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I ask this question because I’ve watched a number of topics, and I see guys who say they don’t go to the movies anymore, they don’t watch tv, they don’t go to bars and clubs, they’ve given up social media, they’ve restricted their financial aspirations to just what they need so they don’t feed the socialist system… I’m at the point myself where I’m ready to walk away from social media. I’m already to the point where I have no use for women (much like many guys here).
I have zero tolerance for their bulls~~~, the games they play, and their constant attempts to strong arm and control. I don’t care enough about their tuna vaginas to pander to what they want. But as society evolves, and things continue, the men and their games and bulls~~~ continue to drive me to cutting them off as well.
I remembered the thread where it was asked if any of us had any MGTOW friends. For me I just broke off with a friend who claimed to be MGTOW but kept acting like a simp. Well, I just got tired of his games, and after he threatened to delete me on facebook, I saved him the hassle and did it myself. So while I post here, and there’s good people here, I wouldn’t say by any stretch that I have any MGTOW friends.
But the more I get around guys, the less I really want to be around them in general either. People are getting on my nerves. As George Carlin would say “I can stand em for about… a minute, minute and half. Then I gotta get the fk outta there!” I used to love karaoke. I love to sing. I’m good at it. Now I find myself not even wanting to go out. So as one domino after another starts to drop, and as others on here do more and more to “ghost”; much as I am working to do – I’m left wondering if the end result or maybe the end result for me is just to be a hermit.
I ask this question because I’ve watched a number of topics, and I see guys who say they don’t go to the movies anymore, they don’t watch tv, they don’t go to bars and clubs, they’ve given up social media, they’ve restricted their financial aspirations to just what they need so they don’t feed the socialist system
This is EXACTLY what I, and another MGTOW friend of mine, are doing.
I don’t watch TV
I don’t go to bars (I don’t drink)
I don’t club
I don’t use FacebookI use to be a Mining Engineer and quit this profession to return to my childhood passion in Electronics Engineering. I am not worried about looking for a “good” job in the Electronics Engineering industry. Something small is more than enough, just to; eat healthy food, live modestly, relax with my MGTOW friend and pursue more Electronics Engineering.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
The part about zero tolerance for bulls~~~ ( from women ) gets a huge nod, but draw the line somewhere with “negatives” you look out for. Let’s use one point as an example. . .
I don’t try to not go out with / socialize with women.
I leave it up to THEM to make me WANT to go out with them.
See the difference?
One attitude is “locking yourself in”.
The other attitude is leaving it free and wide open.I leave it up to women to BE INTERESTING.
Instead of focussing on why I am not interest-ED.Now it’s up to them – and the effort they make. If they don’t make any effort, that’s not MY problem, I have nothing to question about myself, and I am not placing some negative barrier or limit there. It’s like “going monk”. No MGTOW needs to make an effort to “go monk” because women don’t usually make aggressive moves or initiate. He just needs to “not pursue” and the result is the same.
the end result for me is just to be a hermit.
Same with going out (or staying in) alone. I’ll drop what I am doing to go out and have a good time with someone else if they make an effort to be fun and pleasant to be around.
Rather than questioning and determining what you don’t what to do. Ask yourself what you DO want to do, and everything naturally falls into place. Perhaps that means you stay in 4 nights this week, and next week you go out 5 nights in a row.
Sometimes I will just decide to go for a drive, burn gas and listen to music. Even at 2AM. I quite enjoy that. Along the way, I once met Katie Perry’s body guard and a 5 minute conversation about his motorbike turned into a very interesting conversation lasting 4 hours. I couldn’t plan that if I tried!
Just concern yourself with what you DO wanna do.
And don’t concern yourself with what you DON’T want to do.Of course, throw it away if you don’t see value in it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I leave it up to women to BE INTERESTING.
I think i understand where you are coming from KM. It’s like being in the present moment and just observing. NOT making a reason to NOT pursue women because of negative qualities. It makes complete sense because trying to dig out all the negative qualities of a woman requires energy. In my opinion this is a waste of energy and one’s whole “value” system to go their own way (MGTOW) becomes conditional.
