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JollyMisanthrope 4 years, 6 months ago.
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Guys,
I want to share with you what is becoming more and more common in my life – people telling me I am selfish for opting to live my life without kids and marriage.. Some even say that I will die alone as a lonely rich man. I try to explain to them that the reason I am saving a lot, living in a small apartment is that I want to retire early instead of being a corporate rat until I am 65, but few people are willing to accept my decision. I do have a good relationship with my parents in most ways, but sadly even they share this view..
Sometimes I believe people get mad because they are jealous that I have worked hard and thus able to live a debt free life without much stress or nagging. It makes me sad that people cannot accept me when they should be applauding the fact that I am 100% in control of my own life.I know the feeling. For me I want to adopt a daughter since I have bad luck with women nor do I really trust one to have a kid with because I don’t want to be paying child support and having my child away from me, but I am met with similar criticism. People tell me to just go out and find a good women or keep looking. When I point out how on dating sites I barely get any messages and women in real life don’t seem to be interested in me either I am just met with “just keep looking” People don’t accept our life styles because it is new. It goes against tradition so to many that makes it wrong. Also like you said they are probably jealous. Many of those people probably only got married because they thought they had to follow societies rules and now are wishing they hadn’t. I have heard a decent amount of women in their 40’s and 50’s say they regret getting married when they were younger.
Nothing wrong with doing things different. I don’t want to have to worry about some women taking my daughter and money from me and you don’t want to have a wife or children because it doesn’t go with your life style. Let people call you whatever they want. You will be living happy while they aren’t.
Ever since I ended up /got stuck watching the film “Knocked up” during a TV zapping session, I’ve now completely gone off the whole idea as well and most presumably for good. Now, since I was single during most of my adult life, my left over mom seems to have mostly accepted that choice of my life, even though she doesn’t currently know yet, that I am GMOW and eventually I will have to tell her this arguably (in her eyes) “harsh” truth. But again, since my brother had been squeezed through the whole marriage and divorce mill with all of it’s ugly consequences and I do know of a few other men, in part close friends of mine who had been there, too, by now my resolve is stronger than ever not to do the same as in put myself through the same s~~~. Not even if I indeed might get rich enough some day, which is no longer even an main aspiration of mine. The only advantage that was going to bring would be that I probably could live in a bit more relaxed kind of way, but other than that, well …
Anyway the above mentioned film I guess quite accurately describes the female nature spot on, personified by the two main female characters. This is an especially scary and rude variation of a female phantasy “romantic comedy” taken one step further with regards to men and I couldn’t laugh one single time about it first time I happened to watch it, as it was both catering for women’s inane phantasies and at the same time portraying two of the most pathetic manginas imaginable as the two main male characters. After all I have only heard about the movies “Gone Girl” and/or “50 shades of grey”, albeit knowing that these are also just fictional films I shall spare myself to ever watch any of those two.
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
I have trained people to not tell me their business.
What they are presenting can be considered an offer.
I present a counter-offer that presents an obligation to them e.g.
You are cheap for not wanting to pay for children
OK, you pay for them.You are being paranoid about divorce
I see; will you cover the costs if it is so improbable?You will die alone…
How about you be there when I die if you are so concerned?I GIVE UP!!! )(*&^)*&_#)W*($&_^Y
Conversation is like a game of tennis, as is negotiation. One must keep the ball in the opponent’s court: the more it is on his side, the more likely one can trip him up.
“I want to share with you what is becoming more and more common in my life – people telling me I am selfish for opting to live my life without kids and marriage.” FIRST, It was the selfish financial and more, slaughtering of men by wahhmen, that led to this. To my knowledge, you aren’t required to tell anyone that you’re MGTOW. The amperage lies in the fact that wahhmen can’t find victims anymore due to the exodus. Some even say that I will die alone as a lonely rich man. Would they prefer you to die alone as a poor man? Divorced by the female in 80% of divorces, rinse and repeat til you’re on the street. I try to explain to them that the reason I am saving a lot, living in a small apartment is that I want to retire early instead of being a corporate rat until I am 65, but few people are willing to accept my decision. The only person that has to accept that decision is you. If you try to ‘explain’ the best you’ll achieve is back up to sea level, a pat on the head, and them looking forward to the next chance to make you explain yourself, each time you do, they’re training you. Ignore them and, Who cares? Guess who they’ll try to borrow money from. I do have a good relationship with my parents in most ways, but sadly even they share this view.. Your parents had the luxury of growing up through a vastly different timeframe. You’d be a fool to ignore this in your decisions. When anyone (your parents) has a kid, it’s as though a new computer section slammed into their brain. It can be pulled down by having a lousy mom, dad, or both. However, for most it’s an immediately different mindset. Before, I never heard babies crying, unless it was LOUD, after kids, you can’t not hear it. Your parents have to try to look at it from your actual reality. Your trying to look at it from their experience will help you to understand them, but will never change them.
