free to f~~~ off if that doesn’t do it for you. If you would like to call me a loser you are more than welcome to take that shot. Women try it all the time to my echoing laughter on the way away from them. I will tell you about my financial situation and the amount of free time I have to do what I wish with. And that you may still f~~~ off.

[OldBillParticipant]

Dybbuk wrote:

… the culture I’ve seen emerging on this forum is falling way short of the ideal

Whose ideal is that?

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Dybbuk wrote:

Keymaster wrote:

Are we really expected to be repugnant ogres? Else the forums are “corrupt”?
Because that’s what everyone ELSE thinks MGTOW are: “losers who can’t get laid”.

Then I am happy to disappoint. What if they CAN get laid, but just don’t want to?
Why is that so hard for others to accept?

The phrase “losers who can’t get laid” demonstrates the problem. Is there such a thing as a guy who can’t get laid, who isn’t a loser?

If the answer is “no”, then we are still stuck in the mindset of deriving our self-worth from women. It should be obvious that this is antithetical to MGTOW.

If the answer is “yes”, then I’m simply making the point that the culture I’ve seen emerging on this forum is falling way short of the ideal. If some guy came along and confessed “I can’t get laid…women won’t give me the time of day” (not in his youth, not in the distant past, but NOW) and got just as much respect and attention as anyone else…then I would be proven wrong.

There might be a few guys that look at things the way you mention, but i have to say i’ve clearly stated on this forum many times that i’m technically a virgin at age 29, and my current avatar is the flag of ‘Asexual’ … yet most of the guys on here show me quite a bit of respect.

If you read the introductions section of the forum, you’ll see i’m not alone, there are more virgins in their 20’s and 30’s joining this forum, and the rate will only increase, as with each generation of boys, stats show they are becoming less interested in getting laid.

Keep in mind every MGTOW is an individual, and as people, we have many variables, and i think you’ll find the spectrum of guys widening within MGTOW, at least i’ve seen it very recently.

[Anonymous 42]

The day I folded my table and walked away from women and whatever they actually are was the day I felt a surge of real power kick in, like someone or something floored the engine of my life for the first time and popped the clutch! Within 3 to 5 years I was banging through all the gears of my life like Mario Andretti! I could see corners coming that otherwise I did not see.

Women had made my happiness an emotional dumping ground (each and everyone one of them I was ever with for more than 2 weeks, TOPS!)

I don’t do heroin.

I don’t expose myself to toxic waste.

I don’t intentionally hurt myself over and over hoping for different results.

I don’t ruin my health, happiness, and well being with the tainted companionship of a modern woman. It’s a very simple equation, 2+2=whore.

Never get married! (I didn’t!)

Never cohabit! (I didn’t)

Never get emotionally invested! (I did and lived to regret it EVERY TIME).

All I can say is women combined with the awesome power of corrupted law with altered attitudes of ingratitude leave men with no other viable path than MGTOW. Anything else is self flogging!

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

this is MGTOW, not the “hold frame bro club”.

Nice one Math. Always nice to start the day with a shot of coffee through my nose.

[Anonymous 1]

Dybbuk wrote:

Is there an example of a participant on this forum who admits that he’s lousy at attracting women, without excusing it by saying “but I don’t want them anyway”, and that guy is still popular and well-respected here? If the answer is “no”, then I propose that the culture here is dangerously corrupted (given the tenets of MGTOW).

Spend some time reading introductions. Also check out this link to another post. A PUA invaded the thread and started Virgin shaming MGTOW. Look at how MGTOW responded. I think you are way off base with your claim that MGTOW is evenly remotely similar to PUA.

/forums/topic/a-message-to-the-mgtow-monks/

[perpedes66Participant 259]

No. I´m not miserable, but I have to make new adjustments every day. Between 35 and 45 I have to fight all the misery around me, esp. energy robbers. Now I have made my peace with all the BS in this world. My new focus – nature, sports, music and less nerve-racking people around me.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Women can make you miserable . If you let them .

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[xenonParticipant 2007]

I take one thing back. Something could have been done with my teeth. I did spend thousands on dental work over the years to have most of them removed anyways. I would go for implants but I just don’t care that much. I had an upper denture that I never could learn to eat with but the real kicker was not being able to enunciate.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Wow, what a thread. I’ll chime in.

I’m an average looking guy that’s tall. So I suppose that helps me with women. I like to say I’m no Turner: Not going to turn many heads, hopefully not going to turn many stomachs. I certainly don’t beat women off of me with a stick. But I’m okay enough looking to get women with personality. It takes effort. And eventually I came to the conclusion that almost all women’s time and attention aren’t worth the effort. I do have female friends and I enjoy their company in small doses, but I don’t want a girlfriend. And once you come to that conclusion, being a guy is great because you get to decide that you aren’t playing the game.