Example, what if women’s behaviour changed and they all became unicorns, hypothetically speaking? Does this mean I will jump fence and head back to the plantation? In this scenario I will not change my value system and will remain a MGTOW unconditionally. The external world can change, women’s behaviour and the legal system, but I will remain as the observer, watching things unfolding and being in the present.
It’s like a surfer riding a wave…you can chose to BE THE SURFER or be the observer of the surfer. If you are the surfer, you will deal with the highs and lows. If you are the observer, you will see things for that they truly are.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
In my opinion this is a waste of energy.
Yes I continually have to keep that in check myself. “Wasting energy” on someone who’s just not worth concerning yourself with is something a friend of mine points out that I still do. Like a random driver who didn’t signal. I tend to allow that s~~~ to bother me. In other words, “caring” still a little too much.
This happened tonight too. Some f~~~er made a U-turn and nearly side-swiped me. I flipped him the bird with my arm out the window. Part of me wanted to shout “HEY F~~~ER OPEN YOUR EYES” and play road chicken, but instead I pulled over and just let him pass until he was long gone ahead of me. Not “wasting energy” on someone who just doesn’t matter.
NOT making a reason to NOT pursue women because of negative qualities.
Right.
It works!
…. without some self-generated dark cloud hanging over you.
It also obliterates the idea that “you have a problem with / hate / mistrust / dislike women”. No I don’t. Because I leave it 100% up to her to give me something to LIKE. If she is not willing to make that effort, then she should probably STFU.
It’s very freeing to leave being interesting & likable all up to HER. Now how it goes isn’t up to you anymore. When you leave it up to them to be interesting, it’s shocking how uninterested you can be.
Did I used to FABRICATE nearly all of my interest in them?
It’s a damn good question.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.The part about zero tolerance for bulls~~~ ( from women ) gets a huge nod, but draw the line somewhere with “negatives” you look out for. Let’s use one point as an example. . .
I don’t try to not go out with / socialize with women.
I leave it up to THEM to make me WANT to go out with them.
See the difference?
One attitude is “locking yourself in”.
The other attitude is leaving it free and wide open.I leave it up to women to BE INTERESTING.
Instead of focussing on why I am not interest-ED.Now it’s up to them – and the effort they make. If they don’t make any effort, that’s not MY problem, I have nothing to question about myself, and I am not placing some negative barrier or limit there. It’s like “going monk”. No MGTOW needs to make an effort to “go monk” because women don’t usually make aggressive moves or initiate. He just needs to “not pursue” and the result is the same.
the end result for me is just to be a hermit.
Same with going out (or staying in) alone. I’ll drop what I am doing to go out and have a good time with someone else if they make an effort to be fun and pleasant to be around.
Rather than questioning and determining what you don’t what to do. Ask yourself what you DO want to do, and everything naturally falls into place. Perhaps that means you stay in 4 nights this week, and next week you go out 5 nights in a row.
Sometimes I will just decide to go for a drive, burn gas and listen to music. Even at 2AM. I quite enjoy that. Along the way, I once met Katie Perry’s body guard and a 5 minute conversation about his motorbike turned into a very interesting conversation lasting 4 hours. I couldn’t plan that if I tried!
Just concern yourself with what you DO wanna do.
And don’t concern yourself with what you DON’T want to do.Of course, throw it away if you don’t see value in it.
I totally understand what you’re saying. It’s not that I go out with zero intention of talking to women. I just have no interest in doing anything beyond talking with them. All too many I meet try to control me, consciously or subconsciously. Which being ever present in the moment, I have to shut down. I’ve had female friends who have acted in an overbearing nature and I tend to minimize my association with them.
Generally speaking I try to have a good time at whatever I do. I think I’ve just reached a point where the things I like to do, I don’t want to do. The fun is gone. And while there are some things I still like doing, I’m content to stay home. Perhaps that’s the introverted side of me coming out.
I tend to allow that s~~~ to bother me.
Same here. I do notice myself time to time getting a bit p~~~ed. No one is perfect, after all we are not competing with each other to see who is the “wisest” man on this site.
