I Believe MGTOW to be wrong, or at least, misnamed

[John DoeParticipant 743]

But you missed the point my friend. The point was he *walked away*. He didn’t knock her out, he didn’t shoot her. If a *man* was in his face bothering him (of course, a man wouldn’tve been so ‘sweet’ about it as that nun was trying to be), especially during that era, it would’ve been a duel and body bag. Get it? Men treat women differently than they treat men. They react to provocations differently with women than with men. What if someone figured that out a long time ago?

What if A MAN wanted to circumvent your natural MALE reaction to his overstepping his boundaries LIKE ON YOUR SOVEREIGN FREEDOMS, so he HID in the woman? Offering her cash and prizes to take revenge on a fictional debasement of her gender? Would you still go your own way knowing you were playing right into some OTHER MAN’s plan for you? Or, asked another way, would you be on your knees following gun control?

It is better to be a man of self control rather than be a man who controls everything but himself.  A man cannot control everything.  Although I agree with the majority of your argument, the premise off controlling the outside world is futile.  This thread is evidence of that.

Hollowmile:

Regardless of his intro a lot of guys would have made the “female” accusations.

 

John, I never attacked your character man

I disagree, but I could be wrong.  Regardless of the name calling of both sides I think we can call it even.  No use me being upset.  No use you being upset.  My apologies for any insults or anything that could be interpreted as such.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

MGTOW is close to being a secular monastery in many respects.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

I could swear to God someone said they’d f~~~ off over an hour ago, and yet here we still find this bitch blahhing on. You’d think somebody’s dinner would have to be on the table soon….

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[TruthySpectator 0]

Now that the wall of text is done, can we discuss some of the ideas I’ve presented? One in particular that I don’t think is generally believed in the Manosphere is that there is NO SUCH THING as a beta male. If you’re fat, white, bald, 45 and overweight, you too are an alpha. Not like, “oh you could be one someday”. No, right now. The only difference is you’ve used that energy that separates men from women (what I call alpha or activation energy, just a name don’t worry about it) in a careless and destructive manner. But if you were told of your heritage, of what you were capable of you would be no fat overweight 45 year old. This is important. Beta males are an illusion. Alpha men (which are the only kind of men) who are tricked into not using their full capabilities are called ‘beta’ men. Like calling a car with gulf-wing doors a texoclatol doesn’t change the fact that its still a car.

How to be alpha? Simple, do whatever you want (within the voluntarism/nonaggression principle of course). I want this idea to be discussed because its clear this is a human rights violation. This idea is still probably foggy in all of your heads so let me make it real. You can’t just *mentally* trick someone into being beta. You have to change them.

There is evidence that circumcision creates permanent brain damage. A recent study, where a circumcision was performed on an infant in a hospital MRI chamber, showed the brain after circumcision never returned to its baseline configuration. The infant brain was permanently changed.”We tightly strapped an infant to a traditional plastic “circumrestraint” using Velcro restraints. We also completely immobilized the infant’s head using standard surgical tape. The entire apparatus was then introduced into the MRI chamber…

A neurologist who saw the results postulated that the data indicated that circumcision affected most intensely the portions of the victim’s brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. Follow up tests on the infant one day, one week and one month after the surgery indicated that the child’s brain never returned to its baseline configuration. In other words, the evidence generated by this research indicated that the brain of the circumcised infant was permanently changed by the surgery.”

And that’s just for starters. You get it yet? They’re not *just finding this out*. They’ve KNOWN THIS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Hello??? Anybody home yet? Wakey wakey rise and shakey. This information has been surpresssed for decades. But it was KNOWN to everyone but the people. Circumcision causes PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE. If you live in the U.S. it is likely YOU. WERE. GIVEN. PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE AS AN INFANT. Is it clicking yet gentlemen? And this is by far not the only thing that changes you from the alpha you are. The reason why there were no kings before ‘his-tory’ began was because there was no need for them. Every man was a king and his woman (women?) his queen(s). The notion of mgtow in that environs would be suicide. In this it is the only way to life, but I don’t think it will be for long.

But yes there are other ‘changes’ to you both mentally and physically that create the abomination known as the ‘beta male’. This is a human rights violation.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Now that the wall of text is done, can we discuss some of the ideas I’ve presented?

