Is being a hermit the end result for MGTOW?

[trader1913Participant 1577]

It is one of many end results of MGTOW…that is the beauty of MGTOW, you can forge your own path in life.

Don’t feel forced to become a hermit, and don’t feel forced to fit in. One of my trading mentors is in his 50s, we have a beer and talk a few times a year. He’s a very good friend who will always give me words of wisdom. I go to the movies once a month with my sisters, they are women but because I am family they treat me with respect. I have friends from my hobbies who i talk to every week.

The point of all the above is that i do these things because they make me happy. Do what makes you happy, if its being a hermit then thats fine.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I don’t let women bother me that much. They’re like little kids. Interacting with females in a bar for example is pretty much like interacting with my friends 8 year old daughter. Its entertaining in small doses and once I go home I don’t have to listen to them anymore. Works for me.

If you want to be a hermit that is cool…but no need for anyone to feel pressured into it.

[IceBankMiceElfParticipant 124]

I think this is a great question and I’ve had a similar feeling more than once. I’ve actually wondered if being MGTOW was making my life more miserable and how I would get over the hump. I cut my cable Nov 16, I have less patience for people, I’m more of a smart-ass, I’ve lost the drive for some things I used to enjoy, and I’m looking and hearing everything different than what I used to.

I can’t see me giving totally up on women because I do like pussy, but keeping them at a distance is where I’m at. Trying to navigate the waters without being a complete asshole and not being a SIMP is where I’m at.

The advice given here on how to handle myself and not give up entirely on things sounds good. For those who go monk or hermit…great for them!

[AutoliteParticipant]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

I ask this question because I’ve watched a number of topics, and I see guys who say they don’t go to the movies anymore, they don’t watch tv, they don’t go to bars and clubs, they’ve given up social media, they’ve restricted their financial aspirations to just what they need so they don’t feed the socialist system

This is EXACTLY what I, and another MGTOW friend of mine, are doing.
I don’t watch TV
I don’t go to bars
I don’t club
I don’t use Facebook

Same here. But that’s a lifestyle that I’m most comfortable with. I’m naturally a ‘hermit’. It’s just how I’m wired…

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I’m hoping it’s a temporary state, but I see how some might get stuck in it forever.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 3]

Awakened wrote:

I think you have to take life as it comes, there’s highs and lows. That’s just the way it IS.

Keymaster wrote:

He just needs to “not pursue” and the result is the same.

I am a urban hermit, that does not mean I do not go out on occasion, in fact I am out now in a public library so I can use their computer. The 0 in johnny zero means I do not pursue, i seldom watch TV, I stay with a few good friends, but keep silent about MGTOW unless I see them suffering as a result of a relationship, i keep to myself, i consider myself exceptionally lucky to have pulled out of the downward spiral I was born into , i will tell my story when necessary, I dont drink, i dont smoke, i dont gamble. mgtow is the goldmine i was waiting to discover. O Sum game I dont play ( period ). I pursue my own ends. lastly I would like to say I have not met as yet any woman who has even the rudiments of morality a man has. Frankly, even sex got tiring, i mean they expect a little talk afterwards. one my friends says ” hand me my Newports & get the remote ” I feel the same way except I dont smoke,but watching TV is better ( sometimes ) than the inane nonsense that I hear come out of their lips. Just last night ( and this is a tru statement ) a woman said can we talk for a minute. My answer was ” no I dont want to b bothered ” and the journey continues on MY TERMS. It took a long time to get from there to here,but THank God I got here.

[Joey CusackParticipant 1044]

My ex-gf said that I’ll probably end up like this guy one day.
At least he has no woman nagging him and has probably outlived most married guys at 80 years old.

[OldBillParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

I’m left wondering if the end result or maybe the end result for me is just to be a hermit.

Seeing as every man’s MGTOW journey is by definition an individual one, your specific MGTOW journey could very well include becoming solitary or, as you call it, a “hermit”. However, your journey does not have to include that if you don’t want it to do so.

Becoming a hermit is neither a preordained result nor a mandatory requirement of following the MGTOW path.

I’ve been a MGTOW for decades. I’ve been a MGTOW for far longer then I knew such a term existed. I’m also in no way a hermit.

