I was contacted by a Dr. Phil show producer

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

A Dr. Phil show producer contacted me and wanted details on why I thought women oppressed men? I did an outreach, and as a member of the NCFM, I wrote my email response to the producer as did another NCFM member. Canadian, Karen S. also was contacted by NCFM president.

My top ways women oppress men were: Sexual Power, Victim hood power, and household spending power.

Two of us have responded, I do not know of the status of Canadian, Karen?

We now wait to see if the producer thinks there ‘a story’ here?

 

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Nice, let us know when it airs, can’t wait to see Dr. Phil’s head explode.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

The main reason I think women oppress men is because they want all the rights and respect of equality while still receiving all the unearned privileges and protections of chivalry. I haven’t met a single one yet who is for real equality. I haven’t met a woman yet who will give me a straight answer to being offered the choice between the two.

Perhaps you would be willing to share that producer’s email address with the 5000 mgtow members on this site…?

If you aren’t willing to share that email address, perhaps you would be willing to pass on the message I just wrote above?

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

I have included your message as part of my email back. For me, I focused on domestic violence and rape. I wanted to highlight two subjects I hold close. I explained my experiences and that I see mostly a one sided or biased image of these where women are the victims and men are the bad guys. Men always rape and beat women. I reinforced the reality that MEN are victims too, and I was raped by an older woman when I was a powerless 21 year old.

 

Let’s see what they do? I’ll keep things posted.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Here’s a quote from an article written by a feminist against the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) and shows without a doubt that women do not want equality.

Men want what women promised us at the start of 3rd wave feminism. Equality.

It’s pretty much the gist of what men are fighting for. It can easily be found in the writings of feminists who don’t and never wanted equality. They want supremacy. Here is a quote from an article in the LA Times from a feminist who clearly is fully against equality. That is the very definition of wanting superiority.

While claiming to benefit women, the ERA would actually have taken away some of women’s rights. We based our arguments on the writings of pro-ERA law professors, among them current Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The amendment would require women to be drafted into military combat any time men were conscripted, abolish the presumption that the husband should support his wife and take away Social Security benefits for wives and widows. It would also give federal courts and the federal government enormous new powers to reinterpret every law that makes a distinction based on gender, such as those related to marriage, divorce and alimony.

Now we can ad in due process rights in courts of law (for rape). Men just lost that by fiat of our King Obama.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/08/opinion/op-schafly8

That’s a start. And thanks feminists for pointing these things out.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 42]

Tim Patten wrote:

I was raped by an older woman when I was a powerless 21 year old.

Hey Tim, I lost my virginity when I was just 11, I didn’t know what I was getting into…

Later I found out she was doing her brother, and had sex with a dog, a ruff ruff, real dog. I wish I could go back in time and warn myself. That act alone, changed me forever……

[dondanteParticipant 12]

Holy s~~~ MG-Tower! That is a messed up woman! -_-

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Thanks Tim,
That was a quicker response than I anticipated. It would be interesting to see if that producer would like to set up an email to hear from men like us. For the most part, men here are like the ones who’ve already swam away from a burning, sinking ship. And this is like someone standing on deck calling out to us to explain why we thought saying on the ship was not for us. When I made the decision to abandon this ship, I didn’t anticipate ever having a conversation about why I did it, and certainly not with someone like this producer who I view as one of the deck hands still remaining aboard.

But if he wants to ask, I’ll take the time to write the following:

When a mine caves in, and half the miners who die are women…
When a construction site collapses, and half the workers who die are women…
When a ship sinks, and half the people who drown are women…
When a refinery explodes, and half the people who burn in it are women…
When divorces occur, and half the children come through it in the custody of their fathers…
When divorces occur, and the transfer of assets occurs equally in both directions…
When a war breaks out, and half the draftees are women…
When we erect a memorial to that war, and half the names on it are women…
When restaurants, and bars, and amusement parks and hotels and movie theaters generate half their revenue from women…
When half of the stay-at-home parents who don’t work are men…
When half the women who aspire to be married choose to marry men who make less than they do…
When half of the domestic disturbance calls that police get result in the arrests of women…
When half of the jokes about men that I see result in women being called pigs for repeating them…

Then, we will have a sample of equality. But it’s not enough for these things to happen. They have to happen in silence, with ZERO question or discussion from anyone in the media…EQUAL to the way they currently occur for men.