No.  Men are men it doesn’t matter race/social class/sexual orientation/religion/political party/philosophy/ etc.    Men are Men.   Simplicity is good.

[TruthySpectator 0]

Soul Man wrote:

Ok Truth…. As succinctly as possible what is YOUR solution? Legislative process? Activism? Violence? Legislative process? Yeah good luck…the process is horribly broken. The common man’s voice has been impotent in the context of government for a very long time. You must have adequate monetary resources to buy the level of justice you seek then even more money to sustain that justice. Activism? Maybe that’s what “the Man” really wants us to do…all march around with signs bitching and moaning as they laugh at us from their ivory towers. Meanwhile they toss us a token bone e.g. only confiscate 19.5% of your net income instead of 20% for child support. Then we men boast about how we “won” a victory when we didn’t win s~~~. See the “laughing from their ivory towers” previously mentioned. Violence? Again, perhaps that’s exactly what “the Man” wants so he can violently and thoroughly usurp by overwhelming force what little freedom we have left. In 50 words or less distill your solution to the problem. Remember, brevity is your friend here if you want anyone to entertain your thoughts.

Music to my ears! Well the solution is simply KILL THE BEAST.

1. Watch this documentary.

2. Open your eyes to the world as it is.

3. STOP PAYING FOR YOUR DESTRUCTION.

4. ASK WHERE YOUR MONEY COMES FROM.

5. Decentralize everything.

5.5 Learn to speed read, you’ll need it if you want to rapidly process information.

5.5.a Everyone can speed read. The Japanese/Chinese do it routinely. Your ‘education’ was merely indoctrination designed to produce subservient workers and obidient ‘beta’ drones, while the alphas were fast-tracked to the places of women; this is what women gained for selling us out.

6. Learn about all that has been hidden from you. Many hours on youtube (or a few minutes searching esoteric texts via speed reading) will have your brains blown against the wall. Remember, never fear anything!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

OK its getting obvious “TRUTHY” want to just monologue and lecture.
I can get that a Jezebel thankyouverymuch.

@truthy: Someone responds to your bulls~~~ direction, and you go off in another direction about multi-orgasms and f~~~ing 15 women in a night. Then someone responds to that and you deflect it with “alpha” this and “beta” that. Then the point you’re trying to make about punching and shooting at women fails and you come back with a wall of unrelated text….. which you can just email to yourself.

Every MGTOW has better s~~~ to do than listen to you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BellTollsParticipant 8]

Truth, personally I never did think you were not male.  And really, thanks for the compliments.  Glad I made you laugh.  And while I’m sure you have a lot of friends, and of course a lot of that has to do with the definition, I’m just as sure a huge number of people take you to be condescending.  Experience doesn’t necessarily need to be measured by the number of women a guy has laid.  Although I would not take away its importance either.  As for me, I spent 6 years with the lady I was married to for 35 starting at age 15 for a total of 41 with 1 woman.  (Had the 2nd one annulled.  In Nevada you get up to 4 years.  OMG, material misrepresentation regarding physical intimacy is a valid reason.  Whaddya know.)  While I was over 50 before I even hit #2, I can also count myself above average at this point (9+), but I have to count the hookers to make the grade.  Then again, some of those hookers…  :))

I am most certainly not fully MGTOW at this point, but I do completely understand, don’t hold it against anybody in the slightest, and in truth cheer them.  There would be no “Men On Strike” written by a woman PhD without the various movements like MGTOW rapidly gaining power and influence.  And rightfully scaring the other gender.  Not meant with any vengeance, they are quite simply reaping that which they have sown.  Never thought you were a teacher.  What I meant was you speak and think in the detached, universal idealism of academia.  Like college profs of my generation still waxing wistful about how no one’s ever executed Marx’s Communist Collectivism correctly instead of teaching their students the truth.  It is a fantasy in the real world.  Well-intentioned theory but not a snowball’s chance in hell of ever not turning into despotism in the real world.