I enjoy live theater, live music, and live sporting events. I like art exhibits, museums, hiking, camping, and canoeing. I take a number of magazines via tablet. I’m a voracious reader. I’ll meet friends for a couple of drinks or a meal. I’m also much invited dinner party guest.

What you didn’t see on that partial list of my activities is “hanging out”. When I’m out and about, I’m doing something. There’s none of this brain-dead, passive, “hanging out” millennials somehow believe constitutes a social activity or, even worse, a date. I don’t visit someone just to squat in front of the TV and I don’t go somewhere only to do nothing.

My social activities have both intent and purpose. They suit and fill the needs I have. Because of that, I can do them either alone or in company.

For example, if the mood strikes, I’m going to see the Fisher Cats play this afternoon at Havelock Field. Anyone is welcome to come along, but I’m going to the game whether anyone else wants to or not.

Television is another good example. While I agree with Stealthy and the others about “killing your TV”, to my mind that means killing your TV habit. Far too many of us flip on the boob tube and then mindlessly squat in front of it, flipping channels, and watching nothing for no other reason than we can’t be bothered to do anything else.

I’ve a TV, a small HD flat screen which is even hooked up to basic cable because it’s included in my rent. My TV is rarely on however. Last night I decided to watch the Red Sox play (and lose to) the Astros rather than listen to it on the radio as I normally do. When I went to use it, the remote’s batteries were dead. That’s how long it had been since I’d used the damn thing. Thinking back, I’d last had the TV on for a Live at the Met repeat broadcast in April.

The point I’m trying to make in all of this is that being a man going your own way doesn’t necessarily mean you’re anti-social or a hermit.

If you wish, you can be social on your own terms. I know that because I am.

Be well, brother. As you follow your own path, take care not to discard any options you don’t absolutely have to.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

I don’t think you have to become a hermit.

You don’t have to hate women; and after the redpill rage passes most of us don’t. I know I don’t. I hate behaviours that are very common with women; exasperated by western society.

I think it’s about setting firm and inflexible boundaries based off of your own morals, goals and motivations. Firm boundaries I have are:
No marriage, no cohabitation, no children.

I will not jump through hoops for sex, affection or companionship. Second they bring needless and unfounded baggage to my door they are dropped. The second that I smell manipulation they are gone. End result is that this pattern plays out by about month 6.

Otherwise, I try to follow a pattern of living similar to OldBill.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Quite the opposite.
If you plan to spend your life being single then you have to network in order to have a safety net: after the divorce I hitted much more on politics. That is a TRUE safety net, because if I would lost my job I would have plenty people offering me another job – the overwhelming majority of such jobs would be paid significantly less than the job I actually have, but dropping from 100% to 60%-70% income is MUCH better than dropping to 0%. I wouldn’t spend a single f~~~ing day not having a job.
Marriage contract, on the other hand, is a FAKE safety net: it’s a safety net just only as long as your wife don’t become bored. When it happen, you’re alone, without support, and required to support her.

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[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Eyeswideopen wrote:

I don’t think you have to become a hermit.

You don’t have to hate women; and after the redpill rage passes most of us don’t. I know I don’t. I hate behaviours that are very common with women; exasperated by western society.

Hypergamy is natural, and it’s good in the wild.
Our female ancestors couldn’t survive without support of good providers. It was their biological duty to let an illed provider, and get a better one, in order to save the kids.
A female cat let the illed cubs to die, she doesn’t feed the illed cub anymore. It would be detrimental to the other cubs.
A female spider and a female praying mantis: both eat the male after the copulation.

We’re just like those few male spiders and male praying mantis who doesn’t end in the bell of the female. Some doesn’t copulate, some make pregnant the giant whore but then manage to run away from her.

Personally I got 4 kids from 3 women, I did take the virginity of 6, had just only a marriage contract and just only a divorce, lost just only about a third of my stuff.
I’m satisfied, it’s enough.
Like him

Main difference – VERY important difference – is that I saved me all alone, it wasn’t scientists saving me 😀

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[Anonymous 3]

We aren’t animals. There’s a reason why the world is dominated by Judeo-Christian principles, and Islam follows behind and is swelling up.

The humans that behaved purely in animalistic fashion died to these more reasoned humans who practiced things like monogamy and patriarchy.

