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1- meet a woman who is financially independent, maybe one who has more money than you do
That’s not as easy to find as it sounds.
3- never get married again.
So many places have common law marriage. You cohabitate for x months (usually 12, but may be less) -> you are subjected to the same restrictions as if you were married.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
Question for wizer:
If I could give you irrefutable proof that not all wild Grizzly bears will try and kill you would you then be inclined to go try and pet one???
You’d provide irrefutable proof that grizzly bear you want me to pet won’t try to kill me?
Sure I’d pet it. Why not?
But you can’t, so I won’t.
I’m not talking about any one particular bear but all Grizzly bears in general. Reread the question…
You sound Grumpy.
You sound naive.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
Have to laugh a bit about how much “wizer” the OP actually is. His ass gets raped in a divorce, and he was so much wiser thereafter that he is now legally connected to another woman for in excess of 5 years (on her healthcare) meaning he is likely in a common-law relationship and exposed to being raped for half of whatever he has left from the first mistake.
Tell you what, wizer. Most of us here do not hate women. We don’t trust them or their nature, true, and yes we call them out. We do, however, hate a system that will 98% of the time side with whatever a woman says against us simply because vagina. F~~~ that system, and any man who is deluded enough to thing that “not ALL women are like that” when a woman can simply choose at her whim to solicit the assistance of that system to f~~~ a man over deserves what he gets. With 5 years plus with your current cumdumpster, you have exposed yourself to that again.
But hey wizer, you rail against generalizations about women like a whiny apologist cuck and yet come here and make a broad generalization against all of us.
Great going, hypocrite …. and welcome.
If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.Why do you think you have to endure financial risk again, in order to be in a relationship with a woman?
Do you not read the news? Divorce judgements or statistics? Do you not have friends that have been eviscerated by divorce?
I’ll add that my girlfriend’s net worth is similar to what I gave to my exwife in the divorce.
Did you miss the irony, correlation, and justification you just made in that statement?
If we should go the distance, it’s an even swap.
For me, that alone is justification for NOT gambling a minimum of 1/2 my assets on an “if”.
Oh well, do as you please.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Anonymous18Is it because I need the validation or is it because women smell nice and they have breasts and it feels really good to stick my penis inside of their mouths and vjs? Or because they feed me, and take care of me when I’m sick and because they tell me how much they love me? I guess that last part is the validation thing you speak of.
Man, the bolded part is vomit inducing but please I won’t correct you. You are an ideal example for men to learn from – I really wish you come back when reality comes knocking. I would be first one to welcome you with open arms.
Now on to the penis in her orifices. I would love that. Almost any time of the day. But I’d also like IV heroin as they say its 100x better than busting nuts. Never tried it, nor will.
You are an addict. And you will go to length to meet those needs.
If you ever do take a step back and live a life in solitude you’d see exactly what price you are paying to get your fix.
I’m not seeing the problem here.
Perhaps spend some more time reading some of the stories here. The “problem” that you’re not yet seeing will jump out at you and smash you in the face with a sledge hammer…
I find amusement in the fact that I called you out for perhaps being a tuna for your defensive stance where women are concerned and the seeming disdain you have for most males.
I queried why you hadn’t made an intro yet because I already foresaw this outcome from it.
Your views, tuna or not, will not sit well with most of the active members. Most of us who actually post have had enough life changing red pills to know that ultimately AWALT.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
Grumpy wrote:
Meh
Shaming men, blaming men, and NAWALT justifcations.
Perhaps this isn’t a site for you.Good Luck
You sound Grumpy.
Why yes I am, it is a role I thoroughly enjoy playing thank you very much 🙂
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
I went through a long, bitter divorce that in of itself ran up a combined legal bill of over $250k, cost me a good chunk of my assets including my mortgage free home in an upscale neighborhood, half of my 401k, and most importantly my relationship with my 2 daughters was never the same, even now my eldest does not speak to me. Prior to the divorce we were very close
You must be very wealthy in order to afford something like this and to be able to move on this easily?
What about the pain caused to you because you can’t see your loved ones?
When I see such duality I find it fishy 🐡🐟🐡
You must own a better Crystal ball than I
Anonymous13You say choosing being alone now is like some kind of waste.
When there is a chance I could be with a good woman. Like it’s some great prize.
You’re seeing it all wrong here.
I’ve been there, done that, got the t-shirt, spent a day in JAIL and suffered for SIX months with a criminal trial hanging over my head.
All based on NO EVIDENCE.
HER lie was THE EVIDENCE.
So no matter how nice cupcake is, who wants to live with a gun to your head 24/7 365?