Sometimes I believe people get mad because they are jealous that I have worked hard and thus able to live a debt free life without much stress or nagging. Apples and oranges, they’re looking at the outcome, not the cause, how convenient for them. A guy comes running out of the woods, completely out of breath, people point and say, “You’re out of shape!” Rather than looking up and seeing the sky half covered with smoke from the inferno you barely escaped, “Well, it wasn’t on fire decades ago, so I’ll assume it isn’t now, No, you’re just out of shape.” They probably think you don’t know how fulfilling it is to raise a child, and you are correctly thinking they don’t know what it’s like to successfully blow your f~~~ing brains out like ###########’s men have when stripped of their kids by a court backed witch. It makes me sad that people cannot accept me when they should be applauding the fact that I am 100% in control of my own life. You can’t allow it to ‘make’ you anything. Consider your audience. Here, you are being applauded and accepted. When a wahhman divorces you, are these same people going to say, “sorry, I was wrong, here’s several hundred thousand to help you move to where your kids are, and out of a box and into a home? From “Predatory Female,” the guys that are married have the look on their faces like a toddler who just crapped their pants….they know something’s wrong, not what = the inlaws and outlaws that tell you how to live IAW their opinion."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Anonymous42I am just met with “just keep looking” People don’t accept our life styles because it is new.
@Bard, why should you be made into some kind of villain because you refuse to bob for terds in a barrel of s~~~?
I am GMOW and eventually I will have to tell her this arguably (in her eyes) “harsh” truth.
@Ned, the harsh truth is in there court, not ours, the truths are unmistakable and undeniable! Divorce rates, boys are broken girls (education system), The prison industry, legal industry, gynocentric media, a slew of man crushing laws, including the narcissistic attitude of modern women, MGTOW is not a movement, it’s an organic reaction to the suffering and discrimination against men. “Where are all the good men?” 1st off, they are better than good! 2nd, they’re using there intellect over emotion to cast off “all the bad women”. the question should be “where are all the good women”, answer: destroyed by the parasitic and false perceptions of feminism; “there are none”.
Anonymous0people telling me I am selfish for opting to live my life without kids and marriage..
This people have kids and are married. What do they know about selfishness, when they decided to live the way they do? What has been before they got children and got married? Weren’t they not selfish then, or did they just marry to quieten their conscience? Most of these people are just envious. They wish that they were not married and maybe they wish that they have no kids or kids without a partner. No need to argue with them.
I will die alone
Everyone dies alone. No one will voluntarily come with you along the last road.
It makes me sad that people cannot accept me when they should be applauding the fact that I am 100% in control of my own life.
It will make you happy when you expect nothing.
Carpe Diem!!!
Anonymous0the question should be “where are all the good women”, answer: destroyed by the parasitic and false perceptions of feminism; “there are none”.
YES!!! Sad but true.
Carpe Diem!
Sometimes I believe people get mad because they are jealous that I have worked hard and thus able to live a debt free life without much stress or nagging.
I agree 100%.
They don’t want to put in the work to earn it, and are envious/jealous/mad that you did.
Anonymous42It will make you happy when you expect nothing.
I was intellectually attacked by one of my relatives for saying/believing “expect nothing in return; when you receive something you value, you value that person much more”, his philosophy is to expect something in return, he’s the type to condemn people for not reading his mind, or doing his will. I no longer communicate with him. I was condemned by him, and x communicated. Nobody likes him, many people have untethered hatred for him, he calls himself a christian, and goes to church regularly. The same church the preacher man abandoned his wife and children and took another man’s wife and child; and I’m the asshole? I have no use for religion, however I do retain faith, no matter how fragmented it appears to my logic. I have questions that can not be answered by logic, I await the answers by faith…
Anonymous0his philosophy is to expect something in return, he’s the type to condemn people for not reading his mind, or doing his will.
I hate those people. What do they think who they are ? They are just good enough to bring you in bad trouble by telling you that it is your fault. I always feel to punch them in their wimpy sick kisser. God bless, I have no co-workers like this.
Carpe Diem!
You are selfish and cheap. And those are two attributes that are not bad at all. They are only bad for a person who is even MORE selfish and cheap than you are, who wants you to pay more than your negotiated share.
Everyone is selfish, cheap, and lazy and cowardly. These attributes are used to shame people PRECISELY BECAUSE they are our true nature. In society, we are asked to a greater or lesser degree to suppress our true nature, and when it shows through, people call it out, as though it should not exist.
Women can be cheap, selfish, lazy and cowardly and still be beautiful, precious women. Their true natures are accepted, because of the bargaining power that comes with having a uterus.