THAT is the best thing about being a guy. An attractive woman is going to get hit on whether she wants it or not. It’s way easier to opt out if you are a man because women typically don’t make the first move. And if you aren’t Chad Thunderc~~~, they almost never make the first move.

And in my 50’s, it’s freaking awesome! If you take care of your body and are fortunate enough to not have any ailments you can still do almost anything you want to do. I did give up playing competitive basketball because I’ve beat the crap out of my knees and back for long enough, but that’s about it. And now without a nagging wife, I can do what I want when I want. It really is a great time in your life, one I intend to enjoy to the fullest.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 7]

I’m 42, just escaped my second prison camp not eight months ago, and haven’t even seen a naked woman in over two years. I’m quite good looking, and make a good living. Get hit on all the time. I have a lot of man toys to play with.

I have never had a problem attracting the she devils, but I was a dumbass with them. Total pussy, and a pushover.

Those toys, the power I hold… I’m just now getting to enjoy them!

I envy those virgins people slight. I envy those who picked up on the signals I missed. You lucky f~~~ers. You have all kinds of opportunities ahead, and no female to obstruct you.

Yeah, I’m in my 40s with nfg. I’m just now starting to pick up pace. These are my good years starting. I’m not miserable at all, and in fact, just the opposite.

Whether you are “top dog” or struggling with your station in life (physically, emotionally, financially, other), know this place is a refuge for you. We don’t discriminate based on your ability to pull some pussy.

Those that want to shame or otherwise crush any man’s manhood because of his ability to control his emotions/lust can f~~~ right off.

Others posted more directly, and are so very on point with their message that we should be able to stay on the main topic of “… 40 miserable?”

Best quote in the thread should be restated: “… this is MGTOW, not the ‘hold frame bro club’.”

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

The ability to get pussy or not has nothing at all to do with MGTOW or this forum.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

To answer your question: Yes – 99.999% married men over 40 are miserable as F~~~. I was miserable in my 30’s, but hadn’t taken the red pill yet. I was numb and miserable and was still under the programming of modern society that I was a meal ticket and sperm donor and this was my lot in life.

Regarding the other direction this thread has taken – bragging about bagging chics, etc. If a guy in his 40’s 50’s 60’s stays in good shape, has a good job and isn’t a total f~~~ up – he can get laid by chics above his SV. But who cares – its not worth the liability involved. The market is saturated with bitches who hit the wall, thought the grass was greener and now they will spread em’ for ya b/c they kicked good men to the curb.

[EndOfDatesParticipant 51]

I’m 37, found out about mgtow 3 years ago. My life is pretty damn good, and set to be f~~~ing amazing by 40. I suppose this question is more, ‘Is everyone ELSE over 40 miserable?”, cause mgtow have none of the problems described by those tunas.

[Dirtydog73Participant 232]

Morning all, just here reading while finishing my 12 hour night shift .Interesting discussion here.

Men have been getting laid and bragging about it ,talking about it with their friends throughout the ages. MGTOW , in the real sense of what is here , where it is shared among a group of people who dont judge , dont hate , just support , with the rest made up of various responses ,agreeable or not , is not that old in any real terms of global discussion.

Men will continue to do this.
It is ingrained into our beings. The conquest and the end results , no harm , no foul.We read and make up our own minds on whether someone is humble bragging , or sharing some experiences.
If people out there find happiness in sharing on this forum , so be it .

I am coming up to one year in from a messy separation .Lots of lurking , reading , some sharing etc, but still making up my own mind .Things still to sort out.
Am I looking for happiness from others stories .No , I dont think so .Am i miserable? . No , I am 44 , good job , great sons , not interested in chasing pussy , doing my own thing.If others want to share on here ,so be it ,does it affect my happiness ? no.

With the question at hand , over 40 and miserable , my belief is that if you spend your life doing the same thing over and over again , and expect a different result , are you insane? , or giving away your own happiness which results in misery.

Fed, Fucked, Appreciated. The three simple things men want, but women will never grasp.

[Anonymous 5]

I’m 23, and even tho I’m not miserable, I’m not the happiest person alive either.

I’m trying to put my life in order during my 20’s, so that in my 30’s I can travel, buy nice cars, property, and whatnot.

[ReclaimerParticipant 40]

I thought hard and realised that I don’t know many singles who are over 40 and miserable. The only singles that are sad are those that believe their happiness is tied to another person.

That used to be me.

So many years wasted thinking that. Glad I discovered MGTOW before it was too late.

On the other side, I can easily think of married people over 40 who are miserable. Won’t be long before their misery leads to arguments, then divorce, then financial and emotional hell.

It’s so clear to me now!

I am now 40 and believe the best years of my life are ahead.
My investment plan is going well. My fitness routine is getting me in shape. I have oodles of free time.

Are we losers? Hell no.
I say that marriage is for losers.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Only if they fall under the following:
Paying alimony
Paying child support
Married
Drowning in debt
Shall I go on?

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