Even without all that, and finding a decent woman.
It’s STILL not all that.
Not some wonderful prize.
That’s conditioning and programming that makes men need to feel validated by having a good woman. You’re not complete without a woman is a lie.
Even with a good woman. You still have to share your time and space with her. Put up with compromises all the times.
They are not the prize.
YOU ARE.
This is what I’m talking about. The sentiment on this forum is that guys cannot ever be happy in a relationship with a woman
No, the sentiment on this site is that happiness, success and peace of mind can be achieved without having a woman for support or any other delusional reason….and some of us are very successful at it.
Naive you are if you're hoping to find your unicorn in Latin America. The brain-eating bacteria of feminism is everywhere. Give up!
My Dog loving eating 🎂 Cakes scared it away !! Woof! Woof! Grrrr Grrr..
You must own a better Crystal ball than II didn’t bother reading all your posts because, if you’re a grown man and you don’t know where you belong, then you’re not paying very good attention to your own life, your own thoughts and your own values. I don’t seek directions from the lost and no one here should seek your advice till you get yourself unlost. BTW all MGTOW ever set in stone is 1.) don’t marry 2.) don’t cohabitate 3.) don’t make unwanted babies. The rest comes from varied views and perspectives (some social, some anti-social) depending on the personality and experience of the individual. You’re just focusing on those guys that will have nothing to do with woman, when there are plenty of us here that play the field and use the knowledge to protect ourselves. Difference is I respect the guy who wants nothing to do with woman, and make no attempt to change his mind. He has reasons and it does well to listen to them.
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous13Darksense, it appears you have misquoted me. I never said that. Wiser said that.
Read up on the acronym AWALT. It took me a little while after my divorce to really own the idea of AWALT, but if you read about it here you’ll find the same story endlessly echoed from around the world.
I get it. It’s the false generalization that brought me to this site initially because I disagree with it.
Are all guys the same too?
I know guys who are sociopaths, criminals, porn addicts, alcoholics, drug addicts, and financial parasites in their relationships with their women.
Are all men like that too?
In general, yes there are traits that apply to the identity of every man. At its most basic, the Y chromosome. But everyone makes their own choices. And yes, women too have universal traits.
Mens’ and womens’ genetics are different. From this, we also see differences in physiology–and behavioral patterns. It turns out that the patterns of women are basically the same in essence.
In terms of details, not all women are bankers or have blonde hair. But that is not what AWALT is referring to. AWALT says that the nature of women is the same in every instance.
As long as she is a woman, you are dealing with a woman and the package of traits that come with being a woman. Why? Because all women are like that.
"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.
I don’t know if I belong here.
My Dog keeps sniffing around! I guess it wonders about that statement / question of yours!
It made it uncomfortable! It doesn’t bark that much ordinarily!
You must own a better Crystal ball than IDarksense, it appears you have misquoted me. I never said that. Wiser said that.
Sorry. My bad. I did realize that after I posted it.
Naive you are if you're hoping to find your unicorn in Latin America. The brain-eating bacteria of feminism is everywhere. Give up!
Anonymous43I think you will find that the men who were divorced who haunt this site are not dirtbags, drug infested drunks, ne’er do wells, loser failures, bad hombres or bulls~~~ artists.
I married my special snowflake because of an oops baby…lol she forgot her pill and poked holes in the condoms. She works as an accountant/computer software specialist. Coming out of college I worked as a translator and computer sales. She got a high paying job, and my job was paying for babysitting, so I stayed home with the kids. When the kids grew old enough I was going back to college. I volunteer taught an art class in all 6 grades of the elementary school where my kids attended, and upon graduation I would have had a job at the neighborhood school. I was on the dean’s list 4.00 GPA, volunteered at the church, did rail trail clean ups.
We were an ok fit starting out, she had some bills, student loans and a s~~~ credit score, but high income. I had good credit, paid into her loans and college expenses, but s~~~ income. I put what I had into her so we could make it financially, then I could go back to school. Anything I made would go right into savings. She made $100K right out of college, and I was making $40K. Imagine saving $70K a year for a few years? OMG that was the plan.
Until she started buying stuff, baskets birdhouses pillows, new furniture every year, vacations cruises, scrapbooking s~~~, new cars, cellphones, big ass tv, landscaping, giving money away to family, she came close to secretly buying an entire house and scrapbook store that I would be working in. So no savings, she p~~~ed it all away.
