I don't know if I belong here.

[wizerSpectator 19]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh man, a bit short sighted?

I spent 30 f~~~ing years being the good guy in a marriage, a good father and a good husband. I did it all and rarely had time for ME.

My reward, was the back of a police car and complete REMOVAL from my life based on a f~~~ing phone call, a lie.

So, now me choosing to remain single and never risk that s~~~ again is shortsighted.

On the contrary it’s FAR sighted.

Also I’m happier now without a woman than I have ever been.

I’m really happy alone.

Don’t even think about shaming me for that choice.

Not shaming you at all. I respect your decision but I can’t help thinking that you’ve given up the opportunity to meet a woman who you might actually enjoy sharing your life with.

I spent 16 years with my now ex-wife and my divorce started with a bogus Order of Protection and I was forcibly removed from my home like a criminal. So our histories are not all that different.

Where we differ is that I don’t lump all women into the same boat. Many, possibly most are like our exwifes.

But not all of them. I’m simply suggesting you don’t discount that possibility. But there’s no shame whatsoever in the choice you’ve made, at least not as far as I’m concerned.

[wizerSpectator 19]

freedom wrote:

This is what I’m talking about. The sentiment on this forum is that guys cannot ever be happy in a relationship with a woman. I don’t agree. Obviously

hmmm, do you even know what Mgtow means?

I don’t know that I completely understand it. To me it means a man maintaining his independence and not allowing a woman to get the best of him. I do not take it to mean “completely excluding women and relationships from one’s life”.

Am I wrong?

[StealthParticipant 5386]

Wizer, when you read stories like all of ours, and realize it’s essentially the same hell you went through, you realize they’re all the same. It’s not short-sighted…it’s learning. We’ve all realized that reality is different than what you describe as your lingering optimism about women, but instead it looks more like the past events you’ve been through.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Question for wizer:

If I could give you irrefutable proof that not all wild Grizzly bears will try and kill you would you then be inclined to go try and pet one???

[MACHOParticipant]

wizer wrote:

Lots of men on here seem to be women haters,

You see wizer ⬆ After such a statement I think that you will have great difficulties on here! No matter what other arguments you present!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[wizerSpectator 19]

Stealth wrote:

Wizer, when you read stories like all of ours, and realize it’s essentially the same hell you went through, you realize they’re all the same. It’s not short-sighted…it’s learning. We’ve all realized that reality is different than what you describe as your lingering optimism about women, but instead it looks more like the past events you’ve been through.

I’ve met some great women since my divorce, I’ve also met my fair share of money grubbing opportunistic parasites.

But I’m “wizer”

I do not believe they’re all the same. But just in case, I keep a few of my toes out of the pool. I will never, ever jump in with both feet unless I’m headed for my own grave.

Gives me the best of both worlds.

[StealthParticipant 5386]

Read up on the acronym AWALT. It took me a little while after my divorce to really own the idea of AWALT, but if you read about it here you’ll find the same story endlessly echoed from around the world.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[wizerSpectator 19]

Autolite wrote:

Question for wizer:

If I could give you irrefutable proof that not all wild Grizzly bears will try and kill you would you then be inclined to go try and pet one???

You’d provide irrefutable proof that grizzly bear you want me to pet won’t try to kill me?

Sure I’d pet it. Why not?

But you can’t, so I won’t.

[MACHOParticipant]

wizer wrote:

I’m “wizer”I do not believe they’re all the same. But just in case, I keep a few of my toes out of the pool. I will never, ever jump in with both feet unless I’m headed for my own grave.
Gives me the best of both worlds.

A Bit like having your cake 🎂 and eating it too!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Anonymous 13]

wizer wrote:

Not shaming you at all. I respect your decision but I can’t help thinking that you’ve given up the opportunity to meet a woman who you might actually enjoy sharing your life with.

I did enjoy sharing my life with a woman.

But she turned into a full on C~~~.