As for not sitting in front of the computer screen as relationally broken ghosters that can’t interact in the real world?  Well some truth.  But I think more a very valid support among peers.  Spending 5 months in the Dominican Republic as so many say has done wonders for a better view of world culture.  I see human relations much more accurately now I believe.  The whole country learns how to run a con from childhood.  “Hey, mi amigo!”  Heard an 11 year old do it perfect just last week.  It will help me in doing business a great deal upon my return to the states.  And even help me to understand and resist the crocodile tears from the “fairer” gender.  I’m glad for the support of “seeing” others here.  And I hope a bit of my effort today may live on to provide perspective for some one younger than me.  For the time being, it’s time to move on.  My own way.  Adios.

[Anonymous 42]

Thanks Key, I struggle to read, I’m waiting for an eye exam, and reading glasses! “everyone can do this”, “and that”, and the “other thing”, and “speed read”!

So f~~~ing arrogant!

[GoneSoloParticipant 119]

We have changed the display name of the member who refers to himself as “The Truth” to “Truthy” because he’s not good at it and the position is already taken.

[TruthySpectator 0]

Keymaster wrote:

OK its getting obvious “TRUTHY” want to just monologue and lecture. I can get that a Jezebel thankyouverymuch. @TruthuL: Someone responds to your bulls~~~ direction, and you go off in another direction about multi-orgasms and f~~~ing 15 women in a night. Then someone responds to that and you deflect it with “alpha” this and “beta” that. Then the point you’re trying to make about punching and shooting at women fails and you come back with a wall of unrelated text….. which you can just email to yourself. Every MGTOW has better s~~~ to do than listen to you.

Sorry, the reason it seems like this is that this is not one central idea. I do not have a ‘thesis’ that I want to get out. These are several ‘streams of conscious thought’, and they can converge as easily as they diverge, but, like a tangent line, they are always connected! 😉  The point about punching doesn’t fail; the point was that if it were a man he wouldn’t put up with the guy’s s~~~, while eventually rides off into the sunset with that broad…

[Anonymous 0]

I am leaving the spot, we have a new member, ZERO. Let’s see.

Smitty already posted to him.

Bye and CHEERS!!!

[BellTollsParticipant 8]

Hey, to the rest of you.  I was writing slowly while more of this progressed.  Wow.  Gettin’ out there.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Well Truth, I think that’s exactly what MGTOW is doing…KILLING THE BEAST.  While I think most us decide what MGTOW looks like in our individual lives, I also think we have one huge commonalilty; we are removing our resources, financial and otherwise, from the equation.  We are starving the foot soldiers (women) in whatever greater consipracy may be afoot.  This will ultimately have the effect in crippling the forces behind feminism and forcing them to change strategies.  They no doubt have a contingency plan for every scenario but I think for the moment MGTOW is men’s best strategy to slay THE BEAST.  Will a course correction in strategy be required in the future?  Likely yes because most battles are dynamic and fluid.  MGTOW just happens to be the most effective strategy at our disposal at this juncture.  Starve the enemy foot soldiers (women) and it weakens their ability to fight effectively.  To compound this problem for them we are miles behind our own lines out of their sight effectively cutting off their supply lines (our financial resources).  They can’t even engage us in battle because we are a collective ghost in the night. Guerilla warfare…it’s an effective strategy for killing The Beast at this moment.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Truthy wrote:

The point about punching doesn’t fail; the point was that if it were a man he wouldn’t put up with the guy’s s~~~,

If he were a man he wouldn’t be asking another man such dumb questions like “you don’t want to get married?” after he already made it f~~~ing clear. And by your own standards unwillingness to put up with your s~~~ means you should punched in the face or shot???

In what Universe are you prepared to walk into a room full of MGTOW and say “you’re wrong“??

10,000 comedians out of work, and you’re looking for a job.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TruthySpectator 0]

@Bell Tolls, thank you for your post. I’ve heard that I can come across as condescending. I definitely have a fire about me that puts people off. But its more a stubborn desire to not submit my will to another than looking down. If you knew me you’d know I hate arrogance, incidentally, women love it. So I have to pretend I’m arrogant to get along with them better. Complimenting myself, saying I look good etc. Women genuinely respond positively to this, but to me its just a game.

