How female manipulation works.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

There isn’t going to be an introduction for this thread and I’m just going to go straight into it:

 

You’re in an argument. She says something that is full of holes, ie, deceit and untruthfulness. Now you start picking those holes one by one. But suddenly, she derives something from the previous sentence or says a completely new sentence that is also full of holes. And another one! So now you have over a dozen different holes to work with. You start forgetting the holes, and manipulation starts working it’s magic. Sentence upon sentence creates an falseness that could only be described as a monstrosity.

 

Remember, your instinct is your friend. The very moment you sense that she’s trolling you, you need to tune out. Women are fascinating. How do they know how to do this? It boggles my mind!

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Females and logic do not mix. Their tactics are to confuse, shift goalposts, and shame.

The best way to win is not to argue with them. Barring that, my modus operandi is as follows:
1) sum the arguments and facts up in one sentence, two at most
2) after they formulate a counter-argument, repeat the sentence
3) repeat 2 until they are worn down

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Females and logic do not mix. Their tactics are to confuse, shift goalposts, and shame. The best way to win is not to argue with them. Barring that, my modus operandi is as follows: 1) sum the arguments and facts up in one sentence, two at most 2) after they formulate a counter-argument, repeat the sentence 3) repeat 2 until they are worn down

I disagree. They understand logic (although they may be inferior in terms of logical deduction) and they also know what they’re doing. Whatever their end goal may be…. to confuse, shame or shift goalposts….. it doesn’t matter because your instinct is telling you that it’s untrue and full of holes. And you’re right, there’s no point in reasoning with her at that time. I don’t think there’s any point in repeating the sentence because she already knows what you’re saying the first time. I’d just leave.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

RedPillDETOX wrote:

You’re in an argument. She says something that is full of holes, ie, deceit and untruthfulness. Now you start picking those holes one by one. But suddenly, she derives something from the previous sentence or says a completely new sentence that is also full of holes. And another one! So now you have over a dozen different holes to work with.

Ha haaaa well RedPillDETOX, one can only presume that she probably in this case expects you to ever so skillfully pick out each and every “hole” she has just planted, one by one, and turn each and every one of them “holes” straight into pearls and string ’em up onto a collier or necklace to gently hang it around her neck with your own wits and a genuine lovely smile on your face and most importantly all of that without her even noticing it happening, which of course is virtually impossible to accomplish, since she already was expecting just that to be done for her in the first place, right..?

In short: “A man can never please any woman enough…”     hence —> any manipulation from her end is just another kind of sodding typical though irrelevant bs.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Loose NutsParticipant 37]

RedPillDETOX wrote:

Remember, your instinct is your friend. The very moment you sense that she’s trolling you, you need to tune out. Women are fascinating. How do they know how to do this? It boggles my mind!

They don’t “know how to do this”. That’s giving them too much credit. It’s not intentional, they’re literally that scattered.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Just because they understand logic does not mean that they use logic, at least when it is not advantageous to them in the course of an informal debate.

If one is arguing with someone alone, I would normally walk away and maybe flip the bird, but if others are present, that would result in losing face. Sticking to an argument and not addressing the opponent’s nonsense is the best way to avoid that.

RedPillDETOX wrote:

I disagree. They understand logic (although they may be inferior in terms of logical deduction) and they also know what they’re doing. Whatever their end goal may be…. to confuse, shame or shift goalposts….. it doesn’t matter because your instinct is telling you that it’s untrue and full of holes. And you’re right, there’s no point in reasoning with her at that time. I don’t think there’s any point in repeating the sentence because she already knows what you’re saying the first time. I’d just leave.

[Loose NutsParticipant 37]

RedPillDETOX wrote:

I disagree. They understand logic (although they may be inferior in terms of logical deduction) and they also know what they’re doing.

I have to disagree. Again, it’s generally not intentional to simply manipulate. They do not know the difference between what they “want” and reality (logic). They think that what they “want” is real (to them) and will go to any lengths to justify it.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Loose Nuts wrote:

They don’t “know how to do this”. That’s giving them too much credit. It’s not intentional, they’re literally that scattered.

haha, that could be true, but I’m pretty damn sure they know what they’re doing. At least, for the most part.