Truth is human beings are far too weak to have survived just because women behaved hypergamously, it made no difference how hypergamous a woman is if there was no food, shelter, or protection from the wild. Almost everything out there can kill any unarmed human. Humans can’t survive the elements, and have trouble surviving on unprocessed drinking water and uncooked food. The animals you are comparing to don’t need any of those things.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Anonymous wrote:

We aren’t animals. There’s a reason why the world is dominated by Judeo-Christian principles, and Islam follows behind and is swelling up.

The humans that behaved purely in animalistic fashion died to these more reasoned humans who practiced things like monogamy and patriarchy.

Truth is human beings are far too weak to have survived just because women behaved hypergamously, it made no difference how hypergamous a woman is if there was no food, shelter, or protection from the wild. Almost everything out there can kill any unarmed human. Humans can’t survive the elements, and have trouble surviving on unprocessed drinking water and uncooked food. The animals you are comparing to don’t need any of those things.

It’s a complex mix of many different factors.
In example women having the same libido as men and by so being unable to manipulate men through sex would probably have resulted in civilization progressing much slower and much higher death rate for children.
Even now men are much less willing to sign a marriage contract with a woman who had a lot of sexual partners: can you imagine what would happened in a society without pro-marriage propaganda and with women literally f~~~ing every man hitting on them? Who would support a pregnant woman in such situation, why should he support her? Would men produce much surplus to impress women showing that they’re good providers? No, because women would f~~~ every man hitting on them, no need to impress them, no need to be a good provider.
There’s even a chance that human intelligence was at least partially developed due sexual pressure, after all, this insignificant bird

created that

just only using her pussy power

Do you think that male peac~~~s would be different from female peac~~~s if they could f~~~ the hens everytime they want?

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[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

I would probably be hermit/monk without MGTOW, but red pill/MGTOW certainly makes it easier.

Unfortunately my life has had me struggle and bust my ass for every break I ever got. I was never in a situation where I could feel comfortable and safe, and I had to deal with a lot of s~~~ and s~~~ty people.
Just never got to re-charge or be nurtured by another person, even in my marriage it was all take and no give from her.
I never had a person want to truly help me in my life. It was always based on what role they perceived I could do or provide for them.
If I ever let down my guard as a man for even an instant, others would see me as weak and move in to take what they thought they could get away with taking from me.

Women would be disgusted at any sign of weakness or pain, and of course most men just see it as a chance to be dominant etc.

I just had enough and finally had enough financial security to live stoically after my divorce and retirement.

[BrujahParticipant 579]

I don’t think so. It’s entirely up to you. I’m a loner by nature so hermitdom is in store for me but I don’t see why any other man cannot still continue to be with the friends and family he loves while having MGTOW philosophy as his gudiding life principle.

[MACHOParticipant]

I would never live as a hermit, but for some yes I believe it probably leads to something close to that lifestyle!

Cool new avatar IRuleMe 🙂

IRuleMe wrote:

Now I find myself not even wanting to go out. So as one domino after another starts to drop, and as others on here do more and more to “ghost”; much as I am working to do – I’m left wondering if the end result or maybe the end result for me is just to be a hermit.

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Anonymous 3]

The end result will b what you want it to b.
I live alone by choice. I choose peace, solitude, serenity & meditation. I come & go as I please & when I get home it is my sanctuary against what I perceive as a very sick society that is teetering on the edge of dissimulation. We are on the eve of destruction as the old song said. However, having said that I will do my best to maintain the cardinal virtues when I am in the world & among other men
My choices are the result of a combination of destiny & free will. Here I stand. I hope you find your own way & can b happy. I have found mine I hope you find yours

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Self preservation is what I’m gunning for. The whole hermit thing is entirely up to the individual man.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

OldBill wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

I’m left wondering if the end result or maybe the end result for me is just to be a hermit.

Seeing as every man’s MGTOW journey is by definition an individual one, your specific MGTOW journey could very well include becoming solitary or, as you call it, a “hermit”. However, your journey does not have to include that if you don’t want it to do so.

Becoming a hermit is neither a preordained result nor a mandatory requirement of following the MGTOW path.