So far, the only thing I ever hear women say in the media or in person about equality is that they want ‘equal pay as men’. Some sources report that the pay gap has already disappeared. Yet nowhere do I see anything suggesting that an equally paid woman spends two months of her equal salary buying a ring for a man who makes less then she does in her proposal that he marry her and become owner of half of that equal salary she earns. No equally paid woman ever bought me dinner or drinks or anything else for that matter.

I don’t think I’ve met any women who even have the slightest grasp of what equality with men really means. What they ALL want, is an equal share of the traditional benefits of being male, 100% of the traditional benefits of being female, and zero share of any of the downside responsibility and disadvantages of being male. It’s been my experience that when a female voice speaks the word ‘equality’, this is the arrangement to which she is referring, without ever specifically articulating.

Feminism is not adults seeking to be treated equally. It’s spoiled children in adult bodies throwing irrational tantrums in order to get some unearned benefit that they want by screaming that they are oppressed and demonizing the providers of it if they are not given it in exchange for reciprocating exactly nothing.

Tim,
This is a view I formed more than 30 years ago when I was a teenager. I have never once seen it expressed anywhere in mass media. (If there is anyone here who might like to add anything to it, please do.) Tim, If you are in a position to communicate with anyone in the mass media, please pass this on with any other mgtow’s additions to it and ask for his/her personal response. If they do respond, please share the response here. If that producer agrees, I’d be interested to know why he/she has never presented his/her view in the media. If he/she dose not agree, I’d be even more interested to hear he/she elaborate on why.

I have multiple science degrees and practice it for a living. In science, we don’t get personally invested in our ideas or theories. We form them, and then present them publicly and invite criticism of them. We do this on the premise that it’s easier to shoot holes in a bad theory than to build a build a good one without injecting our own bias. So if we invite maximum criticism of the idea, and it survives that process, then we can accept it as a good idea until a better one (even more resistant to criticism) comes along.

Tell the producer I invited him/her to take his/her best shot, and thanks very much for your membership here.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[DayrepSpectator 69]

realsexism.com

 

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Despite what you have been told, in the western world today almost all legal and lethal sexual discrimination is against men.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men are 97% of combat fatalities.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men pay 97% of Alimony</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men make 94% of work suicides.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men make up 93% of work fatalities.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men make up 81% of all war deaths.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>80% of all suicides are men.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>77% of homicide victims are men.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women.</span>

Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.

Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Males are discriminated against in school and University.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>60-80% of the homeless are men. </span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Women’s Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men’s</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”>40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.</span></span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Male fatality rates are vastly higher than women’s</span>

<span style=”color: #000000;”>Worldwide there are <span style=”background-color: initial;”>107 men born for every 100 women, by age 65 there are</span></span><span style=”background-color: initial;”><span style=”color: #000000;”> 78 men for every 100 women, in countries like the USA & UK, its even worse, with 75/76 men for every 100 women. Despite the fact that health care spending for men is nearly twice as effective.</span></span>

[Anonymous 42]

dondante wrote:

Holy s~~~ MG-Tower! That is a messed up woman! -_-

I found out a couple or years ago, she died from cancer.

BrainPilot wrote:

So if we invite maximum criticism of the idea, and it survives that process, then we can accept it as a good idea until a better one (even more resistant to criticism) comes along.

BP, that’s the secret to our success when formulating fertilizer to specific plant requirements.

Another thing, when that plane went through the fence the other day, it hit me, Brain Pilot: Lowering the brain functions to near death, without damaging it. Like drinking enough alcohol and overdosing, without dieing. COOL JOB, I’d trust you with my brain any day!

One more thing, Harrison ford’s crash landing; The Pineapple Express has been dumping rain, humidity, and condensation in a normally dry region, we get water in our fuel all the time, and check for it! I’ll bet it was water in the fuel storage, or condensation in the plane’s fuel tanks. Things don’t just stop running without a “bang”. Unless it’s water. brapp…..brapp…..katucka, cachuka…………………………………….that’s water.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I somehow doubt he will let you present hard numbers and will instead focus on the more “emotional” aspect of your argument.  You have to remember, that the majority of his “followers” are women.  The show is meant to pander to and attract women.  Women do not like numbers or hard facts.  I would not be surprised if you found it difficult to present your statistics and instead dealt with emotional and shaming tactics.

You are fighting on there territory, national television, where much of what they say and provide comes from a limited perspective.  I would be wary of this.  They will take some parts of your argument rather than the whole thing and twist it around.  You have to remember that Dr. Phil is not around to help people, he is around to entertain people and reengineer them.  And most of the people he entertains are women.   I doubt your whole argument will be provided, and that only the weak points will be allowed through.  This will not be a good battle ground.