 

Ned Trent wrote:

Ha haaaa well RedPillDETOX, one can only presume that she probably in this case expects you to ever so skillfully pick out each and every “hole” she has just planted, one by one, and turn each and every one of them “holes” straight into pearls and string ‘em up onto a collier or necklace to gently hang it around her neck with your own wits and a genuine lovely smile on your face and most importantly all of that without her even noticing it happening, which of course is virtually impossible to accomplish, since she already was expecting just that to be done for her in the first place, right..? In short: “A man can never please any woman enough…” hence —> any manipulation from her end is just another kind of sodding typical though irrelevant bs.

I didn’t get the joke. But I’m pretty sure it’s like a s~~~ test. They want you to trust your instincts like an alpha and ignore it.

[Sky-OParticipant 18934]

Clitoral Manipulation always involves:

Attempting to alter reality and reinvent history

Pathological Lying

A warped and delusional hold on facts (often morphing into fantasy combined with the above listed pathological lying)

Use of a vagina to negotiate and set terms and conditions that no man with a reasonable understanding of how to masturbate would settle for.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Just because they understand logic does not mean that they use logic, at least when it is not advantageous to them in the course of an informal debate. If one is arguing with someone alone, I would normally walk away and maybe flip the bird, but if others are present, that would result in losing face. Sticking to an argument and not addressing the opponent’s nonsense is the best way to avoid that.

Yeah, that’s true. Though, she’s already lost face by spewing bulls~~~. If others can’t see it, f~~~ them!

[Loose NutsParticipant 37]

Look at it this way….. A very wise friend of mine boiled it down to a perfectly simple explanation. It frustrates both of us that women seem to be being given undue credit for being able to socially outwit and manipulate men. After much analysis, neither of us believe this is the case (even with our bias).

His explanation was: “It’s not that they are that capable, it’s that they are literally liars.” You can’t have a direct, honest and linear conversation with that. It’s the same as the saying “you can’t have a rational conversation with an irrational person”.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Loose Nuts wrote:

Look at it this way….. A very wise friend of mine boiled it down to a perfectly simple explanation. It frustrates both of us that women seem to be being given undue credit for being able to socially outwit and manipulate men. After much analysis, neither of us believe this is the case (even with our bias). His explanation was: “It’s not that they are that capable, it’s that they are literally liars.” You can’t have a direct, honest and linear conversation with that. It’s the same as the saying “you can’t have a rational conversation with an irrational person”.

That’s not true. When women are not in this manipulation mode, they can be very nice and rational. Think about it, they are illogical because it helps them manipulate men. They can socially outwit us because of all the illusions they created to make society this way in the first place.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

Guys, guys guys, stop.

Women use consensus to “create” truth, they don’t know what the truth is, they really don’t. It’s not that they are necessarily pathological in their lying, deception is their nature. They are disassociated with the truth. This is at the very heart of why they are eternally dissatisfied. This is linked to their hypergamy, it is needed for them to be able to leave a man without guilt. Women may not be as smart or strong as men, but they are cunning.

You keep thinking that women think the same way men do, HUGE F~~~ING MISTAKE. It might never occur to some women that they aren’t entitled to whatever they can get away with. Which in today’s modern western society’s is a lot. They have been raised to believe they are pretty little princess’ that will throw a tantrum and take from whomever they see fit. They are spoiled, and there is nothing we can do at this point to stop their little feminist hissy-fit but walk away.

You want avoid women as much as you can, and assume you are about to be manipulated at any time. I wish it weren’t this way, but it is. Dealing women is dangerous, if you have to do it on you own terms and be prepared to duck and run quickly.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Most female manipulation is like poker.  A woman doesn’t show her hand and does a lot of bluffing.  However, this variety of poker also requires a marked deck as well as the right to change the rules whenever she feels like it.  Therefore, just when you think you’re about to win, you find you’re playing a different game and it’s up to you to figure out which.  (You mean you didn’t know that there are basketb~~~~ in poker?  In the women’s variety, there just might be…..)

 

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Actually is a lot easier then you think.

They take what you say, and Flip it.

Examples:
You: I don’t want to get married
Her: you don’t want to marry me, you don’t love me?

You: Why are you flirting with other guys?
Her: Why? You don’t trust me?

This why women want you to talk first.
This why women want you to initiate.
Or they ask a question to get things moving.
If you really think about it, the arguments you have with, they don’t say much, see above example. A lot of what she says during a argument, is actually coming from you, they just word it differently. Most of the time, men are during all the work in a argument. Then if that doesn’t work this is when they start to “cry.” But only if manipulation fails. This is also the reason why men have troubles or don’t understand women, because she’s really not communicating anything to you.