This is how I look at it KM:
Perhaps the other driver is going through a divorce.
Perhaps he got cheated on.
Perhaps he is just a foolish driver.
Perhaps he is an aggressive driver who loves to dominate the road.
………..There are infinite variables/conditions and we need to try our best to not allow ANY of these conditions interfere with us in just letting go. If we can train our mind to let go unconditionally, it solves ALL problems on the spot. It is easier to forgive someone who is going through a divorce compared to an aggressive person. If we can forgive an aggressive person, unconditionally, then we have made good progress.
I see human’s, including myself, as a duality. We have both an animalistic and spiritual side to us. We need to slowly train our mind to move out of our animal side and move into the enlightened spiritual side. So those people who behave recklessly on the road most likely have more of that animalistic quality prevalent in them. We need to see them for who they truly are and accept it. We cannot change them.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Anonymous3Yeah, right now, that’s what’s going to happen.
But there are MGTOW meetings going on nearly every weekend now it seems, where you can talk to fellow MGTOW.
Maybe one day we have meetups, and things change. I don’t know what the future holds. I haven’t dropped in on the conversations yet, but I mean to in the future when I have some time.
I used to play online games several years ago, and when there is a good group, that is a lot of fun. That’s almost all you really need, but the next step of getting locations where we can relax and talk and play games or setup hunting trips and stuff like that, like they used to in the 50s and 60s, that is something that I think is possible in the future, and then MGTOW will really have a huge spike in quality of life. If only we can keep women and manginas away.
There are infinite variables/conditions and we need to try our best to not allow ANY of these conditions interfere with us in just letting go. If we can train our mind to let go unconditionally, it solves ALL problems on the spot.
Pity more men don’t apply that when it comes to female “rejection”. There really are 99 other reasons why she won’t go out with you – and NONE of them have anything to do with you.
Maybe she’s “feeling fat today”.
Maybe she “not in the mood to be approached”.
Maybe she’s got a pimple.
Maybe she just getting over a breakup.
Maybe she thinks she might be pregnant.
Maybe she got into a fight with her best friend.I still don’t know why men allow themselves to be even slightly negatively affected by this knowing she’s a tornado of unspoken issues, and none have anything to do with you.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I think you have to take life as it comes, there’s highs and lows. That’s just the way it IS.
In my opinion, It’s not in your best interest to live with too many blacks and whites, most of life comes in all different types of gray.
What you LOVE today you may only like tomorrow, and completely lose interest in within the next few days, weeks, months, or years, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t pursue Other Interests.
As far as social media goes, life is simpler without it, but that’s my opinion.
Women as “friends” doesn’t seem to be a worthwhile venture either, but there again that’s up to YOU as well.
You NEED to find what works for YOU TODAY, and be willing to ENJOY something else/different tomorrow.
If you allow opportunities to present themselves, and WANT to RISK pursuing them then that is also YOUR CALL !!
This is FREEDOM !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
There really are 99 other reasons why she won’t go out with you
Exactly. Trying to decipher all these variables and analysing these combinations is just like a dog chasing its tail. It is a never ending pursuit. A pursuit that will drain you mentally.
Whatever women “want” from a man does not concern me:
If a woman want a rich guy…no worries
If a woman wants a tall guy….no worries
If a woman wants some other guy…no worriesThat “want” or object of desire for a female, is always fluctuating with these infinite variables. Example, a blue pill guy may think he has snagged a woman and they will live happily ever after,in his mind, not realising the volatility of the scenario. Whats going on in his mind will ALWAYS be different to whats going on in her mind. His agenda is different to her agenda. His conditions to stay in the relationship will be different to her conditions to stay in the relationship.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Pussy begging simps seek societal approval. Because they have f~~~s to give.
Hermits go to great pains to isolate themselves from society. Because they have f~~~s to give.
They’re opposing behaviors but the same basic problem.
Instead try having no f~~~s to give. That is the path to freedom and power.
Whatever women “want” from a man does not concern me:
Excellent and nor should it!
Until she makes an effort to “mean something” to you… why on Earth would “what she wants” mean anything to you? When you think about it, it starts to become funny really fast.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous42the men and their games and bulls~~~ continue to drive me to cutting them off as well.
