I don't know if I belong here.

[wizerSpectator 19]

I joined this board because my history is similar to many or most men on this site.

I went through a long, bitter divorce that in of itself ran up a combined legal bill of over $250k, cost me a good chunk of my assets including my mortgage free home in an upscale neighborhood, half of my 401k, and most importantly my relationship with my 2 daughters was never the same, even now my eldest does not speak to me. Prior to the divorce we were very close.

I understand that the concept of marriage is a complete and utter sham, which in most cases results in a miserable failure. People who get married once have not thought it through or think they’re going to somehow beat the statistics because they’re better than everyone else, and those who get married 2 or more times are fools.

I know there are opportunistic women out there who marry simply for financial gain.

I will never, ever put myself in a position where I am financially or emotionally vulnerable to a woman, because no one can be fully trusted, you just never know what another person will do, and I get that most relationships ultimately fail regardless of how great things may seem to be at the very start, when things are ALWAYS the best.

On the other hand, I see a lot of bitterness here, by men who refuse to be accountable for their own actions, and how their own behavior led to the demise of their marriage, and how their ex-wives also may be struggling with their own “broken dreams” and the difficulties that come with being a single parent often with young children who wonder what happened to the man they thought they were going to spend the rest of their lives with, who turned out to be cheaters, or abusers, or drug addicts or losers who cannot keep a job or be responsible with finances. Lots of men on here seem to be women haters, they take their own experiences and blindly apply them to every human being on the face of the planet that owns a vagina. Well, I happen to enjoy the company of a woman, and I’ve been in several relationships post divorce including the longest to date, 5 years and counting with my girlfriend aka domestic partner (so I can be on her company health insurance). She’s financially independent and she too, supported a loser ex-husband who drained her financially. A common misconception on this site is that it’s always the guy who gets taken advantage of. It’s not. It’s the breadwinner, which is usually- but not always the guy.

So anyway, yeah, here I am, finding myself posting in opposition to the guys who say all women are bitches and c~~~s and can’t be trusted in the least and you’re better off without them because they use sex as a bargaining chip and they only want your money and that all dating sites suck because the women are either whales or they are just after your money- because although that may be true to some extent, not ALL women are that way which is where that generalization (as do most) falls flat on it’s face.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Welcome.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

wizer wrote:

On the other hand, I see a lot of bitterness here, by men who refuse to be accountable for their own actions.

wizer wrote:

not ALL women are that way

If you’re asking for opinions, I’d say you probably don’t belong. You took the red pill and spat it back out.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[StealthParticipant 5340]

Welcome!

If you are a man going your own way, you belong here. We want to hear your experiences, and yes please jump in and share your voice/story and opinions.

“A common misconception on this site is that it’s always the guy who gets taken advantage of. It’s not. It’s the breadwinner, which is usually- but not always the guy.”

This has been my observation as well. Usually it is the man who works hard and therefore loses when the wife simply feels like destroying her family. But yeah not always. There is lots of flooding in certain parts of the world, but doesn’t mean it never floods elsewhere.

We could use your voice here.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[Anonymous 18]

wizer wrote:

On the other hand, I see a lot of bitterness here

wizer wrote:

Lots of men on here seem to be women haters

wizer wrote:

they take their own experiences and blindly apply them to every human being on the face of the planet that owns a vagina

wizer wrote:

I happen to enjoy the company of a woman, and I’ve been in several relationships post divorce including the longest to date, 5 years

wizer wrote:

A common misconception on this site

wizer wrote:

she too, supported a loser ex-husband

wizer wrote:

not ALL women are that way

First things first you do not belong here. Few reasons why I say that: a) You are in a relationship AFTER you have been divorce raped (anal without lube since one of your daughter refuses to talk to you) b) You are the LOSER dad for what your daughter is concerned with. You do not have to be the loser in life but your own blood thinks you are. c) Taking from b) when your current woman-partner is telling you her ex was a loser and you take it at face value – would you be surprised that everyone your ex-wife and your own daughter come in contact with will think you are a loser without knowing you?

I understand you are a believer of AWALT and I also foresee your ass being handed to you but stick around – I would really love for you to come back and tell us there are no unicorns. You are naive, and why you are $250k short and still struggling with romantic love.

Women are great. They make more rational choices that suit their needs in the time. Men can learn from them.

MGTOW refuse to be hosts to women’s deceptive ways to get ahead in life. You were a host. And you will be until you are discarded.

[AutoliteParticipant]

wizer wrote:

Well, I happen to enjoy the company of a woman, and I’ve been in several relationships post divorce including the longest to date, 5 years and counting with my girlfriend aka domestic partner (so I can be on her company health insurance). She’s financially independent and she too, supported a loser ex-husband who drained her financially.

