How female manipulation works.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Regrettably, for my work I have to have contact with a few women. I can honestly say that even with the “smarter” ones, one can always detect the underlying pull of their vagenda, the desire to make any professional conversation about them, the desire to use men – including me – to validate their views. I cannot avoid this in my line of work.

But in casual conversation or socializing, I tend if at all possible to avoid women completely. I cannot stand their idiocy and, as some of the guys here have aptly put it, their constant shifting of the goalposts. From reading everyone else’s posts and some of the other forum topics, it strikes me that as the movement grows, hopefully we will one day see MGTOW private men-only clubs where we can meet, talk, maybe play a game or two of pool, without having to put up with the intrusive and banal presence of women and their conversation-destroying “skillset.”

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

The most effectively I’ve ever ended an argument with a woman was more than 10 years ago when I still pursued long term romantic relationships with women. I was dating an Italian girl who aspired to live up to all the stereotypes of being overly emotional and dramatic. We were both intuitive and quickly figured out how to read the other. I could tell the point at which she figured out that I’m a fairly non-confrontational person and found drama and strife unpleasant. As soon as she did, she got suddenly much more ambitious about escalating that crap. The first two times, it worked and she got her way. The third time, I could sense the expectation of success in her voice when she started to escalate.

I stood still, stayed quiet and didn’t respond. I’d learned that no matter how nuts they are getting, sooner or later, they are going to need a response from you. When she finished her rant, which was particularly insulting and aggressive (on the expectation of ‘winning’ again), I took a slow deep breath and just kind of relaxed all over. I picked up my car keys and then I very calmly said, “We are less than 60 seconds from the end of this relationship. You probably only have time to speak to me one more time. What you say next can push that deadline up, or back…”.

Then I just stared down at my watch and listened to the crickets…

Winning the argument for whatever she wants at the moment is often not as important to her as keeping you around for all the other things she intends to take from you. As KM pointed out in another post, they may not be all that smart, but every one of them knows how to count!

Denying them what they want right now, but still allowing the promise of the chance to get more from you at some point in the future, is a tricky balance, and the closest to tolerable that interactions with them ever are.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[ironheartParticipant 942]

Dealing with female manipulation in conversation is simple.  Ascertain why she is talking to you in the first place.  If you suspect manipulation then challenge her to prove her case.  Have no detailed response to her at all. Either agree or disagree with any point she makes.  Do not give her any ammunition to twist you in the wind with.

Let her talk herself out of the emotional spurt she is in.  Do not try to apply reason or solution to anything she tries to present to you in the discussion.  She is not looking for answers at that stage. She is simply spewing or in need of control.

When she is exhausted the verbal parade of things she wants to say ( if she is still rational at that point),  then you can speak to her without her need to force you to agree with her.  If she is not willing to talk past that point, then she does not want solutions, logic, or answers. She is trying to get you to agree with her no matter what.  As the other poster said, she “needs” you to agree with her, and needs to be reminded that you will not be bullied into thinking anything she wants.

Do not say you disagree. Just tell her she is wrong, and her thinking needs work.  If she is any bit logical or smart, she will go off and think about that.  Congratulations, you just out manipulated her by not letting her manipulate you.   Sometimes the best defense is just a non-aggressive offensive.

Remember, you are not the one who needs to win the argument, she does.  Sometimes the best way to win the game is simply not to play.

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[Anonymous 11]

RedPillDETOX wrote:

Remember, your instinct is your friend

If I could only go back to young CPig and tell him this.

Smitty the Great One wrote:

You want avoid women as much as you can, and assume you are about to be manipulated at any time. I wish it weren’t this way, but it is. Dealing women is dangerous, if you have to do it on you own terms and be prepared to duck and run quickly.

So damn true. Everything and anything they say is a potential lie for manipulative purposes.

MGTOWhomo wrote:

private men-only clubs

They have been undermining these every chance they get. Thanks white knights!!!!!!

BrainPilot wrote:

I’m a fairly non-confrontational person and found drama and strife unpleasant.

As am I. However, women often mistake this quality for weakness. I love the look on their faces when the velvet glove comes off the iron fist. I do not submit, period!

I was once told that I’m like a piece of iron by one woman. Which actually proved that she was trying to manipulate me for her own malicious purposes. I would not have even gained anything by allowing myself to be manipulated by her on this particular occasion too.

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Do you ever hear Chinese, Russian or African men from Africa complaining about how women always win the argument? No because they still have their masculinity. Just like some western men do (Tom Leykis comes to mind). They are not affected by the pervasive gynocentrism that is not only aimed at female superiority but also at demonizing and thus demoralizing and disempowering men. It all starts from childhood when the education system and media cripple boys.