The problem males have is that we have absolutely NOT OUTLET FOR OUR TRUE NATURES because we have bargained it all away as the price of admission into society.
We have to pretend to be the opposite of who we really are, or face complete rejection.
MGTOW is about facing that rejection, rather than bargaining in an environment that tries to make us give up everything.
I try to explain to them that the reason I am saving a lot, living in a small apartment is that I want to retire early instead of being a corporate rat until I am 65, but few people are willing to accept my decision. @experienced – The only person that has to accept that decision is you. If you try to ‘explain’ the best you’ll achieve is back up to sea level, a pat on the head, and them looking forward to the next chance to make you explain yourself, each time you do, they’re training you. Ignore them and, Who cares? Guess who they’ll try to borrow money from.
DO NOT LEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD NOT TO HAVE IT PAID BACK! DO NOT LEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD NOT TO HAVE IT PAID BACK! DO NOT LEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD NOT TO HAVE IT PAID BACK! DO NOT LEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD NOT TO HAVE IT PAID BACK! DO NOT LEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD NOT TO HAVE IT PAID BACK!
I would memorize this rule as I have learned from painful personal experience the truth of it. I’m not talking about $10 or $20, I’m talking about an amount that gives you pause and only you can know what that amount is. The problem is that you naturally want to help family and friends, and they know it, but no matter what they promise it doesn’t always match with what happens afterwards, and the longer they owe you the money without paying it back the further they’ll distance themselves from you to avoid feeling uncomfortable. Instead of having them appreciate you even more they will do the opposite. It’s far better to tell them no, you simply don’t lend and keep it simple, and no matter how much they plead realize that if they cannot get the money from a bank or THEIR family then something’s amiss, combined with the fact that they haven’t saved the money they need to borrow from you, a responsible man. The temporary discomfort from saying no will far outweigh the possible permanent loss of whatever money you’ve loaned. And if the person asking treats you differently from then on then you will realize they aren’t the person you thought they were. Also, word of your loan will surely spread through family and related friends and the deadbeats and losers among them will have you on speed dial for the next time they need easy money.
This link pretty well describes the pitfalls of loaning money – read the comments after the article for confirmation:
http://www.moneycrashers.com/why-you-should-not-lend-money-to-friends-and-family/
Selfish & cheap? I’m hearing cautious, forward-thinking and self-preserving. This is the pinnacle of MGTOW. If you have no one to worry about but you, how can you be selfish? If you’re saving money for personal use, how can you be cheap? Seems to me you’ve got it under control.
Nedlah,
As soul man puts it, “You only catch flak when you’re over the target”… this is a reference to air force bomber crews to remind themselves that the antiaircraft flak they are experiencing, while unpleasant, is also a reassurance that they are correctly executing a mission.I’m 48 years old and have had some of that myself. I’m professionally successful, debt free, healthy, hetero’ etc, so I’m supposed to be a prime ‘catch’. I got a lot more of it when I was younger. But if you wait it out until early 40s, it wears off as they slowly quietly give up trying. One escaped slave from the planation is worth some effort to recover, but if he stays gone for long enough, it is no longer worth the effort to keep trying to recover him.
In response to the comments like the ones you are getting now, my thoughts were always, “I don’t OWE a relationship with me to any person…and I do not owe the benefits of a relationship with me to any person…”. But that isn’t what I said to them. I was always suspicious of the reasons for the uninvited questions from people into my personal life. I never believed they were asking because they were concerned enough about me to do anything about what they perceived as some sort of weakness in me. They weren’t going to buy drinks for my dates, or houses for my wives. They weren’t asking because they had some secret access to a bunch of worthy women that they were going to generously introduce me to. They were asking because they were pursuing something for themselves.
They wanted me to give them what they saw as a crappy reason for my decisions to as to reassure them for their own decision. I believe most of them made the decision to get married because they were following the herd. Then, after doing so without making the effort to think on it for themselves, for one of the biggest decisions any of us makes in this life, they wanted me to validate that decision for them after the fact.
They may have wanted me to give them a really good reason for my decision that they had not yet thought of themselves. But given a list of very good reasons they had not ever considered, none of them really had the b~~~~ to walk away from the herd and what they would now realize to be the bad decision they’d made for themselves. Pointing out all ways in which the benefits do not justify the risks would have changed nothing for them or for me. So any answer you can I could give to those intrusive questions would either be useless to them, or useless to us.
Realizing this, and arriving at the belief that intrusive questions about things that were really none of their business did not necessarily warrant me to tell them the truth, whole truth and nothing but… I started to change my answer some. In response to ‘why aren’t you married?’, I have started to just answer according to the person who was asking.