When they belittle you its through your actions or behavior.

Example:
You do something she doesn’t approve of.
Her: Why did you do that? Are you stupid? Your retarded!

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

bigboy83 wrote:

Actually is a lot easier then you think. They take what you say, and Flip it. Examples: You: I don’t want to get married Her: you don’t want to marry me, you don’t love me? You: Why are you flirting with other guys? Her: Why? You don’t trust me? This why women want you to talk first. This why women want you to initiate. Or they ask a question to get things moving. If you really think about it, the arguments you have with, they don’t say much, see above example. A lot of what she says during a argument, is actually coming from you, they just word it differently. Most of the time, men are during all the work in a argument. Then if that doesn’t work this is when they start to “cry.” But only if manipulation fails. When they belittle you its through your actions or behavior. Example: You do something she doesn’t approve of. Her: Why did you do that? Are you stupid? Your retarded!

Yeah they want you to make the first move so that they don’t end up looking stupid and if anyone does, it’s you. If they try and belittle you, so what? You know it’s just bulls~~~. They’re going to do it because they CAN.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

It’s not about how much more able women are at manipulating men, how “smart” they are at social maneuvering,  it’s about how much the rules of the game have changed.  Men’s strengths have been undermined, society is set up to punish strength and aggression, and reward manipulative derisive behavior.  Political correctness is related to feminism and both have been established for the interests of social corruption.

Men have been corruptly indoctrinated from childhood, to believe false social constructs .  The reason it is difficult to win an argument against a woman is the same reason that a shark would prefer to fight a lion in the ocean, whereas the lion would prefer that fight in the desert.

I pinched this example to illustrate my point.  I would prefer to argue with a woman in that time.

/forums/topic/bitch-behaviour/#post-29323

Quote didn’t work so posted the link.

Smitty the Great One wrote:

how to Bitch Regulate …. with Ronald Reagan

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When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The vagina is basically a very unstable upside-down mini-volcano…. which is going to create irregular patterns and explosions.

This is must read for anyone who hasn’t: /dont-argue-with-women/

Smitty the Great One wrote:

You keep thinking that women think the same way men do, HUGE F~~~ING MISTAKE.

Yes. To Smitty, you listen. You are giving women too much credit and talking about them like they have a “skill”. It’s not a skill because it’s done instictively, and her only game is “how long can I talk before this motherf~~~er snaps”. I catch women in manipulations all the time and tell them straight out “Not falling for that one”. Just suckering me into a debate is a manipulation in itself. “What do you mean?” she says, like she was completely unaware of what she was trying to do. And they are.

Most of them don’t even realize it.

For the serious BIG manipulations she will STOP AT NOTHING when you bust her:
/video/vasectomy-baby-trap/

There are no rules. She has no skills. She has no brains. She is not driven by logic. She sure APPEARS to be friendly but even that is a lie. When you expose her lie you will find out how much she really hates you – and always did. Your own wife will hate you so much, she will get pregnant without your knowledge or consent and think you’re supposed to be “happy”…. and she doesn’t even think she’s doing anything wrong!!

Thinking women think like men is like playing roulette with a loaded chamber.
She has no rules. No code. No honor.

…… and that’s when she’s your WIFE.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

RedPillDETOX wrote:

They understand logic

Women understand logic like a fish understands a bicycle.

At most she recognizes the word and has a purely academic understanding of the concepts beneath it.  Men know they are right in an argument when the facts and reasoning support their position.  Women “know” they are right because they feel they are right.  When you bring up facts and reasoning that disprove their feelings, they simply shift the goalposts.  Or accuse you of hurting their feelings.  Or whatever, because the important thing in an argument to them is feeling as though they’ve “won”.  It’s never ever about determining the objective truth.

Which is why you simply need to take the truth and rub their noses in it, rinse, repeat, and not give a damn how they feel about it.  Which isn’t really arguing, but is effective.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

A great man once said “teaching women logic is like trying to smell the color 9”. Talk to women directly. Mean what you say. Say what you mean. Sugarcoat nothing. They can’t handle it. It’s the most disarming thing and she will never win. They run from directness like kryptonite.

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