It will take me years to recover financially and I’ll never be able to retire now. I will work until I die.

So no matter how nice she may appear at first or for how long.

Risk that s~~~ again?

No, just NO.

[wizerSpectator 19]

Stealth wrote:

Read up on the acronym AWALT. It took me a little while after my divorce to really own the idea of AWALT, but if you read about it here you’ll find the same story endlessly echoed from around the world.

I get it. It’s the false generalization that brought me to this site initially because I disagree with it.

Are all guys the same too?

I know guys who are sociopaths, criminals, porn addicts, alcoholics, drug addicts, and financial parasites in their relationships with their women.

Are all men like that too?

[wizerSpectator 19]

MACHO wrote:

A Bit like having your cake 🎂 and eating it too!

Not a bit like it.

EXACTLY like it.

[Anonymous 18]

wizer wrote:

Where we differ is that I don’t lump all women into the same boat.

The real issue here is you need women to make sense of existing, to have a purpose, to feel validated. Period.

MGTOW do not.

Women can’t understand why men would forego vagina. And neither vast majority of men.

So this place is not for you.

Don’t over indulge your hamster. Search nearest theatre playing movies, take your gal out and have a fancy dinner, f~~~ her brains out, and feel like a real man.

Best wishes.

ps: You are seeking validation from men here who you respect because they have overcome the conditioning you realize has cost you in past. More importantly you are here because your current girl is less than optimal and you are looking for answers. Let’s hear it man, we won’t judge you.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Meh
Shaming men, blaming men, and NAWALT justifcations.
Perhaps this isn’t a site for you.

Good Luck

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[AutoliteParticipant]

wizer wrote:

I don’t know that I completely understand it. To me it means a man maintaining his independence and not allowing a woman to get the best of him. I do not take it to mean “completely excluding women and relationships from one’s life”.

Am I wrong?

Wizer thinks he’s smart enough to be in a relations~~~ with a woman and still be in control of the situation.

That there is ego and self delusion. It’s the most common and generally the first mistake that a guy makes…

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

wizer wrote:

Lots of men on here seem to be women haters

Here you’re wrong. I don’t hate bears, actually I like bears, but I don’t want one in my house. And I would happily share horror stories with other men if I had to deal with bears on a daily basis.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[wizerSpectator 19]

Anonymous wrote:

I did enjoy sharing my life with a woman.

But she turned into a full on C~~~.

It will take me years to recover financially and I’ll never be able to retire now. I will work until I die.

So no matter how nice she may appear at first or for how long.

Risk that s~~~ again?

No, just NO.

Why do you think you have to endure financial risk again, in order to be in a relationship with a woman?

At the risk of being repetitive

1- meet a woman who is financially independent, maybe one who has more money than you do
2- don’t comingle finances
3- never get married again.

I’m not seeing the problem here.

I’ll add that my girlfriend’s net worth is similar to what I gave to my exwife in the divorce.

If we should go the distance, it’s an even swap.

[wizerSpectator 19]

Grumpy wrote:

Meh
Shaming men, blaming men, and NAWALT justifcations.
Perhaps this isn’t a site for you.

Good Luck

You sound Grumpy.

[MACHOParticipant]

wizer wrote:

Not a bit like it.
EXACTLY like it

Do You know that in order to eat a cake 🎂 one needs to cook it first? Your statement might get you cooked well Done on here!

And my Dog 🐕 loves eating Cakes😎

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[wizerSpectator 19]

Anonymous wrote:

The real issue here is you need women to make sense of existing, to have a purpose, to feel validated. Period.

Could be. I can’t really dispute what you say there.

All I know is I enjoy having a woman in my life. Is it because I need the validation or is it because women smell nice and they have breasts and it feels really good to stick my penis inside of their mouths and vjs? Or because they feed me, and take care of me when I’m sick and because they tell me how much they love me? I guess that last part is the validation thing you speak of.

It is rather confusing, I’ll give you that much.

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