I think the bottom line is all guys just need to do what makes them happy. If you’re happy in a relations~~~ then that’s fine! I’m guessing that you’re not the type of guy who’ll come here looking for sympathy or support when she f~~~s you over anyway.

It’s the guys who listen to you and dupe themselves into thinking that they might have a chance at a happy relations~~~ too who are the ones that we need to worry about…

[MACHOParticipant]

Hello wizer,

You titled your intro I don’t know if I belong here and after reading the whole thing I totally agree with that question mark!!

You are bound to cause some serious friction on here 💥 because as you must know mgtow means.. Men Going Their Own Way ! The spirit on here is one mostly of survival not of hatred. One of survival by keeping away from greedy promiscuous modern women.

There’s a great duality appearing in your intro, in one part you share your great losses due to divorce and in the other you point fingers at blindly angry resentful men blaming them for hurting women.

To be honest I don’t know in the long run if you will be welcome at all 🚷 ??? , especially if your presence starts to be a dividing factor!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Anonymous 13]

Welcome.

Not woman haters.

Men here have been destroyed by women, ruthlessly and without compassion.

We’ve seen their true nature and say no more, f~~~ that noise.

Every marriage and relationship today has a ‘done by’ date.

What sane man is going to sign up for that and the ensuing s~~~ vortex WHEN it ends.

We are no abusers and cheaters here. We are the ones that have had a lifetime of s~~~ from women and had the state condone and support their reprehensible behaviour towards us.

Even if not all. So many women ARE like that.
The only safe bet is MGTOW.

[Anonymous 6]

[StealthParticipant 5340]

Hey Wizer,
Implicit in your intro is the question, “What does it mean to be MGTOW?” This is an ongoing conversation on this site and you’ll find different ideas. So jump on into the conversation–which it looks like you’ve already done.

Personally I call bulls~~~ when I see it, and 90% or more of the time it comes from women, but yes sometimes from other men. I also think taking responsibility for one’s own actions is an integral part of maturity, and calling people out if you perceive them not doing so is fine by me, even if I disagree with you. Again, welcome.

Ps. What do you other guys think? I know MgTOWs here who avoid human contact, and others who still f~~~ around. I’m on guard against blue pill ideaology, but we’re all at different stages of our journey.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[Anonymous 13]

Oh yeah, dating sites and the women on them, no, just NO.

[wizerSpectator 19]

Anonymous wrote:

First things first you do not belong here. Few reasons why I say that: a) You are in a relationship AFTER you have been divorce raped (anal without lube since one of your daughter refuses to talk to you) b) You are the LOSER dad for what your daughter is concerned with. You do not have to be the loser in life but your own blood thinks you are. c) Taking from b) when your current woman-partner is telling you her ex was a loser and you take it at face value – would you be surprised that everyone your ex-wife and your own daughter come in contact with will think you are a loser without knowing you?

a) No reason a guy cannot be in a relationship after he’s been through a difficult and expensive divorce. All women are not the same. But he needs to not repeat his past mistakes- no comingling of finances, no more children, and NO marriage. For one to stay single for their rest of their lives because they had a bad marriage, is a bit shortsighted to say the least. b) Yes my daughters probably see me as being a loser. So what does that have to do with me not belonging here? c) I take nothing anyone tells me at “face value”. I have met my girlfriends loser exhusband. I have seen her finances, I have seen the results of his actions which continue to this day- he spent his entire divorce payout and is on the verge of bankruptcy, she supports her son completely, his dad never has any money for anything.

Autolite wrote:

It’s the guys who listen to you and dupe themselves into thinking that they might have a chance at a happy relations~~~ too who are the ones that we need to worry about…

This is what I’m talking about. The sentiment on this forum is that guys cannot ever be happy in a relationship with a woman. I don’t agree. Obviously. The breadwinner (usually the guy) needs to protect themself by keeping finances seperate and by only dating women who are financially independent. It’s not that difficult.

Anonymous wrote:

We are no abusers and cheaters here. We are the ones that have had a lifetime of s~~~ from women and had the state condone and support their reprehensible behaviour towards us.

There it is again, that dangerous generalization.

You say there are “no cheaters or abusers here”.

Really? How do you know this?

[wizerSpectator 19]

Never mind figured it out

[Anonymous 18]

wizer wrote:

he spent his entire divorce payout and is on the verge of bankruptcy, she supports her son completely, his dad never has any money for anything.