My ex beat me down horribly while we were married, ultimately stabbing me through the hand and pinning me to a counter in the kitchen during an argument over which way the points on silverware go in the dishwasher, I went with points down so you don’t stab yourself. lol she proved my umm point. To shut me up, and to fix the damaged and bloodied kitchen, she bought a $20,000 kitchen remodel that I designed. Stabbing, kicking, sitting on me beating me while I slept, jealousy, infidelity accusations, accusing me of fathering her sisters child when that little girl was born with blue eyes and a gap tooth smile. ummm what else, ooh yes the actual moment, she woke up, looked at me and said I’m not happy, you need to get out. Then she went out to make the kids breakfast and announced to the kids we were getting a divorce and I was leaving. She told me to my face that she and the kids would be better off without me, and then left for the day to go see a movie. I think she expected me to leave while they were gone. The next day in a fit of misery and defeat I sat in my backyard having a chat with my mower gas can and a BBQ lighter. I felt like I had nothing left to live for. How had I f~~~ed up? Why was my special snowflake doing this to me? I’m sitting there flicking the lighter on and off, staring at the flame. Was she right? Was I a total loser…I’m teaching in the kids school kids all over town ask me what they are doing in art next time, the church loves it when I do thing, I made sets for the kids dance studio, I’m doing well in college…I’m doing well everywhere except in the wife’s head. I don’t drink, I don’t chase women, I don’t do drugs, I don’t gamble, I fold laundry, do dishes, changed diapers, dressed Barbie dolls, potty trained, teach the kids to read and write, have manners and learn how to do things for themselves. I was the dad my kids friends told me they wish they had. What the f~~~ am I doing going to burn myself to death in the backyard?
Cops came around a week later to remove me from my house, and came damn close to shooting my brother. I spend almost a year living in a minivan at a truck stop while going to school to get a teaching certificate. In those 6 years, I found tracking devices, been in car chases trying to get away from her, she has kicked my apartment door in, almost ran me over a couple times with my kids in her truck, I filed 5 complaints against her with no action, moved 200 miles away and found private investigators following me, listening devices in the kids toys, she ordered her live in Chad to drop off and pick up my kids, driving 100 miles each way, I was put in jail for not having a 20 hour a week minimum wage job by a certain date, but before the court date, held in contempt, now it is harder for me to find a teaching job, she finally poisoned my kids against me and a court order keeps me from communicating with them, retroactive child support order made me homeless again, living in a tent at a trailer park in SWKS.
Do you see where I am going here? Looking at me story, I am not Mr. Badass. F~~~, I am my own action hero. I should have an action figure and a movie…
I used to go to a 24 hour palace of a gym and beat a racquetball for 2 hours a night trying to figure out why I was thrown away. An hour in the sauna didn’t bring me any answers either. Our divorce took 6 years to complete, at a cost to me of over $300,000. We were in court every week for a while, for nonsense bulls~~~ she would make up, and then not appear for the hearing. Once to collect on money I made as an intern at a child care lab on campus…I made $2500, owed her $700, we went through 11/12? court dates costing me thousands of dollars of lawyer idle time in court. Recreational litigation my lawyer called it…f~~~ me in the bungus I call it. Each court date was the possibility of being held in contempt. There was a bus station next to the court bunker. To me the smell of freedom is bus diesel exhaust.
The only way I found peace was to move 900 miles away. I had to leave my children behind. Jebus on the cross, we sat there in this little podunk town there on Route 55, sitting on a high concrete sidewalk telling my kids I had a job far away. They were crushed, but told me to be a good teacher because I was a good daddy, maybe those kids out there needed me too.
Part of my bitterness comes from having to pay child support to someone who makes more in a month than I make in net pay all year. I heard you blink. She makes about $15,000 a year gross per month, I make $13,000 net all year. after taxes, after Child Support, after retirement and other deductions. Oh and rent is half of my take home. After bills, utilities I have $100 left over. I am self sufficient by the barest of margins.
I looked back on the other three long term relations~~~s I had, and realized a pattern
1. easy to talk to girls looking for attention stayed with me…all had distant fathers, divorced parents, or dad was unavailable always fighting and backstabbing the mother
2. gave into sexual activity very early.
3. being with the woman was distracting and derailed my college education.
4 after breaking up, these women had boyfriends the next week.
5 all had cheated on me at least once.
6. All friends stayed with her, never wanted me ever again.
7. I paid for everything, zero return on investment. Women never paid me back for anything.
8 I put tons of effort into the relations~~~, all I got was s~~~ upon.
9 after breaking up, I was inconsolable trying to figure out how I failed, I did what ever they wanted, and still got f~~~ed.