I’m hoping to be less theoretical and more practical/pragmatic actually. My contention is that it is THIS society that is pie-in-the-sky idealism, not the ‘truth’ that I’m presenting (thanks to the mods for the name change btw, though I would’ve preferred ‘Truthiness” 😀 ). If you look at it you’ll see this is true; the financial sector of the entire world is built on a fairy tale of fiat currency, printing away unto infinity. Of course its a debt-backed currency, so that means INFINITE DEBT FOREVER YAY! But nobody seems to notice or care. I would say, my friend, that you and I are already inhabiting the fantasy world. If the world I describe to you with loving women and families and happiness and 15 women a night sound like a fantasy, then its probably because you and I have never really been free…adios amigo.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

PS. Your first user has been deactivated.
We will no longer paying attention to you.

You debate like a vagina.

(thanks to the mods for the name change btw, though I would’ve preferred ‘Truthiness” 😀 )

We don’t give a s~~~ “what you would prefer”. Have another bong hit.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TruthySpectator 0]

Keymaster wrote:

Well Truth, I think that’s exactly what MGTOW is doing…KILLING THE BEAST.  While I think most us decide what MGTOW looks like in our individual lives, I also think we have one huge commonalilty; we are removing our resources, financial and otherwise, from the equation.  We are starving the foot soldiers (women) in whatever greater consipracy may be afoot.  This will ultimately have effect in crippling the forces behind feminism and forcing them to change strategies.  They no doubt have a contingency plan for every scenario but I think for the moment MGTOW is men’s best strategy to slay THE BEAST.  Will a course correction in strategy be required in the future?  Likely yes because most battles are dynamic and fluid.  MGTOW just happens to be the most effective strategy at our disposal at this juncture.  Starve the enemy foot soldiers (women) and it weakens their ability to fight effectively.  To compound this problem for them we are miles behind our own lines out of their sight effectively cutting off their supply lines (our financial resources).  They can’t even engage us in battle because we are a collective ghost in the night. Guerilla warfare…it’s an effective strategy for killing The Beast atbthis moment.

Good post, good post. Yeah, as I said before, MGTOW is really the only way to slay the beast. I mean, you can’t complain about the beast while getting a mortgage, or getting married or working a taxpaying jo- oops. Starve him any way you can guys. The point of this thread was to bring light to the true enemy, this great beast. I’m not a religious man because I’ve discovered that ALL religions with undeniable historical fact were made up to control different groups of people, which is why there are so many different gods. Jesus, Buddha all of them. Which isn’t to say there is no God, just that he wouldn’t demand you become an abomination (beta) so you could sacrifice yourself on the altar of Satan to women and consumerism. Oops.

Cat’s out the bag I guess. Everyone who accepts a religious mark gets eaten by their god in the afterlife, or so I’ve read at least. So, kill your corporations (why give them money? They’re poisoning you. MGTOW are good at this), kill your alimony and child support and any extraneous tax obligation. Kill your religious payments. You don’t want to know what they do with your money, just do humanity and yourself a favor and stop paying them. The catholic church priest scandal? Hooo booy can you say tip of the iceberg lettuce, baby? But I digress…

But yeah, you guys, well-informed, are on the right path. Just don’t lose sight of the true enemy poisoning you and blasting you with sterilizing radiation while lying and telling you its safe because of no ‘thermal effects’. Jokes on us, the most dangerous effects occur at the non-thermal wavelengths. Women aren’t doing this s~~~. They aren’t poisoning the air or taking your freedoms away by legislative fiat. The more I type this the more MGTOW seems to be a limited hangout option. Present 90% of the truth (women and marriage are bulls~~~) but leave out the most important 10% (we made them that way because we know how you’d react. Things used to be better, but ‘better’ doesn’t make us money)…

[Anonymous 42]

[…Spectator 1165]

Yo ListenUp! here, been gone 90 minutes. I just saw a john doe post that said “simplicity is good.” Couldn’t believe my eyes, read it again. Hell YEAH MAN. couple weeks ago when Keymaster pointed out the futility of religious and political debates with his dad’s wisdom…ever since, and even before I’m like F~~~ YES. that s~~~ ultimately is a waste of time.I am gonna go drinking in celebration. Awesome that happened. Think I’ll go on a bombing mission with catcrunch in celebration! woo mutherf~~~ing hoo!!!!!! Smitty’s right…isn’t somebody’s dinner getting cold hahahahaha.

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