Hope you see the irony in that. Start thinking independently and you will see why you are doing your current gf’s bidding.

wizer wrote:

You say there are “no cheaters or abusers here”.

Really? How do you know this?

If you care to spend time and read introductions you can answer that yourself.

wizer wrote:

This is what I’m talking about. The sentiment on this forum is that guys cannot ever be happy in a relationship with a woman. I don’t agree.

Dude are you a troll? Why are you here?

I have never attended alcohol anonymous, guess why?

Nor do I intend on going there and saying some people just can’t control their impulses.

If you are woman (and I doubt you are, likelier a white knight) then I must admit its a clever plan to stir s~~~ around here.

[MACHOParticipant]

wizer wrote:

Never mind figured it out

What did you figure out?

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[StealthParticipant 5340]

Anonymous wrote:

Welcome.

Not woman haters.

Men here have been destroyed by women, ruthlessly and without compassion.

We’ve seen their true nature and say no more, f~~~ that noise.

Every marriage and relationship today has a ‘done by’ date.

What sane man is going to sign up for that and the ensuing s~~~ vortex WHEN it ends.

We are no abusers and cheaters here. We are the ones that have had a lifetime of s~~~ from women and had the state condone and support their reprehensible behaviour towards us.

Even if not all. So many women ARE like that.
The only safe bet is MGTOW.

Spirit, nicely said. Also I hear it in the voice of Sonny Crockett when I read it. I’m bookmarking this.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[Anonymous 13]

wizer wrote:

For one to stay single for their rest of their lives because they had a bad marriage, is a bit shortsighted to say the least.

Oh man, a bit short sighted?

I spent 30 f~~~ing years being the good guy in a marriage, a good father and a good husband. I did it all and rarely had time for ME.

My reward, was the back of a police car and complete REMOVAL from my life based on a f~~~ing phone call, a lie.

So, now me choosing to remain single and never risk that s~~~ again is shortsighted.

On the contrary it’s FAR sighted.

Also I’m happier now without a woman than I have ever been.

I’m really happy alone.

Don’t even think about shaming me for that choice.

Enjoy your relationship for as long as it lasts.

Peace.

[wizerSpectator 19]

MACHO wrote:

What did you figure out?

My multiquotes all were attributed to “Ilearn” and I didn’t see an “Edit” button so I thought I couldn’t fix it.

The forum software is different here than VBulletin and SMF which I’m more familiar with.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

wizer wrote:

So anyway, yeah, here I am, finding myself posting in opposition to the guys who say all women are bitches and c~~~s and can’t be trusted in the least and you’re better off without them because they use sex as a bargaining chip and they only want your money and that all dating sites suck because the women are either whales or they are just after your money- because although that may be true to some extent, not ALL women are that way which is where that generalization (as do most) falls flat on it’s face.

I was saying exactly that when I joined. I still don’t think that all women are like that, just most of them. Some are better than others. But it is difficult to predict who you end up with. Aside from the red signs, women are easy to influence, and peer pressure plus the constant crap they consume from the social networks can and do change them. This may be avoided by searching only for women from strongly religious and conservative families, but it’s not a foolproof solution.

Keep in mind that you are from a different generation, in which women have a very different education. A man who is in his twenties now deals with something else. Most young women I know are phone and facebook addicts, have narcissistic tendencies, and are sexually promiscuous. Almost half of the girls in my class lost their virginity in high school, most of them until the end of the first year of college. Usually with some loser who was changing girlfriends like socks. That’s not wife material by my standards, and very far from mother material.

A guess of my chances to find a suitable partner is around 1 in 1,000 available women my age; to correct for potential future behavioral changes, it’s closer to 1 in 10,000. I will not make a compromise for less, as I don’t like to gamble with 2 decades of my life and all the suffering that may be caused to my children and also my parents. I will not accept lowering the bar and choosing a partner who will divorce me in 10 years because she got bored.

This may sound extreme, but as you say, the failure of so many marriages nowadays is a proof that the current strategy doesn’t work well. People should choose much more carefully who they mate with.

But a chance so low to find a partner might not justify the effort. Why should I pursue this? Why should I filter out thousands or tens of thousands of women? Even if I found the one, I don’t believe in romantic love, I don’t care that much about companionship, and while I’d like to have children, I can live without that.

So I try to make the most of my life by myself. I haven’t excluded marriage, but I’m not going to jump into one blindly.

And no, most women are not good women. Not good for me, that is.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[freedomParticipant 5129]

This is what I’m talking about. The sentiment on this forum is that guys cannot ever be happy in a relationship with a woman. I don’t agree. Obviously

hmmm, do you even know what Mgtow means?

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