Asked by a married man, I would answer, “Well, you know… all the good ones are taken… we can’t all be as lucky as you…”. Though I didn’t really believe that, what’s the harm in offering a glass of ice water to my brother who’s standing in hell…? 😛
Asked by a married female, I would sigh, stare off into space and slowly give this answer with a pained expression on my face, “Well, a good woman is hard to find…” as though I’d really been trying but pathetically failing to join up with the plantation. When you’re offering a glass of ice water to your brother in hell, and Satan invites you in, you yell from a distance, “I’m on my way… ‘be there in a minute… no need to come tracking me… no need to worry… I’m really trying… ‘moving as fast as I can… ‘just a little longer…”. Basically, “no need to chase me. I’m not worth the effort as I’m already on my way…go chase someone else. ANYTHING TO STALL AND THROW THAT BITCH OFF MY TRAIL WHILE I QUIETLY RUN THE OTHER WAY AS FAST AS I CAN… 😛
When asked by a single man, I smile and answer, “I’m holding auditions at my place every Saturday night… so far, no contenders… but the auditions continue…”. Then I ask, “why aren’t YOU married?”. A married man inviting me to hell is one thing. A single man suggesting that I go ahead of him is a different story.
When asked by a single woman, I would see that as the trap or the veiled challenge to a confrontation that it usually is, and answer, “Well, the RIGHT woman is hard to find… not as easy as I thought… Lots of good women out there, but finding the right one is tough… blah blah blah…”. The most important word in the answer is ‘right’. If you say “a ‘good’ woman is hard to find” to a married woman, she takes it as a complement that her hubby is lucky to have her, which is what she already believes and wants to continue to hear anyway. If you say that to a single woman, she can take it as the insulting reality that it is and escalate the challenge… demanding to know what your definition of a good’ woman is… etc etc.
To the single woman, all women are prizes that any man should feel lucky to have. Let her keep believing that. She isn’t going to give it up no matter what you say, so don’t waste those minutes of your life on it. But using the words “right woman” is important because it conveys the message that she is NOT that woman. When pressed beyond that point by a single woman for my definition of ‘right’, my answer was, “Why are you so interested? Are you thinking about getting on your knee, offering me a ring and proposing?”.
I can pretty much promise you that asking that question to a single female, especially in front of her friends, will guarantee that it never comes up from her again… 🙂
If you get the question in any kind of work place environment, from anyone of any marital status, go with the answer for a married female. It shuts down the conversation, gets you off the radar, and gives them the validation that they were looking for, but not honest enough to just come out and ask for directly. You have nothing to gain and much to risk from answering that question honestly in a workplace environment.
Unless you are in the engine room of a combat ship, the depths of a mine, or in the ditches of an oilfield somewhere, it is highly unlikely that your workspace is not already infected with the gynocentric fog that permeates most workspaces in the developed world.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
To the single woman, all women are prizes that any man should feel lucky to have. Let her keep believing that. She isn’t going to give it up no matter what you say, so don’t waste those minutes of your life on it. But using the words “right woman” is important because it conveys the message that she is NOT that woman.
If you get the question in any kind of work place environment, from anyone of any marital status, go with the answer for a married female. It shuts down the conversation, gets you off the radar, and gives them the validation that they were looking for, but not honest enough to just come out and ask for directly. You have nothing to gain and much to risk from answering that question honestly in a workplace environment.
BrainPilot nailed this one right there. I’ve used this strategy on a number of occasions it is extremely effective, play in to their whole “the one is out there” mindset while robbing them of the complaint that you don’t have her right now. It’s an honest answer if you ask me, I’m just not adding in that I don’t happen to believe there is any “right woman” out there.
When pressed beyond that point by a single woman for my definition of ‘right’, my answer was, “Why are you so interested? Are you thinking about getting on your knee, offering me a ring and proposing?”. I can pretty much promise you that asking that question to a single female, especially in front of her friends, will guarantee that it never comes up from her again…
Can’t believe I didn’t think of that one. Though I have gone a step beyond. On one occasion I went with “because these day marriage is for losers and getting married is what makes you a looser”. … Don’t use that one, or under the principal of “don’t s~~~ where you eat” save it for after your retired. While fast and effective it’s confrontational and the young ladies really don’t like that one. It puts you in the position of being the killer of dreams. Especially in your current age bracket where they’re at their most desperate for it.
So people are not asking you about your love life because they genuinely care about your life and opinions. They’re asking you because they want you to validate their life and opinions. Brain Pilot you are a f~~~ing genius! and you’re also old you old wise man lol.
[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]
If I am “selfish” for not allowing some c~~~ to steal my wealth and children, then I thank you very much for the compliment, bitches.
Anonymous0@Total Lee
that’s the right Statement. Let them in your life, and you’ll see who is selfish.
Carpe Noctem!!!
Truth Bomb Detonating:
Let them in your life, and you’ll see who is selfish.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
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