That’s a lousy use of the word MAN!
Men do not play games and spew out bulls~~~. Mangina’s DO!
Men are accommodating and understanding, all the rest are c~~~s with dicks!
Until she makes an effort to “mean something” to you…
This is what separates man from mangina. That “mean something” is an emotional response in a man’s brain that is triggered by any of the following (not limited to) conditions:
> She talks about a topic that you like
> She “shares” the same morals as you
> She has the “same” hobbies as youMen are, at the end of the day, emotional creatures, it is why the greatest poets where men. Men need to be careful to not allow a woman to manipulate him through one of his “soft spots” (a hobby/passion). Example, if a woman comes up to me and starts talking about Electronics Engineering (LOL), I will move on as usual and continue my path as a MGTOW.
A blue pill man will, on the other hand, become fascinated at how a woman can take great interest in a sensitive part of his life. He will become hyper emotional and start thinking with his dick. In other words, one emotion triggers another emotion which in turn triggers another emotion etc. At the end of the day, he makes an irrational decision based on so much emotion.
We, as MGTOW, need to keep our emotion in check. If we see our emotions fluctuating, just observe it for what it is and allow it to pass. Try not to make decisions purely on emotions.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Once you become accustomed to not wiling to deal with bulls~~~ ones tolerance falls greatly.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
Anonymous11Men do not play games and spew out bulls~~~. Mangina’s DO!
I’ll double damn straight that point.
MGTOW is about being kind to yourself first. Becoming a hermit is a choice one makes independently of MGTOW. I’m not a hermit and make new friends constantly. I don’t trust any women though.
I rejected a party invitation recently where ten hookers were on retainer by the host. The cops are on their bi-annual bust-a-thon so I’m a bit more hermit these days myself so are a number of others I hear.
TV and Facebook are a waste of time. I use that time elsewhere.
Bars and clubs can be fun with friends, but is a waste of money.Everything is fun with friends. I have a 23 years long friendship, we much prefer getting some beer & relax, instead of going to a bar. Or make our own cognac, different projects etc.
I hope you find good friends.
Im going MONK, I enjoy nature and serenity, but Im not a hermit.
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I find that when people start establishing restrictions for themselves, they end up being more attached to the things they’ve restricted.
For Example:
“I’m NOT going to go to bars to talk to girls.”
If you truly didn’t care about talking to girls in bars, you wouldn’t have to say this any more than you have to say “I’m not going to Alaska to eat penguins.”
What you’ve done by establishing this restriction, however, is you’ve identified an attachment (talking to girls in bars) and then deliberately focused your attention on it which creates a mental environment of self-conflict. You really want to do this thing or you resent that you aren’t good at this thing and now you’re focusing your energy on avoiding the thing and the thing has become an important identity boundary in your life. The effect is that this dramatically increases the likelihood that you will find yourself attempting to do the thing and then feeling bad about it when you do it… even more so when you do it poorly.
Call it the “sin principle”. You define things as forbidden which only gives them power over you and draws you to them more.
Instead just focus on the positive things and do what you want. There are cool bars that make good drinks where you can have the fellowship of other interesting people… all things of positive value. And if there’s a woman there and a coversation starts, so be it. And if she tries to hug you or get you to buy her something, you politely decline, if you so desire, and continue about your merry way. If things turn ugly for some reason and you no longer wish to be there, you simply pay your tab and leave.
There’s no need for preconditions, no restrictions, no boundaries to avoid… just you, your values and your confident, unconscious execution of your own preferences.
In my mind, once you realize that you dont want to get married or live with a woman, it makes it easy. That is the normal, the no compromise point from which you live your life. You live YOUR life, doing what YOU want to do. If that is in isolation, so be it. If that is not participating in social media, going out, clubbing, or whatever, so be it. Everyone should do their life their way, with NO F~~~S GIVEN. For me, if it looks fun, I do it. I go my own way
The most important thing you can do is ask yourself, what do I really want out of life. Really think about it, and always be true to yourself. Then Do it.
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