With that being said, they can turn this around as evidence of why men are weak and why women should be in charge.  By acknowledging victimhood to a bunch of women, you are saying they are now in power.  Dr. Phil is one for empowering women.  Do not expect to gain any sympathy for showing weakness, they will exploit it instead.  As I said before, you are explaining how men are victims and the evils of feminist society.  They will take it as why men are weak and why Feminism should thrive.

They will twist this to their benefit.  Remember, evidence is subject to interpretation.  Number are Numbers.  It is how we interpret numbers which is the issue.  You think you will come in and blow them away with numbers, when in reality your battle will be fought on how they should be interpreted.

Remember they contacted you.  You did not contact them.  They are putting you into their position, while giving you the impression you are in control.

Hopefully I was a little clear.

[red_johnParticipant 24]

Don’t forget to mention the discrepancy and bias in the judiciary system: women get sentenced to far less harsh punishments for similar crimes!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Study the way Marc Rudov does tv. He is the only mra I’ve ever seen that always comes out ahead on tv.

/video/mra-marc-rudov-schools-annoying-feminazi/

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 11]

John Doe wrote:

I somehow doubt he will let you present hard numbers and will instead focus on the more “emotional” aspect of your argument.  You have to remember, that the majority of his “followers” are women.  The show is meant to pander to and attract women.  Women do not like numbers or hard facts

Tim: Also, I’m with John on this too. I know you may think they mean well and will allow you to openly express your opinion, but you will be walking into the territory of professionals who know exactly what they are doing. What you actually say, and what survives the final editing will be two entirely different things.

This is not about you or your opinions but maximizing ratings to a majority female audience to maximize revenue for Dr. Mangina. Now how would you proceed given that raw power and control? Mock a patsy to pump up your core audience or seek new viewers by those who would rather suck car exhaust than watch you.

If I recall, Oprah created this sappy feel good prick. On the other hand, this is a sign the vag oriented mediaplex is beginning to take notice. Brothers, I fear the day of reckoning is nearing. Prepare for onslaught. Personally, I’d decline unless they gave me 100% editorial control over the final product.

[Anonymous 0]

 

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Tim: I’m with John and Chauvinist on this one, and I can attest to what happens on the editing floor. I’ve been on TV a couple of times, and they NEVER treat you fairly (at least in the western media). And Dr. Phil is hostile territory, make no mistake about it. Let your book be its own testimony. TV does you no good; better to promote through radio.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

BrainPilot wrote:

I don’t think I’ve met any women who even have the slightest grasp of what equality with men really means. What they ALL want, is an equal share of the traditional benefits of being male, 100% of the traditional benefits of being female, and zero share of any of the downside responsibility and disadvantages of being male. It’s been my experience that when a female voice speaks the word ‘equality’, this is the arrangement to which she is referring, without ever specifically articulating.

That being the very key phrase observation of yours, Brainpilot I guess one could describe that behavior a somewhat pathologically automized tactical albeit childish outcry, almost equally to the meaning of the very verbal “raaaaaaabaaaaaaaaaaaa!”  of a toddler(ess) in its most difficult years essentially translated as “I want you to notice me and I want something from you and if you neither give me that attention nor anything else that I desire right now, then I shall defiantly carry on crying even more, louder and longer if need be, until I either get it from you or until my voice is gone, whichever is appropriate…!”

But anyway: very best of luck and all the very best, Tim. Stay firm and try to make us all proud of you.

May all of our souls will be with you for that.

>> We shall we shall back you! <<  [go on lads clap yer hands… 😉 ]

Break a leg!

 

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[John DoeParticipant 743]

On a separate point I forgot to mention.  Dr. Phil’s viewers are women.  You would be in effect arguing with women.  I do not know about your personal life, but if you followed the forums and observed the trolls you could clearly see how they argue.  It will be a no win situation for you.  You cannot convince of woman of anything by the use of logic.  They will resort to shaming tactics.

You going on the Dr. Phil show would be the equivalent of getting into an argument about finances with your wife/girlfriend.  At the end of the day it will result in a screaming match, started by her, and result in personal attacks.

Men need to be informed of your book, not women.   Dr. Phil does not reach out to men.

 

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Hmm, very true points, John and CPig. Then again I guess we can all at least respect Tim’s courage not to have declined…

…whoops, I got a bit carried away again in my previous post.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

@john Doe: Well put.

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