10 any meetings after breakup were contentious at best, near lethal with the ex wife.
until I came here, I thought I was a colossal bumblef~~~, unable to sort out what had happened to me. Here I started reading about the same pattern of behavior, and guys working their asses off and getting no where. I learned about hypergamy, Briffault’s Law, solipsism, narcissistic behavior, and the phone call.
Women are toxic creatures, syphoning off resources with the constant threat of false battery, false rape and false bulls~~~ that will put you in jail. Many men can tell you about the phone call.
This is my favorite story. This says it all about women. And there is nothing men can do about this.
This site taught me this is a universal problem with women in western countries. There are heartbreaking video documentaries about Spain and Israel on you tube. There are hundreds of sites and videos talking about how toxic women are. At some point anecdotal evidence becomes real evidence. Rather than spending time money and effort finding a woman who wont wreck me. or be in a room alone with a woman, and not without some furniture between us.
What woman would want me with $100 to my name, teaching 5th grade in a nowhere cow town in the ass end of Kansas? Nearest town is 65 miles away. I have 4 college degrees, speak 4 languages, have manners, no addictions, no tattoos, and not violent. I am absolutely useless to any decent woman. No money, no power, no property, but I’ll treat her well isn’t what women want.
Divorce and criminal courts will punish a man every way possible. Every time I went to court with a complaint about the ex not being there with the kids for my parenting time, it was dismissed. Any time she thought I was breaking some rule, I was at risk of not smelling the diesel fumes. Since July of 2009 I keep a journal and receipts. I buy something every few hours and make sure I am on video at least 4 times a day. I have been called into court for malicious false bulls~~~ and beaten her every time with my day planner and receipts. Even 900 miles away, I establish my alibi at a convenience store, drive in window, or purchase at failmart. My life depends upon this stupidity.
Most divorce cases have a file folder, maybe an inch thick. My case is in 5 banker boxes on a cart I was compelled by court order to reimburse the court. Only one other divorce court case is more massive, covering 3 8 foot high bookshelves in the court room, a 30 year weekly battle. Ho Lee Fuk! Suburban Chicago court, every morning there were maybe 400 or 500 people all having business with the divorce court…lines wrapped around the block, lol men went in one door and the women went in the other….kind of evolved that way, with armed cops on the man side, and no cops on the women side.
I get your argument and am happy that you have found a woman who hasn’t turned on you, yet. Amigo, all women are like that, your special snowflake will turn on you as soon as you are unwilling or unable to provide what she needs. Someday, she will tell you she is not happy. Secretly, she has been seeing someone for a couple months and is afraid of getting caught. She wants to throw you away on her terms, not yours. I think you will find the vast majority here live alone and have gone monk for life. Personally I think you are living dangerously. You go your way, I’ll go mine. Good luck, brother.
Demographics on this site may be a little skewed in favor of men who were crushed and ass raped in divorce court. I can’t tell you all men here were destroyed. Many here saw the writing on the wall and got out of the game early in their 20’s. Good for them. I wish someone had told me how potentially damaging being with a woman was. No one in my family is divorced, I didn’t know any divorced families. Families stayed together no matter what.
Sorry for the long post. I wanted to possibly clear up any misunderstanding you might have had about the men on this site. For conversations I have had since July of 2016, most of the men here are employed, many have computer related jobs, some are in construction and real estate, doctors, architects, factory workers, teachers, just ordinary people with a story to tell. Some of us have met up in real life, and had good things to say about each other. There is also a video chat thing once in a while.
All the men here are fighters, not quitters, not losers. We have bad days, and temporary setbacks, but not quitters. We all hurt inside, and find peace here. We are all the good men that women complain have disappeared. We haven’t disappeared, we have weighed the risks of dating and relations~~~s, and decided that women are not worth the s~~~ vortex.
lol I almost forgot the bitterness thing I am not bitter, I celebrate my freedom from a f~~~ed up relations~~~, and sad that my kids had to throw me away too. I was absolutely crushed in my marriage. I should not have married her without having resources and job skills that would have me be the breadwinner. When we met, we were both working entry level bulls~~~ jobs. She and I put together were able to make ends meet. Is it my fault for surrendering everything to someone who made more money than me…hmmm no. I was operating in the best interests of our family. S~~~ if your wife made $100 to 150K a year what would you do? In happier times, my kids will find me. The court ordered no contact is rescinded when they contact me. Paying her money keeps me from getting a 900 mile ride in the back of a police car to jail.
If you are going to hang out here, please please please, no real names and if that is your real picture in your avatar, change it.
I am glad you are here, brother. Welcome.
I don’t see Tower, Blade and Sage ! Where are they? It Would have been interesting to read their opinions!
And now we wait the return of the OP ⌚
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