I’ve been a MGTOW for decades. I’ve been a MGTOW for far longer then I knew such a term existed. I’m also in no way a hermit.

I enjoy live theater, live music, and live sporting events. I like art exhibits, museums, hiking, camping, and canoeing. I take a number of magazines via tablet. I’m a voracious reader. I’ll meet friends for a couple of drinks or a meal. I’m also much invited dinner party guest.

What you didn’t see on that partial list of my activities is “hanging out”. When I’m out and about, I’m doing something. There’s none of this brain-dead, passive, “hanging out” millennials somehow believe constitutes a social activity or, even worse, a date. I don’t visit someone just to squat in front of the TV and I don’t go somewhere only to do nothing.

My social activities have both intent and purpose. They suit and fill the needs I have. Because of that, I can do them either alone or in company.

For example, if the mood strikes, I’m going to see the Fisher Cats play this afternoon at Havelock Field. Anyone is welcome to come along, but I’m going to the game whether anyone else wants to or not.

Television is another good example. While I agree with Stealthy and the others about “killing your TV”, to my mind that means killing your TV habit. Far too many of us flip on the boob tube and then mindlessly squat in front of it, flipping channels, and watching nothing for no other reason than we can’t be bothered to do anything else.

I’ve a TV, a small HD flat screen which is even hooked up to basic cable because it’s included in my rent. My TV is rarely on however. Last night I decided to watch the Red Sox play (and lose to) the Astros rather than listen to it on the radio as I normally do. When I went to use it, the remote’s batteries were dead. That’s how long it had been since I’d used the damn thing. Thinking back, I’d last had the TV on for a Live at the Met repeat broadcast in April.

The point I’m trying to make in all of this is that being a man going your own way doesn’t necessarily mean you’re anti-social or a hermit.

If you wish, you can be social on your own terms. I know that because I am.

Be well, brother. As you follow your own path, take care not to discard any options you don’t absolutely have to.

Always sage-ful advice Bill. See, this is why I like this place. You don’t get this kind of philosophical thinking all that much out and about with people. Too much empty conversation about the weather or politics, or sports..

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I would probably be hermit/monk without MGTOW, but red pill/MGTOW certainly makes it easier.

Unfortunately my life has had me struggle and bust my ass for every break I ever got. I was never in a situation where I could feel comfortable and safe, and I had to deal with a lot of s~~~ and s~~~ty people.
Just never got to re-charge or be nurtured by another person, even in my marriage it was all take and no give from her.
I never had a person want to truly help me in my life. It was always based on what role they perceived I could do or provide for them.
If I ever let down my guard as a man for even an instant, others would see me as weak and move in to take what they thought they could get away with taking from me.

Women would be disgusted at any sign of weakness or pain, and of course most men just see it as a chance to be dominant etc.

I just had enough and finally had enough financial security to live stoically after my divorce and retirement.

Most definitely feels like 2 steps forward, 4 steps back with life sometimes. I know how that feels. Sometimes the sun shines, and it feels great. Othertimes it doesn’t seem to ever stop raining.

Brujah wrote:

I don’t think so. It’s entirely up to you. I’m a loner by nature so hermitdom is in store for me but I don’t see why any other man cannot still continue to be with the friends and family he loves while having MGTOW philosophy as his gudiding life principle.

That’s why I asked the question. To get insight from others.

Anonymous wrote:

The end result will b what you want it to b.
I live alone by choice. I choose peace, solitude, serenity & meditation. I come & go as I please & when I get home it is my sanctuary against what I perceive as a very sick society that is teetering on the edge of dissimulation. We are on the eve of destruction as the old song said. However, having said that I will do my best to maintain the cardinal virtues when I am in the world & among other men
My choices are the result of a combination of destiny & free will. Here I stand. I hope you find your own way & can b happy. I have found mine I hope you find yours

Much respect sir. I’ve always been a loner myself, and so for me, I think the road is probably going to end up leading to hermitdome, but that’s okay. I come from large families on both sides, so there’s no need or desire other than for pure ego of my parents to continue to the line.

Zuberi Tau wrote:

Self preservation is what I’m gunning for. The whole hermit thing is entirely up to the individual man.

I got my popcorn stocked up. I’m just kicking back, ready to watch the world burn. LOL

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