 

Today I can’t f~~~ing argue with a woman because someone can always jump in to her rescue with “You can’t talk to her like that!” and I’m at her mercy because she can manipulate other guys who are fed with gynocentric ideology to come at me and partake in the downright dumbass shaming. Society has started to value people who are cunning and manipulative. That’s ANOTHER problem. If I was alone in a room, then I could easily argue by keeping her in line using the threat to leave. However I myself would have some problems having grown up and conforming to this gynocentric land. I wish I was born in a previous era! The older guys here are so lucky to have been raised in a male way, and not like women. To have those same masculine values that we see almost exclusively in older men today.

 

F~~~ing gynocentrism. F~~~ing women!!

[kbbroilerParticipant 886]

Awesome thread. This is why I don’t talk to most women. I do feel sorry for guy who are older and have fallen victim to this. I’m 43 and the light went on in my early 30’s. Through this I just made up my mind women weren’t meant to have conversations with. It’s too much B.S that goes along with it. I’ll just keep ghosting through life I don’t care!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I know this is an old used up expression but do you know how I know if a woman is lying? Because her lips are moving.

Do you tell the dog the truth or do you just order it around. Sit, stay, go, come. You might even talk to it. Your a good dog, look at how well you listen or your a bad dog. Come over here and let me rub your nose in your bad deed and wack you on the but.

Women share only 85% of the genes with men and women have always, always, felt that they own the future because they birth the babies.

They literally think they are the master race because they give rise to the next generation and are skilled at manipulating these offspring though violence and emotional abuse. Think I’m exaggerating? Women are incarcerated for hitting children at an 80% increase rate over men.

Women see us as above pack mules but below the family dog.

Men just have to big ego’s to see that half the population despises them like slave owners in the south despised the blacks they depended on for the bread and butter and clothes they had on their back.

Female manipulation is the way they’ve trained us from birth not to see the elephant in the living room I’ve described above.

And the only way to play is not to play, and why do we have to? Because they said so, because we want children? Use a surrogate. If you won’t then you really don’t want some stranger woman taking them someday. Your feelings will be hurt.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Break_PointParticipant 10]

This morning, as I was driving my 18 year old daughter to high-school, I slowed down to allow another driver to change lanes in front of my car just ahead of a traffic light.  My courteous driving etiquette utterly annoyed my daughter, who politely said, “Dad, why did you slow down and let that car over?”

I replied, “Because there is a line of traffic behind us, and the person in that car was signaling that they needed over.”

She rudely exclaimed, “Mom would never have let that guy cut in front of her. You’re just stupid!”

I quietly thought to myself, “Kid, you just lost your chance at getting a driver’s license this summer.”

 

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Break_Point wrote:

She rudely exclaimed, “Mom would never have let that guy cut in front of her. You’re just stupid!”

“There’s a reason why your mother’s insurance is so much more expensive than mine, dear.”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I know this is an old used up expression but do you know how I know if a woman is lying? Because her lips are moving.

Do you tell the dog the truth or do you just order it around. Sit, stay, go, come. You might even talk to it. Your a good dog, look at how well you listen or your a bad dog. Come over here and let me rub your nose in your bad deed and wack you on the but.

Women share only 85% of the genes with men and women have always, always, felt that they own the future because they birth the babies.

They literally think they are the master race because they give rise to the next generation and are skilled at manipulating these offspring though violence and emotional abuse. Think I’m exaggerating? Women are incarcerated for hitting children at an 80% increase rate over men.

Women see us as above pack mules but below the family dog.

H.R.PufNStuf Just said a mouthful.

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@break_point

Break_Point wrote:

This morning, as I was driving my 18 year old daughter to high-school, I slowed down to allow another driver to change lanes in front of my car just ahead of a traffic light.  My courteous driving etiquette utterly annoyed my daughter, who politely said, “Dad, why did you slow down and let that car over?”

I replied, “Because there is a line of traffic behind us, and the person in that car was signaling that they needed over.”

She rudely exclaimed, “Mom would never have let that guy cut in front of her. You’re just stupid!”

wow.

Only 18, no driver’s license, and she already has a blackbelt in road-rage.

Wait until she learns: “Driving is not a RIGHT. It’s a PRIVILEGE”.

But then again, since she’s female, you’ve got your work cut out for you there.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[….Participant 305]

@break_point  She said”You’re just stupid”… please tell me you didn’t let that slide .. if I said something like that to my old man ..I’d still be dead…I’m not one who usually gives parenting advice but rude little princess’ are a pet peeve of mine…I would have stopped the car and quickly make it clear to her in no uncertain terms that  is a misconception on her part and let her walk the rest of the way to school to let it sink in. To say nothing just validates her statement and she will continue to treat you as such.

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

…. wrote:

She said”You’re just stupid”

1. Pull over.

2. Stare her down, and say “APOLOGIZE FOR DISRESPECTING ME.”

3. Make her walk to school the rest of the way.

4. The next time she asks for a ride to school , tell her. “Ask me next week.”

 

 

 

[RedPillDETOXSpectator 24]

Break_Point wrote:

You’re just stupid!

Should have shown her the f~~~ing door. Kick her out of the house!!!!!

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